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  #41  
September 23rd, 2011, 01:59 PM
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I don't know how it is in Cali, but where I live it's not just a simple piece of paper. In a medical exemption the parent has to get the Doctor to sign saying the child has a medical reason not to get the vaccination. In a religious exemption the parent has to get a religious official to sign the form saying that for religious reasons they do not vaccinate. Not every parent doesn't vaccinate because of those two reasons, and not everyone can get someone to sign the exemption. It's not that easy peasy. With ds1 I could do a medical exemption, but with ds2? I haven't vaccinated him at all because of what happened with ds1 so I can't claim medical reasons for ds2. We also do not attend church so no one would sign a religious exemption. But we homeschool, so we don't have to deal with that anyways.


Or maybe it's not that simple? Maybe they had to get someone else sign it like I said above on how it works here. But I don't know how it works there so I cannot say if it's that easy or not. Maybe they felt like they didn't need to sign a form since they already know if they are vaccinated or not. Maybe they had other philisophical reasons. Doesn't mean they were lazy. Assumptions get a person no where.
If you had read the previous posts, you would know how it is in Cali. You would know that a doctor or religious official doesn't have to sign off. You would know that philosophical reasons are a valid reason to sign the exemption. All they had to do was sign the exemption. That's it. One signature.


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Yes, my goodness, I've stated 3 times now that I go to the Doctor which means they do a test to see if I have it or not. Why else would I go to a Doctor? They don't just listen to my breathing and coughing and say "yup you got whooping cough". They do a swab everytime I suspect I have it due to the horrible coughing that makes me barf, or cough for hours on end before it stops for awhile. I don't go to the same Doctor every single time, in fact, I rarely see the same Doctor twice. Please read what I've already said. I have no idea if the Doctor does it or not.

Well, yes, actually, I did think that you might have gone to the doctor and were told it was whooping cough without lab confirmation. I thought that because I asked three times if you had lab confirmation by nasal culture/PCR of pertussis, and this was the first time that you actually addressed the question.

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Considering immunity to pertussis after natural infection lasts from 7-20 years, it is quite unusual for one to be getting it so frequently, particularly when repeat infections generally don't resemble a clinical case of pertussis. Has your doctor suggested seeing an immunologist to figure out why your antibodies are waning so quickly?
If, in fact, Jen has proven whooping cough every year, I second Cori's suggestion that she get to the bottom of why.

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Why are we assuming that these little snowflakes are the non-vaxed kids? I am putting my money on most of them actually being the kids who HAVE been vaccinated, and their parents are too lazy to send in the forms. Everyone I know who doesn't vax is very proactive in making sure that they have all their forms filled out and turned in correctly. And yes, having 4-5 months to get a form turned into the school and just "not getting around to it" IS lazy!!
Excellent point Tiffany!
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September 24th, 2011, 03:41 PM
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I don't get it. If YOUR kid isn't vaccinated and MINE is, then MINE will be more likely not toget a certain disease and YOURS might (and then build a natural immunity. Example: Chicken Pox). Why would it matter to ME the vaccinating mom? I think the risk would be more to the Non-Vaccinating mother's kids, not my kids, although there is always a risk that my child COULD get something anyway. So I suppose pulling them out of school is silly. Furthermore, many viruses present much before symptoms, so....YOUR KID IS EXPOSED before anyone even knows it! It would just be much easier for parents (when child is still in contagious period with fever or rash) to keep their kids home on their own to prevent FURTHER spread of illness (again, this is just a #'s thing. If a kid went to school and sneezed on Johnny, Johnny's already exposed. But if he goes to school the next day (sick) and sneezes on Noah, then now there are more exposures and that's unnecessary).

As far as exemption forms: Whether you vaccinate or not, you, the parent, are responsible for knowing what the schools require. If you are not going to vaccinate, how hard is it to call the school, get the form, get a signature and turn back in? We who do vaccinate do have to do all that AND get our kids to the doctor and get them their shots and yet we do it.

If a parent fails to provide proper documentation so that the school can be in compliance with the laws (i.e. have paperwork as required in each child's files), then the PARENT should pay for that. Maybe instead of pulling kids out of school (i.e. punishing the kid) there could be a fee for not bringing the required items within the 30 day time limit allowed by law.

