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  #41  
March 27th, 2012, 05:59 PM
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I saw the bounty but never a dead or alive, just the capture of Zimmerman. Have a link for that?
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CNN Reports ‘Black Panthers’ Offering Bounty On Trayvon Killer George Zimmerman | Mediaite

And now you have Spike Lee tweeting what he thought was Zimmerman's address but its actually the house of an elderly couple who are now afraid.
Elderly Couple In Fear Over Spike Lee Tweet | The Smoking Gun
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MARCH 27--With Twitter and Facebook continuing to explode with posts purporting to contain the address of George Zimmerman, property records and interviews reveal that the home is actually the longtime residence of a married Florida couple, both in their 70s, who have no connection to the man who killed Trayvon Martin and are now living in fear due to erroneous reports about their connection to the shooter.
The mass dissemination of the address on Edgewater Circle in Sanford--the Florida city where Martin was shot to death last month--took flight last Friday when director Spike Lee retweeted a tweet containing Zimmerman’s purported address to his 240,000 followers.
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March 27th, 2012, 06:29 PM
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i can't find it either... but according to Wikipedia it was the Orlando Sentinel that reported what Alicia had said. I cant really give it anymore time to find it tho..
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Here is another page with some more info on the threats and bounty: The New Black Panther Party is offering a $10,000 reward for a citizen's arrest of George Zimmerman in the Trayvon Martin case - latimes.com
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March 27th, 2012, 09:42 PM
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Yes, TM attack GZ after GZ followed him with a LOADED GUN while on neighborhood watch, which is illegal in FL after he was told to stand down. How was TM suppose to know that GZ was neighborhood watch? Maybe he thought GZ was a opposing gang banger or w/e. We have no idea what really happened, but regardless, GZ should be in jail for carrying a gun while on neighborhood watch duty. Why is he not in jail for that? Why was his Blood Alcohol Level not taken after the shooting? Why did he just walk when he violated the law, murder aside?

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They're told not to intervene, only to report suspicious activity," said Broward sheriff's spokeswoman Veda Coleman-Wright. "They're prohibited from carrying weapons."
Trayvon Martin: South Florida neighborhood watch volunteers told not to pursue - Sun Sentinel
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March 28th, 2012, 03:53 AM
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Yes, TM attack GZ after GZ followed him with a LOADED GUN while on neighborhood watch, which is illegal in FL after he was told to stand down. How was TM suppose to know that GZ was neighborhood watch? Maybe he thought GZ was a opposing gang banger or w/e. We have no idea what really happened, but regardless, GZ should be in jail for carrying a gun while on neighborhood watch duty. Why is he not in jail for that? Why was his Blood Alcohol Level not taken after the shooting? Why did he just walk when he violated the law, murder aside?
Yes, there are plenty of reports that Zimmerman did not stand down "before" parts of the police report started leaking out. According to Z, he was on his way back to his truck. I'm not saying that his statements are true but the fact is that neither you or I really know if he stood down or not.

As far as the neighborhood watch,
George Zimmerman not a member of recognized neighborhood watch organization
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"The alleged action of a 'self-appointed neighborhood watchman' last month in Sanford, FL significantly contradicts the principles of the Neighborhood Watch Program," NSA Executive Director Aaron D. Kennard, Sheriff (ret.) said in the press statement. "NSA has no information indicating the community where the incident occurred has ever even registered with the NSA Neighborhood Watch program."
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As Zimmerman acted as part of an unofficial group (or perhaps alone), he was free to make decisions without the benefit to his community of being vetted by police.
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March 28th, 2012, 05:02 AM
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See everywhere I read that he was apart of the neighborhood watch.

Who knows? I mean, I am not really debating over this (meaning I don't care that much), I realize we do not know the situation. I still do believe he was in the wrong then, even more so if he was not in neighborhood watch.

I would also like to know if he even had a CCW permit? I know he did time in jail, but only felons can't own guns.


