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  #1  
January 4th, 2012, 05:37 AM
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Giving Teens a Daytime Curfew is Un-American | The Stir

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In fact, thanks to a daytime curfew that went into effect on January 2, police in In Covington, Kentucky, are now legally allowed to arrest kids who are found "truant" (i.e., not in school during school hours). Once apprehended, cops have the option of taking a kid back to school, returning him to the custody of his parents, slapping the kid (and possibly the parents) with a court date, and/or charging the kid (and, again, possibly the parents) with a misdemeanor.

Do you agree or disagree with day time curfews for teens? Why or why not?

Does this overstep parents' rights and responsibilities?
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January 4th, 2012, 05:57 AM
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I personally believe all govt mandated curfews (day or night) are pointless...punishes/restricts the kids otherwise doing nothing wrong, while the kids it's targeting aren't necessarily deterred and violate it anyway.

With finite police resources available, I'm more concerned they catch serious criminals than chase teenages breaking curfew.
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January 4th, 2012, 06:48 AM
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Had to go look for an unbiased news article and found this one so far.
Covington Imposes Daytime Curfew On Students - Cincinnati News Story - WLWT Cincinnati
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The curfew lasts from 8 a.m. to 3 p.m., but police may use their discretion. Officers may also return truants to school instead of using police resources to watch over them until their guardians pick them up.


While I would like to see more teens stay in school, I don't know as a daytime curfew is the way to go. And the bolded below made me
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"I think it's excellent," said parent Crystal Young. "I think they need to enforce it more. I think it needs to be earlier than the hours right now. I think they need to come in early early, stay later; later, actually, I think they need to do it until they're 21."


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January 4th, 2012, 06:54 AM
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I have to agree with the PP. I kind of see it as a redundant and poor use of resources. There are so many reasons for a high school student to be out of school during the day, even without a parent. What if they go to a private school that is not in session at the time (my brother went to private school, and I went to public school, and his calendar was very different from mine)? What if they had a doctor's appointment and stopped at the store or a restaurant or wherever on their way back to school? What if they were sick and had to run up to grab something (medicine, food, etc.)? Especially in high school, when a kid can drive himself places, he may be by himself all day if he is home sick, or may have to drive himself to a doctor's appointment.

Also, what if the teenager is home schooled? I know a number of homeschooled high school students who do their work at times outside of "normal" school hours to take advantage of other day time opportunitites (work, volunteering, etc.) or even may be out somewhere as part of their home school cirriculum.

I would imagine the law would have to have certain exceptions, but the amount of time and energy it would take for the police officer to determine which teenagers had a "reasonable" excuse for being out of school would be pretty significant. Or, it would be a huge hassle for the parents required to take their kids/themselves to court to present these reasons. Whomever the burden falls on (parents, police, courts), it ends up being overly large.

Additionally, there is already a system of "checks" in place in most schools. Teachers take attendance, and the school office calls the parents if the student is absent without notification. I'm sure there are students who get around it and parents who don't really care, but enforcing a daytime curfew won't make the parents care (unless they are liberally enforcing a fine on the parents) and will probably only make students "hide" better when they skip. I just really see the negative consqeuences outweighing the positive.
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While I would like to see more teens stay in school, I don't know as a daytime curfew is the way to go. And the bolded below made me
That makes me too...I don't understand how we expect children & teens to develop the skills to become responsible citizens as adults when we treat them like criminals & restrict them so relentlessly (not just in curfews, but generally). Why not just declare them children until they're 30?
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Aren't there already truancy officers? If I were a parent to one of the kids getting caught, I'd be annoyed by it but it most likely wouldn't affect me so not anything that I'd be overly concerned with. Now if one of my kids happened to be caught skipping school, they'd better be praying to someone / something that the worst punishment they get is the ticket.
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I remember having something like this when I was in high school. I hated it because these cops would harass some of us who were legally out of school already, didn't have to be in class yet, or were already done with classes for the day. Even once you were able to prove to them that you didn't have to be in class, they still wanted to be aholes.
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Yeah, I'd like to see kids stop skipping classes... but this would be a major waste of resources. IF they're so much under budget I'm sure there are other places that could use the funds with in the department.
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When I was in school there wasn't a real person that called home unless you missed A LOT of school. If you skipped one class there was an automated call home, that was easily intercepted.

