[Tammyjh]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Baby

DHS says if you have more than a certain amount of guns, food, ammo, etc, you can be considered a potential terrorists. Don't fool yourself into thinking this could never effect you or your family. (Not YOU, but general you)


This is how Nazi Germany started. Little by little, they took the citizens rights and the rest is history. History repeats itself.

I haven't checked this one out yet but I do remember back in 2009 when there was some profiling on those who had Ron Paul bumper stickers on their vehicles as potential domestic terrorists.
Missouri Information Analysis Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The MIAC was relatively unknown until March 13, 2009, when a leaked report entitled "The Modern Militia Movement," originating from MIAC, appeared on Wikileaks. Subsequent investigation was spearheaded by the Liberty Restoration Project out of Kansas City, Missouri. The report detailed trends in militia and terrorist activity in Missouri and described common symbols and media associated with militia members and domestic terrorists, in order to help police identify them. The report as leaked included suggestions that political bumper stickers such as those for U.S. Rep. Ron Paul could be used to identify militia members and terrorists.[2] The authenticity of the report was confirmed by Lt. John Hotz, the Assistant Director of the Public Information and Education Division of the Missouri State Highway Patrol, who claims that the report is derived purely from publicly available trend data on militias.[1]
As of MARCH 27, 2009 the entire report was scrapped and letters of apology were sent to Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin.[3] Legislation was passed in Missouri which included an amendment to cut funding to the MIAC should it again engage in political profiling, and the director of the MIAC was reassigned.

[NatureLovinMama]

Omg, I can't even type a correct response because it will be too long and go on so many tangets.

I'll only say that I do not agree with it at ALL. It may have been in place in the govt for years, but bet your bottom dollar they'll start using this bill...

[My2miracles]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Baby

DHS says if you have more than a certain amount of guns, food, ammo, etc, you can be considered a potential terrorists. Don't fool yourself into thinking this could never effect you or your family. (Not YOU, but general you)


This is how Nazi Germany started. Little by little, they took the citizens rights and the rest is history. History repeats itself.

The vast majority of Americans don't have volumes of guns, food & ammo. If they do then I'd be worried about them too unless they own a gun shop combined with a restaurant.

Nazi Germany was a dictatorship not a democracy. There are check & balances to prevent such things from happening in the US. However, those same protections allow things like 9/11 to happen.

[Fluffy Baby]

Really, checks and balances with a law that says you can be indefinately detained as an American citizen? No lawyer, no trial, no nothing.

I am one of those people stockpiling, because I believe in taking care of my own. I will be one of the ones people without guns run to so they can buy something to protect their family if something ever goes down. My guns and locked away and not hurting or plotting anything.

You can hate that crazies stockpile guns but before you know it, they will be illegal or some mess and I am not risking that. Tryannical governments have guns, why can't the people? It is OUR SECOND ADMENDMENT. You would be surprised about who you know in your life that has a stockpile. People that stockpile do not usually advertise to people in their life. They don't want to share. They don't want people that are not prepared to come to them. My IRL friends and family don't know about my stockpile of guns, ammo and food. They didn't prepare, they can deal with the consequences.

Letting the government take all your rights is ok with you, not me. You live in America where our second admendment guarentees the right to bear arms and form a militia, but the government says you are terrorists then.

I stand by the constitution, NOT the government. And if it came to it, I would rather die than be a slave.

Originally Posted by NatureLovinMama

Omg, I can't even type a correct response because it will be too long and go on so many tangets.

I'll only say that I do not agree with it at ALL. It may have been in place in the govt for years, but bet your bottom dollar they'll start using this bill...

Yep. Look at the abuse of power already.

[BittyBugsMama]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Baby

Really, checks and balances with a law that says you can be indefinately detained as an American citizen? No lawyer, no trial, no nothing.

I am one of those people stockpiling, because I believe in taking care of my own. I will be one of the ones people without guns run to so they can buy something to protect their family if something ever goes down. My guns and locked away and not hurting or plotting anything.

You can hate that crazies stockpile guns but before you know it, they will be illegal or some mess and I am not risking that. Tryannical governments have guns, why can't the people? It is OUR SECOND ADMENDMENT. You would be surprised about who you know in your life that has a stockpile. People that stockpile do not usually advertise to people in their life. They don't want to share. They don't want people that are not prepared to come to them. My IRL friends and family don't know about my stockpile of guns, ammo and food. They didn't prepare, they can deal with the consequences.

Letting the government take all your rights is ok with you, not me. You live in America where our second admendment guarentees the right to bear arms and form a militia, but the government says you are terrorists then.

I stand by the constitution, NOT the government. And if it came to it, I would rather die than be a slave.



Yep. Look at the abuse of power already.

We are also preppers and we also do not tell our family / friends for the same reason. I am a full supporter of the second amendment but I disagree with you that we are labeled terrorists. Unless you are talking a prepping at the level of say, Waco, was then I can see how you are coming to the terrorist conclusion. Don't agree with it but I understand how you'd get there.

[angelsailor288]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Baby

I am one of those people stockpiling, because I believe in taking care of my own. I will be one of the ones people without guns run to so they can buy something to protect their family if something ever goes down. My guns and locked away and not hurting or plotting anything.

We too, are stockpiling. I am honestly very afraid of where our country is heading... we will be ready with our supply of guns and food. I mean, right now our guns are used for hunting lol but for protection someday too I suppose.