I know people want to blame the school system, but really, it's state laws. You either have to have the scheduled vaccines OR an exemption. That's just life. I say everyone should quittheir*****in and actually just do what they need to do.
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September 25th, 2011, 06:52 AM
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If you had read the previous posts, you would know how it is in Cali. You would know that a doctor or religious official doesn't have to sign off. You would know that philosophical reasons are a valid reason to sign the exemption. All they had to do was sign the exemption. That's it. One signature.


No, I wouldn't have known how it is in Cali since no one said they were in Cali to actually say how it is.


Well, yes, actually, I did think that you might have gone to the doctor and were told it was whooping cough without lab confirmation. I thought that because I asked three times if you had lab confirmation by nasal culture/PCR of pertussis, and this was the first time that you actually addressed the question.

I said yes 3 times and then I said yes, I went to the Doctor. The first yes in every answer was "Yes they checked". I've never been to a Doctor that just looked at me and diagnosed me. I always get real procedures done to see what is wrong.

If, in fact, Jen has proven whooping cough every year, I second Cori's suggestion that she get to the bottom of why.

I really don't care why I get it *almost* yearly, as I stated I do not get it every single year. I get it, it gets treated, I'm healthy other than when I get sick which isn't every year. I know other people who get it often as well (or so they say, I cannot comfirm that), so I honestly don't really care why I get it. I feel about it the same way I and some feel about the flu. Some get it all the time, some rarely or never get it. Those who I know get it almost yearly don't care why they get it. They get it, they deal with it, they get healthy, that's that. (I rarely get the flu BTW, and I never get the flu shot).

Excellent point Tiffany!
I replied in red. I really don't see the need to keep pestering me about something I've already said 3 times now.

I also wanted to say that I really don't care if parents sign a form or not. I just felt like it wouldnt' be a debate without someone opposing it and no one else was (and I actually had time for once to be more active in a debate). However, I am still highly annoyed with the attitude towards non-vaxers since I am one. A lot of my posts, prior to really talking about the exemption forms, were directed at the attitude I've seen online and in real life towards those of us who do not feel vaccinations are in the best interest of our children.
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September 25th, 2011, 07:24 AM
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No, I wouldn't have known how it is in Cali since no one said they were in Cali to actually say how it is.
Read post #3 and #15 that states how it is in Cali

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I said yes 3 times and then I said yes, I went to the Doctor. The first yes in every answer was "Yes they checked". I've never been to a Doctor that just looked at me and diagnosed me. I always get real procedures done to see what is wrong.
"Yes they checked" could mean anything, including they checked you lungs. I wanted to know if they did the nasal swabs. I still doubt that you've had it almost yearly.
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September 25th, 2011, 07:54 AM
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No, I wouldn't have known how it is in Cali since no one said they were in Cali to actually say how it is.



Its been posted three times how it is in Cali. In post #3 and post #37 post a quote from the ca.gov site. You can exempt your child for personal reasons.
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Your child may be exempted from some or all immunizations by a doctor because of a medical condition.
Your child may be exempted by you because of your personal or religious beliefs. Ask your school or child
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September 25th, 2011, 08:48 AM
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I get a cough bad enough to choke and throw up yearly too... its called chronic bronchitis.. just saying..

DD#1 had whooping cough when she was a month old, contracted from an unvaccinated child who was hospitalized for it. It was horrible. I would never want another parent going through that. That was one of her many extended hospital stays. They had to make a report and everything. She was isolated completely so that it wouldn't spread.

I know the child was unvaccinated because his mother was crying to a few of the other moms (including me) that she didn't think it would be that bad and thats why she didn't vaccinate him. He was still in the hospital when we left
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I really don't see the problem Jenn (mommabee), no one is saying "vax the kids" they're just saying sign the form or face the consequences. In this case, kids can't go to class.

the tdap booster is one of the few we aren't challenging with my immigration (I founds a loophole lol) because of what would happen to ME if I got the virus. I can barely breathe with a basic infection, that cough would have me blue in the face in 30 seconds and I'd be passed out.
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September 25th, 2011, 07:02 PM
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Mommabee, I am neither believing or disbelieving your story about being diagnosed with pertussis every year, but I do know that doctors are required by law to report cases to the cdc - you've been reported in the database every year?
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