I think it's the responsibility of the parent to make sure their kid goes to school. Until they're 18, not 21. That's just crazy. If a curfew like that were in effect when I had graduated I would have been arrested all the time! I went to work immediately full time after I graduated, and I had a kid, so what would I have done? Scheduled everything after 3:00 so that my mommy didn't have to take me to appointments and work? lol
IF the parents can't do anything about the child being constantly truant, THEN there should be something set up with police/truancy officers.
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Holy crap I just saw that until 21 suggestion. I was already working for the board of ed by that age and had a 2 year old in the middle of a divorce. That's just asinine. Logic like that makes no sense to me. At 18 we can vote, join the military, drive without restrictions. Yet we should be under a curfew? Boggles my mind.
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January 4th, 2012, 12:17 PM
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LOL, I was married at 21!

Ridiculous waste of resources. Truancy is a school and parent problem, not a police problem. There are plenty of legitimate reasons for a kid to not be in school between those hours. Heck, my last year of high school I was technically a part time student because I didn't need that many more credits. Every other day I only had 2 classes.
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We had this growing up, but not exactly this way. In my town during school hours you had to be on the school zone. If you were off the school zone (getting outside lunch, going to the Doctor/Dentist, going home early with permission of parent, going home because you're sick, etc) you had a pass to leave the school zone. There was only 1 police officer for the whole town working during the day, and he didn't care if you were off the school zone, pass or not. Once in awhile you may be stopped and asked to show a pass and if you didn't have one he'd take you back to school or write you a $30 ticket (which could be paid off by washing all 4 squad cars after school twice). In small towns like where I grew up I could see that being ok, no harrassment or jail though. Everyone pretty much knows eachother so if they saw your kid walking around town they'd probably tell you (the parent) anyways.

I don't get why they say 21 though, most kids aren't in school at 21 (except for college) and many people are living on their own at 21. I was living on my own at 20, with my DH and planning a wedding and kids. I was also a college graduate by that time and DH was in his second degree in college. Also what would they do if the child is homeschooled? All homeschooled kids have a pass or something they'd have to walk around with to prove they aren't in the public school? Same thing with private schooled kids then I guess too. Just sounds like a waste. If a kid isn't in school and they take attendance then parents/teachers will figure out that he/she skipped school and usually that is left with detention. I'd rather my kid sit in school for an extra hour or two after class then to be put in jail until I come pick him up.
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LOL, I was married at 21!

Ridiculous waste of resources. Truancy is a school and parent problem, not a police problem. There are plenty of legitimate reasons for a kid to not be in school between those hours. Heck, my last year of high school I was technically a part time student because I didn't need that many more credits. Every other day I only had 2 classes.

haha oh yeah I was married by then too.. forgot about that. So maybe my husband would have had to pay my fines instead since he's older? LOL
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lol yeah Beth, I had 3 and was pregnant with my 4th towards the end of 21. I'd like to meet the lady who thinks "kids" need to be tracked til they are 21.
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lol yeah Beth, I had 3 and was pregnant with my 4th towards the end of 21. I'd like to meet the lady who thinks "kids" need to be tracked til they are 21.
She'll either be between bailing her youngest out of jail and taking care of her 30 year old son living in her basement or she'll be the mom picking her 4 year old up from violin lessons, taking her to bible class and then taking her to ballet class.
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How on earth would they enforce this?

First, I look VERY young, and my kids will probably too if it's genetic in any way. Do they just go up to every person that looks like a teen out on the street during the day?

second, not all school districts have the same days off. Some of ours here are only 4 day schools, others are 5 days and many have 1/2 days (Weds here) or late-starts. Furthermore, the Jr High/High school schedules even in the SAME districts have different days off and different start/end times. Are the cops going to sit there with school schedules?

Third, since it seems ridiculous to sit out and wait for students to violate the "policy" what will they do, have a roster of ever student from every school with phone #'s and call the school to "see" which kids are there? (Hey, had to make it far-fetched, because this ridiculous policy is far-fetched)

Fourth, do parents not PARENT their kids anymore? Why should police, who have more pressing things to worry about, get involved in parenting matters like this if the children are not being abused?

Fifth, Legally, one is an adult at age 18 (most states) and can be emancipated at 16 in our state. Also, parents can marry off their daughters and sons at pretty much any age and as long as the kid is married, even if minor by definition, her HUSBAND or his WIFE is then responsible for her until she's of legal age.

Sixth, where are they going to get the law enforcement? They can't pay them as it is? They would need to add more officers to even enforce this "rule".

seventh, what about students who work and go to school part-time because they met their credits, or those in AP classes or those who are graduated early?

It's time for parents to be parents NOW so that when their children are of age, they can make responsible decisions. If they're being truant from school, there's a whole other problem at home that needs to be dealt with.
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