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January 10th, 2012, 03:48 PM
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Mom Induces Labor So Newborn Can Meet Dying Sister | The Stir

"Though it was a healthy pregnancy, Holmes chose to be induced because another of her children wasn't healthy. Her 10-year-old daughter, Katy Holmes, is critically ill, and Paula wanted to make sure Scarlet met her big sister before she died."


Mom induces early so that the new baby can meet his/her dying sister. A good reason to induce?
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January 10th, 2012, 03:51 PM
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I dunno... 3 weeks is a pretty significant amount of time left in a pregnancy to intentionally take the baby out. Sounds like it was more for mom than her 10 year old. Honestly though, I have to think this one over a while longer.
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January 10th, 2012, 04:19 PM
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I'm assuming they did testing for lung maturity before induction. I honestly can't think of a better reason for a non medically necessary induction than to give this family whatever time they have left to spend together.

These are moments the dying child would NEVER have a chance for without the induction.
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January 10th, 2012, 04:25 PM
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Team Jaime. I think it's beautiful that those sisters got to meet, even if only briefly. I know that's not ideal for the infant, but neither is the death of an older sibling. Their moments together were precious.
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January 10th, 2012, 05:10 PM
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I think she was far enough into her pregnancy to safely delivery baby Scarlett. I'd like to think that if the baby wasn't ready to deliver, the mother would NOT have risked her life for the other child.
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I think if testing was done to make sure the baby's lungs were matured then it is very touching and something I would want done for my dying child. If anything could comfort her then I would try to make it happen.
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January 10th, 2012, 05:25 PM
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I'm on the fence. I totally understand wanting big sister to meet baby before her time is up. But I personally don't think babies should be delivered early without medical reason. There are risks, long and short term, of early induction. You can't really tell if a baby is ready via ultrasound. Lungs are not the only thing, and babies grow the most in the last week or two.
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January 10th, 2012, 05:41 PM
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Honestly though how much healthier would the baby be inside of a grieving mother during those last few weeks?
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January 10th, 2012, 05:53 PM
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Well it doesn't say how early this baby was. If the baby was 39 weeks or beyond that, then that's different. But if baby was born prior to that, then I do see a problem with that. We don't know the risks that this baby will have later on due to being born before she was ready. No matter what is happening to the parents on the outside world, it is still best for baby to stay in atleast until 39 weeks.

Why at least 39 weeks is best for your baby | Pregnancy | March of Dimes
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I cried! I agree with the mother, and I could do the same in the same situation.
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January 10th, 2012, 06:05 PM
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I agree with everyone else and I support mom's decision.

Paula Holmes, Mother, Had Baby Delivered Early To Meet Dying Sister
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The parents have been told to say goodbye to their daughter three different times already. Currently, with her brain tumor embedded in the brain stem, doctors are giving Katy only another six or nine months to live.
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January 10th, 2012, 06:13 PM
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But stress has it own set of complications

Stress & Pregnancy, Fetal Affects, on MedicineNet.com

Stress During Pregnancy Has Detrimental Effect On Offspring

Stress in Pregnancy May Make Kids Vulnerable to Stress

Pregnancy stress 'almost doubles the risk of stillbirth' | Mail Online

Neither option is without risk. The benefit of my child meeting their sibling before they died would add tenfold to my decision making.
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January 10th, 2012, 06:15 PM
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Well it doesn't say how early this baby was. If the baby was 39 weeks or beyond that, then that's different. But if baby was born prior to that, then I do see a problem with that. We don't know the risks that this baby will have later on due to being born before she was ready. No matter what is happening to the parents on the outside world, it is still best for baby to stay in atleast until 39 weeks.

Why at least 39 weeks is best for your baby | Pregnancy | March of Dimes
Why Women Should Wait Until 39 Weeks to Give Birth - The Top 10 Everything of 2011 - TIME
Doctors To Pregnant Women: Wait At Least 39 Weeks : NPR
Babies born one week early at risk of serious health problems | Mail Online
I'm assuming it means 37 weeks. When the average person talks about a pregnancy it's 40 weeks, 42 would be "overdue" They delivered 3 weeks early, at 37 weeks.... which is a time that many many women go naturally. If she'd have gone any sooner I'd not be ok with it.. but this isn't your usual case she didn't want to be done with the pregnancy, but since her daughter had been very attached to the pregnancy, getting to see the baby even once, is worth it.
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January 10th, 2012, 06:27 PM
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I don't think being born early is any benefit to the baby.

