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  #21  
February 24th, 2012, 06:31 PM
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Pretending that Dance Moms wasn't all trash, I wouldn't condemn "toy guns". I do think the problem with real guns is that children aren't taught about them. Parents ( I see this all the time) hide the gun in a closet on the top shelf, never talking about it. That's a recipe for disaster. Does something bad happen all the time? I don't think so, but the fact that these parents are too afraid to discuss their weapons can backfire on them. If you are going to have a gun in your house, hiding it and pretending it's not there is not helping anyone. There is really no excuse to own one if not everyone in the house is taught about it at the appropriate age, what it's for, how to use it, why you have it, when it's used, etc. Like a PP said, weapons should be respected.

It all depends on the age of the kids. We don't even let our kids see our guns. Maybe at 6, we will start introducing gun safety but that all depends on how mature each kid is at the time.
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February 25th, 2012, 03:47 PM
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We don't have any toy guns in our house. I'll allow water guns and nerf guns if my kids ever want them, but that's it. I pray that Avery and Maliyah never ask to get into dance (that kind), I don't know what I'll do. Avery is in ballet but I do actually hope she doesn't want to do it when she's a pre-teen and there starts being issues with competition and body image and stuff.
Coming from the women with the highly photoshopped picture in her siggie of said child.

Not hating, because I use photoshop too, but the whole body image thing and then the message that the picture sends is just too ironic.
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February 25th, 2012, 04:23 PM
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I was also in JROTC but they never taught us anything about our riffles..actually they did...they taught us how to spin the,toss them etc LOL..

Being a mom with two dancers (my son andmy daughter) I dont see any harm in it..its a dance and you act..plus they looked fake (gold)
Yeah our unit and the whole state has quite the history with drill and marksmanship, so we learned a lot about weapons and the honor behind them. As stated, we had a kickass unit and it was an honor to work with the people I did. My Sargent recently retired from our school and I literally cried when I found out, JROTC taught me so much, even beyond the weaponry. I almost went into the Army because of it, but decided it wasn't for me. I do have a deep respect for what I learned. 1st Battalion, Honor Unit with Distinction, Go South High JROTC, HUZZAH!
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February 25th, 2012, 05:56 PM
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Coming from the women with the highly photoshopped picture in her siggie of said child.

Not hating, because I use photoshop too, but the whole body image thing and then the message that the picture sends is just too ironic.
Uhhh, I did not photoshop anything. My siggy was made by someone here. The only thing that was taken out of that photo is the background, which had other peoples children in it, and what was in her hands was replaced with the graphic. And what message does a picture of a chubby 2yr old in a ballet outfit send?!
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February 25th, 2012, 06:31 PM
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Uhhh, I did not photoshop anything. My siggy was made by someone here. The only thing that was taken out of that photo is the background, which had other peoples children in it, and what was in her hands was replaced with the graphic. And what message does a picture of a chubby 2yr old in a ballet outfit send?!
If it helps, I'm just as confused about her comment as you are.
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February 25th, 2012, 09:22 PM
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Not real sure what that jab was supposed to be about, since I believe part of the point in having a sig with your kid(s) in it, is to focus on them a bit. I could be wrong though, I guess you could have ulterior motives behind trying to point out that despite whatever issues she may endure she's a beautiful little girl, one you clearly love dearly. Mean old mom you. How dare you show off your gorgeous little girl. Terrible, for shame......you should go to bed without supper.

Aside from that...
I don't really see anything wrong with hoping your daughter(or son even) doesn't want to take part in something that honestly, does focus an awful lot on body image(good, or bad, sometimes it's hard to tell). Or even hoping that if they do enjoy those activities, those very issues won't become a problem for them at a later age. I think most parents have hopes like that(what ind of idiot parent wants their child to have body image or self esteem issues anyway?). I can honestly say that I hope my children grow up without self esteem issues, or body image issues and that I try my best to help them along in that journey. I would also prefer they shy away from activities that focus on it. But that's just a personal preference.
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February 26th, 2012, 06:31 AM
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The photo of the child on the right has clearly been enhanced in an editing program. The eyes have been enhanced and the skin has been smoothed/blurred to create a perfect looking face.
My point is that it's a bit hypocritical to not want a child to be in dance because of body image things, but yet we perfect our children with editing programs. What kind of message does that send? It wasn't a "jab" as someone above put it. My mom is a photographer and I edit photos all the time, of my own daughters as well. There may be slight differences in the two scenarios, but the message is the same: "you aren't perfect as you are, you need to look different to be the best, etc."

