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  #21  
April 7th, 2012, 10:05 AM
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A problem I've run into with this debate outside of JM is people REFUSE to acknowledge that Aspergers is part of the Autism Spectrum. So when they say "this is all new, blame the vax's!" it's because they don't want to admit (or don't believe) that their own disorder that they've had their entire 30+ years is all part of the same thing.

It's like talking to a really hard brick wall with some of them. Got to the point if one of them brings it up, I leave.
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  #22  
April 7th, 2012, 11:46 AM
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A problem I've run into with this debate outside of JM is people REFUSE to acknowledge that Aspergers is part of the Autism Spectrum. So when they say "this is all new, blame the vax's!" it's because they don't want to admit (or don't believe) that their own disorder that they've had their entire 30+ years is all part of the same thing.

It's like talking to a really hard brick wall with some of them. Got to the point if one of them brings it up, I leave.
As Asperger's Syndrome has only been considered part of the Autism spectrum for a few years now, its not surprising that some people still refute it. An article from 2010.
Asperger's Officially Placed Inside Autism Spectrum : NPR
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Asperger's syndrome is really just a form of autism and does not merit a separate diagnosis, according to a panel of researchers assembled by the American Psychiatric Association.
Even though many researchers already refer to Asperger's as high-functioning autism, it hasn't been listed under the autism category in the official diagnostic guide of mental disorders, called the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, or DSM. The DSM serves as a guide for mental health professionals and government agencies.
But a new draft fifth edition released Wednesday moves Asperger's officially into the autism category, provoking a wide range of responses among people with Asperger's — some of whom say they do not want to be labeled as autistic.
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April 30th, 2012, 10:43 AM
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The research that shows genetic markers for autism by the third month in utero are contaminated with transgenerational effects of environmental toxins, including those in vaccines. Unless the mother has never been vaccinated there is no way to say that the biomarkers now appearing have nothing to do with vaccines. Genetics are involved in the autism equation, to be sure. Genetics are also involved in the predisposition of many other illnesses, but in many cases, the illness does not manifest without an environmental trigger. Genetics loads the gun and vaccines pull the trigger.

Because I'm new here -- just a short intro. I have a degree in immunology and microbiology and, before I got far enough into school, my daughter was seriously damaged by vaccines. I have been researching vaccines for the last 10 years, and know for a fact that vaccines can trigger or cause autism in some children.

Studies that indicate a causal relationship between vaccines and autism:

1. The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63
2. The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372
3. Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517
4. Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005
5. Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103
6. Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3
7. Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85
8. The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10
9. Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11
10. Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98
11. Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161
12. Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6
13. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13
14. Medical Hypotheses August 1998;51:133-144.
15. Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35
16. Lancet. 1972;2:883–884.
17. Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62
18. Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372.
19. Molecular Psychiatry 2002;7:375-382.
20. American Journal of Gastroenterolgy April 2004;598-605.
21. Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003;23:504-517.
22. Neuroimmunology April 2006;173(1-2):126-34.
23. Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477.
24. Clinical Infectious Diseases September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16
25. Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465
26. Journal of Medical Microbiology October 2005;54:987-991
27. Archivos venezolanos de puericultura y pediatría 2006; Vol 69 (1): 19-25.
28. Gastroenterology. 2005:128 (Suppl 2);Abstract-303
29. Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health A. 2010;73(24):1665-77
30. Lupus February 2012 vol. 21 no. 2 223-230
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April 30th, 2012, 10:55 AM
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Oh, and there's one other study that's REALLY fascinating. I'm unsure what medical journal it is published in, but it's called “Theoretical aspects of autism: Causes–A review” done by Dr. Helen Ratajczak. She tackled the presence of human DNA in vaccines and how the can most certainly cause autism and brain damage. When asked about why DNA in vaccines can cause brain damage she said:

“Because it’s human DNA and recipients are humans, there’s homologous recombinaltion tiniker. That DNA is incorporated into the host DNA. Now it’s changed, altered self and body kills it. Where is this most expressed? The neurons of the brain. Now you have body killing the brain cells and it’s an ongoing inflammation. It doesn’t stop, it continues through the life of that individual.”

23 vaccines currently contain human tissue/DNA in the form of aborted fetal tissue, human serum albumin (from anonymous donors), and cellular protein from aborted fetal tissue and anonymous donors.
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April 30th, 2012, 06:29 PM
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The scientists and microbiologists and doctors I have known do not see a relationship between vaccines and autism. Everyone believes differently
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April 30th, 2012, 06:38 PM
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I very much think vaccines can be a factor. I am not saying in every case but I will not dismiss the fact that so many parents have said their child(ren) were fine until they received a certain vaccine. I know it's not the case for my son. In hindsight he was showing signs in infancy. I am starting to wonder if my husband has Asbergers.
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May 1st, 2012, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by LuckyClover789 View Post
The research that shows genetic markers for autism by the third month in utero are contaminated with transgenerational effects of environmental toxins, including those in vaccines. Unless the mother has never been vaccinated there is no way to say that the biomarkers now appearing have nothing to do with vaccines. Genetics are involved in the autism equation, to be sure. Genetics are also involved in the predisposition of many other illnesses, but in many cases, the illness does not manifest without an environmental trigger. Genetics loads the gun and vaccines pull the trigger.