37 weeks isn't considered full term, that is a myth that gets thrown around a lot and most people don't understand full term. Full term is actually calculated between 38 weeks to 42 weeks (it use to be 37 weeks, but it changed a few years ago), with 40 weeks being term. The first 2 weeks of pregnancy you aren't pregnant, that's 2 weeks pre-conception because you go by the date of your last menstrual period. Babies born between 37 weeks and 39 weeks are considered to be "late preemies" and they are at risk for problems that a typical 40-41 weeker aren't. The reason why there is a buffer of 2 weeks before and after 40 weeks is because majority of women don't know when they concieved. So if you gave birth calculated at 38 weeks you could actually be 40 weeks, and if you gave birth calculated at 42 weeks you could actually be 40 weeks. This is where the 38-42 comes from, it doesn't acutally mean that you're full term starting at 38 weeks until 42 weeks. Most women give birth around 39 weeks to 41 weeks. I don't know where you've gotten your stats of many many women give birth at 37 weeks. Many many women who give birth at 37 weeks here is because of complications like pre-eclampsia or gestational diabetes.
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I agree with pretty much everyone else. How healthy would it be for a baby to be dealing with it's mothers stress internally? Yes, having a true "full term" baby is best however I think that the risks are much lower at 37 weeks then say 34 weeks.

I can relate to this a little bit... DH was deployed when I was due with DS. They released him for the holidays which in itself was a flippin miracle and since DS was due Christmas Eve I had a pretty good chance of DH being there when Gabe was being born. I also of course know that babies rarely come on their due date and as the days passed... and no sign of baby I developed such a crippling anxiety that he'd have to go back and miss it and i'd be alone (we dont live near any family) .... 4 days after EDD I decided to induce with the blessing of my Doula as we tried to be as minimally invasive as possible. Now, if my DH were DYING!! you bet your sweet arse wild horses couldn't convince me to wait! I can't even imagine being put in that awful situation.
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According to this article: Baby dilemma in fight for Katy - Health - lep.co.uk, the baby is 4 weeks old and the older sister is still living. I can't imagine ever going through a situation like this but I can't imagine having a baby 3 weeks early and putting the baby at risk for life long complications. The baby won't remember meeting her sister and it sort of seems selfish to me that the parents forced the baby out before she was ready. This falls in the category of having another baby to save an older child...sacrificing the baby for the good of an older sibling and that stuff makes me very uncomfortable.
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Team Jamie with this one too. I probably would have done the same thing. Thankfully, the older sister is still alive, but if the baby is only 4 weeks old, and was delivered 3 weeks early, that means that they would have only had this one week so far. Yes, this isn't for the baby, but it is for the sister and the mother to have her kids know each other, even if only for a short while.
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Given the circumstances, where the mom was already losing a child, I doubt she would have induced if the dr's told her that she was posing a great risk to her unborn infant.

So in *THIS* case where the baby was pretty much AT term, I see no issue with the induction so that her first child had a chance to meet her sister.

FTR: Our OB still considers 37 weeks to be "at term". They will not try to stop labor and they do not record it as a premature birth.
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In this case the last thing this family needs is other people putting down their choices. I see nothing wrong with their choice given the situation. They are dealing with something no parent should ever have to deal with and peolple need to back off now and let them enjoy what time they have with their daughter and that child to enjoy her baby sister while she can.
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January 11th, 2012, 06:57 AM
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Not stopping labor doesn't mean the baby won't have problems or you're full term. The hospital here doesn't stop labor at like 35 weeks + 5 days. The reason why they don't try to stop labor is because a lot of times the medication doesn't work as well past a certain point.

Like I said. I'm on the fence. I understand why they did it, but it just doesn't sit well with me since research shows that babies that come before they are ready have complications *later in life* which cannot be detected prior to birth. I don't know fully what I'd do, but it's unlikely I'd have baby early. I've seen way too many babies born prior to 39 weeks that had problems at birth and later on. Many things cannot be detected before birth, so really, this was a shot in the dark other than seeing if lungs were mature, which they most likely weren't so she probably had steroid injections.
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