I really didn't think my point was that hard to understand, apparently it was lost on some.
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February 26th, 2012, 07:03 AM
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You got that from her siggy?

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February 26th, 2012, 09:17 AM
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The photo of the child on the right has clearly been enhanced in an editing program. The eyes have been enhanced and the skin has been smoothed/blurred to create a perfect looking face.
My point is that it's a bit hypocritical to not want a child to be in dance because of body image things, but yet we perfect our children with editing programs. What kind of message does that send? It wasn't a "jab" as someone above put it. My mom is a photographer and I edit photos all the time, of my own daughters as well. There may be slight differences in the two scenarios, but the message is the same: "you aren't perfect as you are, you need to look different to be the best, etc."

I really didn't think my point was that hard to understand, apparently it was lost on some.
I completely understand your point. I personally like natural looking photographs in my siggy and not the "baby doll" effect where nobody really looks like that .
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February 26th, 2012, 12:01 PM
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You got that from her siggy?

I want whatever you're smokin'.
It's the message that could be sent, same as participation in anything that focuses on body image. What is so freaking hard to grasp about that?
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February 26th, 2012, 12:56 PM
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Does your siggy send the message that your girls look better in monochrome?
Or for that matter, any of your former ones, you've admittedly photoshopped. Do they send the same message you're claiming others send?

I think it's a rather odd way to look at things, but whatever tickles your pickle man.

I know I for one don't think my kids look better in a monochrome polaroid tacked to a cork board. But, maybe that's what you see when you look at sigs. More power to ya, I guess.
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February 26th, 2012, 01:25 PM
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Does your siggy send the message that your girls look better in monochrome?
Or for that matter, any of your former ones, you've admittedly photoshopped. Do they send the same message you're claiming others send?

I think it's a rather odd way to look at things, but whatever tickles your pickle man.

I know I for one don't think my kids look better in a monochrome polaroid tacked to a cork board. But, maybe that's what you see when you look at sigs. More power to ya, I guess.

I personally think that black and white, or as you call it monochrome, provides a clarity that Color photos never can quite achieve because there's too much going on in them. Almost all of the pictures I've ever taken that have gotten attention, have been black and whites.

photos enhanced to the point they no longer resemble the real life participant give an aura of "you didn't look good enough, so someone made you better." aka negative body image projection.
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I personally think that black and white, or as you call it monochrome, provides a clarity that Color photos never can quite achieve because there's too much going on in them. Almost all of the pictures I've ever taken that have gotten attention, have been black and whites.

photos enhanced to the point they no longer resemble the real life participant give an aura of "you didn't look good enough, so someone made you better." aka negative body image projection.
Exactly. I'm glad someone is getting what I'm saying and not making it something it's not. We aren't talking about the color of a photo here. We are talking about digital enhancement of eyes and making skin flawless.
Again, I am not saying anything is wrong with it, I just find it hypocritical to point out dance when most people are guilty of altering their child to look better in some way.
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February 26th, 2012, 03:55 PM
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Maybe you shouldn't jump to any conclusions. The picture on the right in my siggy has not been altered. The siggy maker did not enhance it. It is a professional photo that was taken with a fancy schmancy camera, outside. The combination of the camera and the sun is what makes her face look so bright and her eyes shiny. The only way the photo was altered by the photographer was that she used the "soften" feature on the entire picture. Her skin was not altered in any way. So, check your facts before you jump on someone.
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February 26th, 2012, 04:29 PM
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No editing? Could you post the original then?
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There is no way those eyes aren't edited, sorry.
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Don't have it from before the softening.

Taken the same day.

Sorry my kid's pretty You can clearly see in the larger version that the "shiny" in her eyes is just the sun's reflection. You can see the trees in her eyes as well.

ETA: If the photo was edited, why didn't she get rid of the cookie crumb on her lip? Lol...
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Really? oh boy.
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