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  #21  
February 2nd, 2012, 11:41 AM
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I'm not really sure what your example has to do with this. I don't find it insulting to see a man(don't care if he's an athlete, a doctor, or a hobo, personally, I care even less about how he looks) discussing heart disease in women. As long as the info he is providing is factual, why would it be insulting? Not like he's saying he's a woman with heart disease for crying out loud, lol. But you have proven exactly why the nitwits of the world so often win.
It's insulting because he's an uneducated athlete who I assume some women find attractive. Some group chose him to be their spokesman because they knew some nitwit women would listen to him. It's insulting to me - a non-nitwit that this idiot is reading lines fed to him because some marketing person figured I'd listen to him because he's a celebrity because I'm too stupid to be able to listen to someone with actual credentials.

I'm going to take the high road here & assume you didn't intend that to be read that I am a nitwit. It's not necessary when you can't understand a person's point to insult them but understandable when you have nothing else.
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February 2nd, 2012, 12:19 PM
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Why is the athlete automatically uneducated? Not all of them are uneducated. A lot of them went to college and actually finished their degrees before going pro. That's a mighty big assumption there.
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February 2nd, 2012, 02:29 PM
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It's insulting because he's an uneducated athlete who I assume some women find attractive. Some group chose him to be their spokesman because they knew some nitwit women would listen to him. It's insulting to me - a non-nitwit that this idiot is reading lines fed to him because some marketing person figured I'd listen to him because he's a celebrity because I'm too stupid to be able to listen to someone with actual credentials.

I'm going to take the high road here & assume you didn't intend that to be read that I am a nitwit. It's not necessary when you can't understand a person's point to insult them but understandable when you have nothing else.
Of course he's reading lines. That's somewhat obvious. Why are so you fixated on the fact that he's a man, and a n athlete? The focal point should be the information he's giving. If it's factual, you shouldn't find it insulting.
So what if his looks, or even popularity, appeal to some women? I sure as heck don't. Hell they could put winnie the pooh on the screen for all I care. As long as the information he's sharing is factual and can help save lives(and it can, you can't deny that fact), then there's no need to care about other aspects.
I DO find it sad that some people only listen to what some folks have to say simply because they are public figures(be it star, or whatever else). But that is a reality today. If that's what it takes to get some folks to listen, I say go for it. The info being shared is important. Do you think more women would listen if a doctor were on the screen saying it? I would like to hope so, but my better judgment knows otherwise.
Acting insulted is simply putting yourself above that person. Like you're too good for him to share important info with you, or something. That is why it comes across as you being no better than the ones who seem to need someone like him, to share this info. I didn't call you a nitwit, either. If I were going to do that, I'd do it outright. What I said was your example is proof positive of exactly why we cater to nitwits, and how they "win". Because if we didn't do that, if we didn't provide these people that the nitwits of the world are sure to listen to, we'd have even more nitwits in the world because they'd never listen otherwise. That's the sad reality.

So what if he hasn't gone through it himself. Most people who advocate for things, haven't necessarily gotten firsthand knowledge. They base what they say and/or do, on knowledge they've obtained from somewhere/someone else. I've never had breast cancer, but I still advocate for exams and doing whatever we can to help one another and promote early detection. I've never had prostate cancer, and I still advocate for men getting checked out. As a matter of fact part of our campaign this relay season is dedicated to "men with cancer" and sharing information men may either be uncomfortable with or simply not know. Do you know there is still a very large percentage of men on this planet that believe they can't possibly get breast cancer? Yeah, a lot of them are above being told by a woman how this is possible too. They find it insulting for us to advocate early detection to them. But that doesn't stop us from trying
Maybe this fella is promoting awareness on behalf of a loved one. You just never know. I don't think it should really matter though, either.

In the end, the message is far more important than the messenger, or at least it should be. When people make it about the messenger, they lessen the impact of the message and most likely, don't even actually absorb the information.
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February 2nd, 2012, 07:31 PM
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ummm no..... have no idea where you got that from
It came across pretty clear to me...

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The problem is that for decades these people were told it was a choice & they could choose not to be gay when indeed it wasn't true. Cynthia Nixon is a public figure and as such unfortunately as wrong as it is, her words hold wait to people. I can just hear some hyper religious mom telling her daughter right now "Well that actress said it's a choice. So you need to choose to be straight" For most it isn't a choice.
This whole deal is about how the gay community is reacting to her words. Since she is famous, like you said, her words hold weight to some people. Since they do, she has to watch what she says so she doesn't offend people, or in your example, make things super hard on the struggling gays. How you presented your post came across to me that to avoid all this drama, she shouldn't have said it in the first place, or said that she didn't have a choice. Which is lying.
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February 4th, 2012, 11:27 AM
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The problem is that for decades these people were told it was a choice & they could choose not to be gay when indeed it wasn't true. Cynthia Nixon is a public figure and as such unfortunately as wrong as it is, her words hold wait to people. I can just hear some hyper religious mom telling her daughter right now "Well that actress said it's a choice. So you need to choose to be straight" For most it isn't a choice.

I liken it to.... I was born with blue eyes. It wasn't a choice. I got them. Now I can go buy contacts that will change my eye color to brown. That's a choice. I can present myself as a person with brown eyes. But in reality I have blue eyes. I believe Cynthia Nixon is bi & her choice is to stick to one or another partner at different times in her life. I was born straight. I couldn't choose to be a lesbian. I just couldn't. There's nothing wrong with it but I'm just not attracted to women. But I could see how someone who has bi tendencies could make the dc
The real problem is that people have let OTHERS decide what is best for them. Who cares what Cynthia Nixon or anyone else says! What is right for her isn't always right for everyone else. If she's bi and chooses to stay with a man v a woman, than that's her choice to do that; doesn't change that's she's actually bisexual. She just chooses life one way over the other. She's still who she is. People are so dumb that they buy into everything famous people say...how about less of letting everyone else make our choices for us?
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