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March 28th, 2012, 05:20 AM
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On the 911 tapes you can hear him mutter the slur. I believe he says K**N. Just because we have friends still doesn't negate the possibility of being a racist. There are people who will make exceptions because so and so isn't the "stereo typical" person of said race therefor they don't count. Or they have those "friends" for appearance matters only. I've seen it one too many times. It's an ugly thing really. Most of them are really in denial, but once you hear them speak, you will see how they truly feel about it.
Yup. In the video when he said "these ***** always get away" I thought he said the N word, but then in the article it says he said these a*sholes always get away. Either way, what does he mean by "these"

Also, whenever someone says they "have black friends" therefore aren't racist, my racist radar always goes up. I have known a couple of hispanic people who were very racist against black people, so him being hispanic doesn't necessarily make him not a racist.

In india there are 11 million kids in orphanages (1/3 of Canada's population) and these are all the darker skinned indians. They had to open international adoption, because the "lighter" skinned indians will have nothing to do with them, and won't adopt them. It is so sad but it seems the lighter your skin, the more you are "worth" in some places.

When I took a course called power + privilege = oppression, the first thing the teacher had us do was look up the definitions of black and white. The very definitions shed more light on racism than I ever would have thought.
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Derailing for a moment.....sorry.
Leann, I didn't think I would like Breaking Bad and it took me a while to even give the series a chance but once dh and I started watching it on Netflix, we were hooked. They have a pretty interesting cast of characters.
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Derailing for a moment.....sorry.
Leann, I didn't think I would like Breaking Bad and it took me a while to even give the series a chance but once dh and I started watching it on Netflix, we were hooked. They have a pretty interesting cast of characters.
Yeah, I didn't think I would either! It turned out to be gooooood. I found alot of series that I thought I never would watch.
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Trayvon Martin Case: Police Video Shows No Blood, Bruises On George Zimmerman After Killing

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Newly released video of George Zimmerman at the Sanford Police Department the night he shot Trayvon Martin to death show the neighborhood watch volunteer without blood on his clothing or bruises on his face or head. His clean-shaven picture seems to contrast with the violent beating he told police he endured at the hands of Martin, 17, who Zimmerman said attacked him from behind.
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Zimmerman, 28, the neighborhood watch captain at the Retreat at Twin Lakes gated community, is seen arriving in a police cruiser. He gets out of the car with his hands cuffed behind his back. Zimmerman is clean-shaven and appears several pounds lighter than in ubiquitous mug shot of him taken in 2005 when he was arrested on a charge of assaulting a police officer.
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From Fluffy Baby's article

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The funeral director who handled Martin's funeral said there were no cuts or bruises on the teen's hands that would suggest a violent struggle or fight.

“I didn’t see any evidence he had been fighting anybody,” Richard Kurtz of Roy Mizell and Kurtz Funeral Home in Fort Lauderdale, told television talk show host Nancy Grace.
so neither of them has a mark on them.. except for the fact that Martin has a bullet in his chest.

I can't figure out how the police department stood behind him with what is obviously outright lies.

I can understand them wanting enough evidence to arrest him and make a charge stick... I will be very upset if this guy never even gets arrested.
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He was arrested, but not charged. He was let go. Let's hope he gets charged.
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I agree he should be charged and such, and was in the wrong, but I dont believe its a hate crime. Just plain murder.
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This case gets more bizarre as the days go by.
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He was arrested, but not charged. He was let go. Let's hope he gets charged.
true, poor wording on my part I guess. but yes, I hope he gets charged.
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This case gets more bizarre as the days go by.
I know, right? There's just something not right. I don't know if it's racism or not, but he does seem to be getting preferential treatment from the police, and the whole broken nose and bleeding head things seems to be disproven, so why was that the story in the first place?
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Like I've been saying all along. This has gone beyond race and into just what's right and what's wrong.
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I definitely think the guy is racist, but I also think the guy would have gone after this kid whatever his race. Reports are saying that he spent an unual amount time "patrolling" the neighborhood. He sounds like a wannabe cop who was just itching to use his gun.