Because I'm new here -- just a short intro. I have a degree in immunology and microbiology and, before I got far enough into school, my daughter was seriously damaged by vaccines. I have been researching vaccines for the last 10 years, and know for a fact that vaccines can trigger or cause autism in some children.

Studies that indicate a causal relationship between vaccines and autism:

1. The Journal of Pediatrics November 1999; 135(5):559-63
2. The Journal of Pediatrics 2000; 138(3): 366-372
3. Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003; 23(6): 504-517
4. Journal of Neuroimmunology 2005
5. Brain, Behavior and Immunity 1993; 7: 97-103
6. Pediatric Neurology 2003; 28(4): 1-3
7. Neuropsychobiology 2005; 51:77-85
8. The Journal of Pediatrics May 2005;146(5):605-10
9. Autism Insights 2009; 1: 1-11
10. Canadian Journal of Gastroenterology February 2009; 23(2): 95-98
11. Annals of Clinical Psychiatry 2009:21(3): 148-161
12. Journal of Child Neurology June 29, 2009; 000:1-6
13. Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders March 2009;39(3):405-13
14. Medical Hypotheses August 1998;51:133-144.
15. Journal of Child Neurology July 2000; ;15(7):429-35
16. Lancet. 1972;2:883–884.
17. Journal of Autism and Childhood Schizophrenia January-March 1971;1:48-62
18. Journal of Pediatrics March 2001;138:366-372.
19. Molecular Psychiatry 2002;7:375-382.
20. American Journal of Gastroenterolgy April 2004;598-605.
21. Journal of Clinical Immunology November 2003;23:504-517.
22. Neuroimmunology April 2006;173(1-2):126-34.
23. Prog. Neuropsychopharmacol Biol. Psychiatry December 30 2006;30:1472-1477.
24. Clinical Infectious Diseases September 1 2002;35(Suppl 1):S6-S16
25. Applied and Environmental Microbiology, 2004;70(11):6459-6465
26. Journal of Medical Microbiology October 2005;54:987-991
27. Archivos venezolanos de puericultura y pediatría 2006; Vol 69 (1): 19-25.
28. Gastroenterology. 2005:128 (Suppl 2);Abstract-303
29. Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health A. 2010;73(24):1665-77
30. Lupus February 2012 vol. 21 no. 2 223-230
Have you read through each of these studies before you copied and pasted this gish gallop?
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May 1st, 2012, 09:57 AM
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1. Isn't about vaccines
2. Does not exist
3. Aside from not being about vaccines... it's another Wakefield study
4. No study sited
5. Isn't about vaccines
6. Isn't about vaccines
7. Isn't about vaccines
8. Isn't about vaccines
9. LOL, Wakefield is on the editorial board
10. Isn't about vaccines
.....

I'm sensing a pattern here. Need I continue?
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May 1st, 2012, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by LuckyClover789 View Post
Oh, and there's one other study that's REALLY fascinating. I'm unsure what medical journal it is published in, but it's called “Theoretical aspects of autism: Causes–A review” done by Dr. Helen Ratajczak. She tackled the presence of human DNA in vaccines and how the can most certainly cause autism and brain damage. When asked about why DNA in vaccines can cause brain damage she said:

“Because it’s human DNA and recipients are humans, there’s homologous recombinaltion tiniker. That DNA is incorporated into the host DNA. Now it’s changed, altered self and body kills it. Where is this most expressed? The neurons of the brain. Now you have body killing the brain cells and it’s an ongoing inflammation. It doesn’t stop, it continues through the life of that individual.”

23 vaccines currently contain human tissue/DNA in the form of aborted fetal tissue, human serum albumin (from anonymous donors), and cellular protein from aborted fetal tissue and anonymous donors.
First, this is not a study, it is her review of other studies. Being heavy on the conjecture and light on the data, she presents nothing more than a possible theory, with no explanation of plausibility. The studies she references do not address her DNA theory, and several have already been debunked... like Mark Geier, who has since had his medical license suspended, due to his penchant for quackery.

ETA: Second, there is no "aborted fetal tissue" in vaccines. Cell lines derived from fetal tissue are used in the production of vaccines, but are filtered out of the finished product.
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