I stand by the constitution, NOT the government. And if it came to it, I would rather die than be a slave.

Amen to that

[foxfire_ga79]

Thanks, ladies, for letting me know who to IM in a crisis when I run out of ammo. lol
I know some other fellow stock pilers, and none are particularly open about it. Kinda like how people flock to Walmart the day before a hurricane, so not what I expect my house to become.
But more than stock piling, my main goal is to learn how to be self sufficient. Eventually my Chef Bouyardee is going to run out.

[BittyBugsMama]

Originally Posted by foxfire_ga79

Thanks, ladies, for letting me know who to IM in a crisis when I run out of ammo. lol
I know some other fellow stock pilers, and none are particularly open about it. Kinda like how people flock to Walmart the day before a hurricane, so not what I expect my house to become.
But more than stock piling, my main goal is to learn how to be self sufficient. Eventually my Chef Bouyardee is going to run out.

You are lucky enough to live in an area that stays relatively warm for most of the year... We have to grow enough to get us through a year, 6 months of the year while we are unable to grow. Annoying!

[Lash]

So in essence, if I want to live off the grid and make sure I have enough food to make it through a winter (which lists for about 3 days here in Texas), I could be detained. I can see how scary I appear on most days of course, but not based on the amount of cheese stockpiled in my freezer. I sure do love me some cheese.

[L-SBB]

Originally Posted by BittyBugsMama

But the Bush administration had the same law? Why is it a problem now? From what I've been reading, this law has been reenacted for something like 50 years.... I'm kinda confused about the whole thing. Can anybody help me out here?

NDAA | American Civil Liberties Union Blog of Rights: Official Blog of the American Civil Liberties Union

Bush administration didn't have the same law, rather they simply decided post-9/11 to begin detaining people if they suspected they were engaged in terrorist (or terrorist like activities, and eventually this grew much broader into anyone they felt posed a potential threat)....and it took awhile for the public to notice that a few of those people were U.S. citizens and that they were being held for years without a trial in military prisons. The notable one who petitioned for writ of habeas corpus and brought attention to the issue was Jose Padilla...eventually (years later) the govt under a lot of public pressure transfered him to a federal prison and he got his trial (he was convicted and i think now in some appeal process). The Bush admin believed they had the right to detain anyone they labeled as an "enemy combatant", but that wasn't based in a specific provision of a law, such as NDAA.

It's actually really ironic to me that the Obama administration, which has gone to lengths to repudiate the Bush administration's use of enemy combatant concept for indefinite detainment would then go further than the Bush administration ever hoped to in actually codifying it into law. Go figure

While I'd like to think the NDAA will be overturned as unconstitutional, we haven't seen a great track record on most civil liberty issues - especially involving criminal/suspected criminal activity - from the SC over the past 30 years.

And for our Ron Paul supporters, this commentary (If America Is the Battleground, Nobody Has Any Rights | Gene Healy | Cato Institute: Commentary) points out:

But Congress can clarify the issue itself. Paul has joined 12 of his colleagues in backing the "Due Process Guarantee Act of 2011," which insists that congressional authorization for a war "shall not authorize the detention without charge or trial of a citizen... apprehended in the United States, unless an Act of Congress expressly authorizes such detention."

Here's hoping this gets some support in 2012...

[Tammyjh]

Originally Posted by Lash

So in essence, if I want to live off the grid and make sure I have enough food to make it through a winter (which lists for about 3 days here in Texas), I could be detained. I can see how scary I appear on most days of course, but not based on the amount of cheese stockpiled in my freezer. I sure do love me some cheese.

As long as you don't have a Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, or the Gadsen Flag bumper sticker on your vehicle, you should be okay.

[foxfire_ga79]

Originally Posted by Tammyjh

As long as you don't have a Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, or the Gadsen Flag bumper sticker on your vehicle, you should be okay.

She has no room left on her car after all the Twilight stickers.
(Sorry, just had to! lol)

[foxfire_ga79]

Originally Posted by BittyBugsMama

You are lucky enough to live in an area that stays relatively warm for most of the year... We have to grow enough to get us through a year, 6 months of the year while we are unable to grow. Annoying!

All the good weather in the world hasn't helped me so far. I've killed just about every plant I've ever touched. My so called harvests have thus far been nowhere near what real farmers/gardeners can get.
But hey, at least I've got purdy chickens!

[Lash]

Originally Posted by foxfire_ga79

She has no room left on her car after all the Twilight stickers.
(Sorry, just had to! lol)

[NatureLovinMama]

Originally Posted by Lash

So in essence, if I want to live off the grid and make sure I have enough food to make it through a winter (which lists for about 3 days here in Texas), I could be detained. I can see how scary I appear on most days of course, but not based on the amount of cheese stockpiled in my freezer. I sure do love me some cheese.

Yes, which poses an issue for me, as we're going off-grid/ homesteading this year. We've already moved out of our house and live in the RV we're going to build onto. We're just finding land right now.

Originally Posted by Tammyjh

As long as you don't have a Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin, or the Gadsen Flag bumper sticker on your vehicle, you should be okay.

And we love Ron Paul, so I guess that makes us a double target! It's funny you say this, because I was thinking to myself how awesome (hilarious really) it would be to paint the American Flag w/ a pic of RP on it on the outside of the RV We'd never do it, but I thought it was funny...