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This case still bothers me a lot. Not that it's the first of it's case, I just happen to have friends and family who find it to be a hot topic...so they discuss, to no end.

I said earlier in the thread the whole race thing wouldn't make much of a difference to me, one way, or the other. I still very strongly stand behind that. It really wouldn't matter to me if it WAS a racial issue, or not. Because my main focus is on what actually happened, not what we can speculate happened. We do know some things, based on the reports and obviously the 911 recordings. We do clearly know the man was told not to pursue, yet chose to ignore. We do know that this act alone can, and quite often does, escalate an event to a level it may not have reached otherwise. That was mistake number one.

That mistake, lead to all of the following actions-on both parts. Now whether or not the kid did decide to throw a punch, or not, honestly doesn't matter to me. The kid was unarmed, the man was armed. The man had leverage over the boy that the boy did not have. They boy did not initiate anything. The man started the ball rolling from the word go. ALL of the things that took place happened because of this man's actions. All of them.

Had he not gone after the boy, this would not have happened. If nothing else is clear, that one thing, very much is.

The media, politicians, people with big mouths, advocacy groups, all sorts of other kinds of groups, etc... are most definitely making this situation into a huge circus. But this is not new, they do this with, well, everything. Everything gets blown into a "what is this really about" case...everything.

What all of these others are saying, or doing, has absolutely no impact on my feelings whatsoever. I believe the man was wrong from the word go, and deserves to pay for his crimes. I believe he had absolutely no reason to shoot the boy. Even if I believe(d) the speculation that the boy punched him, it still does NOT warrant a gunshot, period. This isn't some well trained full grown man in an all out knock down fight to the death brawl. Clearly, that did not happen. So where is the cause for not only pulling out a gun, but then using it to take another person's life.

I don't actually personally care a whole lot about either person's background. I don't care if the boy was a thug, a choir boy, or somewhere in between. I don't care if the man was the pope, satan himself, or somewhere in between. None of that really matters when you actually look at the incident itself. None of it. It shouldn't matter either. But I do know why they bring up the man's past, because he has a clear(not made up, or speculated) history of acting irrationally, out of conduct and in a violent manner. So they often use that sort of thing when it comes to intent. They feel they need to know why he was following the boy to begin with. Whether it was a racist move on his part, or not, it is something people might want to understand(even if I don't really care). The man's past COULD have an effect on the choices he made that night. So it stands to reason people will want to know more about it.
The boy's past, however, has absolutely nothing to do with why a man would follow him, after being told not to, and at some point decide he simply had to shoot this young man. What exactly does the fact that this boy has been in trouble for drugs at some point, have to do with the events that took place that night? No one can answer it. But this tactic-bringing up the victim's past-is also one commonly used in courts. I understand why they do it, but I don't always agree with it. In some cases, the victim's past has absolutely no relevance to what occurred. That's how I feel about this case. It almost seems as if some people, who bring up his past(or present if that's what they'd prefer to call it) are doing so to paint the young man in a bad light. Even if they succeeded though, how on earth does that justify an armed grown man, pursuing him, and eventually taking his life? There's no justification, absolutely none.

I might feel differently if the odds were a bit more even in this incident. By that I mean, if the boy were armed, if the boy initiated the entire incident, if the man hadn't ignored officials telling him to back down, if the two were actually in a fight "to the death", if the boy were harming another individual that warranted life saving measures(on the part of the armed man, that is)...this sort of deal. But, that wasn't the case at all.

What happened is pretty clear cut. Why it happened may be foggy, but I don't think we need to know the why, in order to make the man pay for his crime. I wish people stopped worrying about the details that really don't matter and focus on what happened, and what needs to be done because of the choices that armed man chose to take that night. Either way, neither side will ever truly "win". It's yet one more preventable and unnecessary violent act to add to the pool of millions we've already seen.

There really is no amount of justice anyone could serve, that could possibly make up for the loss of another life.
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