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April 5th, 2012, 07:13 PM
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Studies show genes play major role in autism - Health - Children's health - msnbc.com

Do you think with information like this, and maybe a few more studies, people will start to believe that vaccines haven't been causing autism? Is this information to be trusted, or are vaccinations still suspect?
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April 5th, 2012, 08:36 PM
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I've been waiting for this connection to hit the media to be honest. My grandmother's hairdresser has a severely autistic son who has never been vaccinated. But all the boys in her family have some form of autism.

However, I do not think that vaccinations are 100% innocent yet. I think the link might be more of a trigger than an actual cause though. But that's just a suspicion, I have nothing to back it up.
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I've never thought vaccines cause Autism, but I don't agree with the schedule and the amount of vaccines for overall general health. And I think if there has to be some link that causes people have reactions to vaccines that mimic the symptoms of Autism. Could just be vaccine injury or it could exacerbate an underlying problem. I just don't know.

I've always felt like genetics played a role. I'm interested to hear it is more prevalent in the male's genes.
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April 5th, 2012, 10:07 PM
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I've always thought that autistic children are born with a gene that a vaccine can trigger. This supports that and honestly excites me. I've worked with a lot of autistic children, and Solas is autistic.

I agree with Jillian that the vax schedule is way too intense. I wish I could control how my foster kids are vaccinated, but they have to be right on schedule.
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April 6th, 2012, 03:50 AM
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I always thought it was common sense to think that genetics plays the biggest part in autism as its known to run in families.
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April 6th, 2012, 08:58 AM
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Add to me to the genetics with a vaccine that can be a trigger for it wagon.
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April 6th, 2012, 09:30 AM
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I always thought it was known even in the no-vax community that it was a genetic issue triggered by the vax as well.

I am with Jillian, we are pro delayed and selective, and it's not all about autism, but so much more simply about health impact overall on such a small baby

Just like addiction. 50% of it is typically a genetic predisposition, but the other half requires stress to trigger the reaction, typically in the midbrain and it's processing of emotions and perceived impact of stress. Addiction is not simply the intake of drugs, especially since behavioral addictions exist and have nothing to do with consuming drugs into the body.

But genes have an element in the predisposition to the stress itself.
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April 6th, 2012, 10:16 AM
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I don't vax and I, like most other vax questioners, never denied a genetic causation that is triggered or exasperated by vaccines.
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April 6th, 2012, 01:29 PM
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I don't know of anyone, personally or even met online, who has ever said genetics play absolutely no role.
In fact it's always be explained to me, and in just about eveyr discussion I've ever been a part of, that vaccines can (and for some probably do) trigger a genetic marker that is already there.

This doesn't exactly bring about any new information, imo.
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April 6th, 2012, 03:54 PM
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I actually do know people in person who 100% blame vaxing for autism.
I don't fully vax my kids either, same as others here have said, I think the schedule is way overkill.
It would be great if there was a way to find out ahead of time which people might have these reactions to vaccines from some genetic test. That would reduce a lot of worry for people. And if vaxing isn't the ONLY trigger, it would be great to know ahead of time if there's a genetic predisposition and to be on the look out for symptoms and maybe avoid other possible triggers.
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April 6th, 2012, 04:09 PM
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The potential risk of autism is not the only reason I choose not to vaccinate. It's not even the main reason. I worry about any number of potential outcomes that could occur from the ingredients and adjuvants used in vaccines, as well as the schedule and the "one size fits all" philosophy.
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April 6th, 2012, 04:44 PM
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I don't vax, has nothing to do with autism. I've always thought that autism, amongst many other disabilities, were genetic or due to abnormalities, etc.
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April 6th, 2012, 05:44 PM
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I actually do know people in person who 100% blame vaxing for autism.
They blame vaxing and nothing else?
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April 6th, 2012, 07:04 PM
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Yes. Over the years I've heard plenty of people dismiss the idea that it's genetic. Their argument is basically that autism wasn't a problem before vaccinations became common in America and it's not as prevalent in countries where vaccinations aren't as common as here.

In this link scroll through the comments. Most are sensible, but part way down you can see Jessica M say
New Autism Findings | On Point with Tom Ashbrook

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Dr. Kim says 90% of autism is caused by genetics? Absurd. Autism rates have skyrocketed in the past 20 years - our genes don't change that quickly. 10-20X more money is spent on researching the genetics behind autism than researching the environmental reasons. Nobody wants to talk about or research the effects of the toxic environment we live in. Until we start paying attention to and limiting the amount of pesticides, plastics, and other countless chemicals in our food, water and air, autism rates will continue to climb.
I only scrolled through that quickly to see what comments were made in this regard and I didn't look at the study presented. I just know that there are people out there who will swear til their last breath that this isn't a genetic thing. Not only have I seen comments like these on news articles and blogs all over the net, I've actually been in face to face conversations with people who think that.
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April 6th, 2012, 07:24 PM
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I believe someone who believes Autism can't possibly have a genetic link, is an ignorant fool who simply chooses not to actually find out information. That sort of person, I often find, is someone who bases all of their knowledge on something another person told them, or a VERY limited amount of information they can find in a very short search. Those people are a bit scary, in some ways, to me. Because they actually refuse to see beyond what they think they know.

I very selectively vaccinate. There are some vaccines my children will absolutely never get. My concerns actually have very little to do with autism, in fact it doesn't even really come into play for most of my decisions. Most of my issues are based on other health concerns.
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Ok, my last post proved that people are dismissive that it's genetically related, not that they are placing 100% blame on vaxing. But I've still had in person conversations with people who do blame vaxing and aren't just vaguely saying "environmental toxins."

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I believe someone who believes Autism can't possibly have a genetic link, is an ignorant fool who simply chooses not to actually find out information. That sort of person, I often find, is someone who bases all of their knowledge on something another person told them, or a VERY limited amount of information they can find in a very short search. Those people are a bit scary, in some ways, to me. Because they actually refuse to see beyond what they think they know.

I very selectively vaccinate. There are some vaccines my children will absolutely never get. My concerns actually have very little to do with autism, in fact it doesn't even really come into play for most of my decisions. Most of my issues are based on other health concerns.
I think so too, and these are difficult conversations for me. The sidelines at soccer practice aren't the time and place for me to get into debates and tell people how narrow minded they are being! lol

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I believe someone who believes Autism can't possibly have a genetic link, is an ignorant fool who simply chooses not to actually find out information. That sort of person, I often find, is someone who bases all of their knowledge on something another person told them, or a VERY limited amount of information they can find in a very short search. Those people are a bit scary, in some ways, to me. Because they actually refuse to see beyond what they think they know.

I very selectively vaccinate. There are some vaccines my children will absolutely never get. My concerns actually have very little to do with autism, in fact it doesn't even really come into play for most of my decisions. Most of my issues are based on other health concerns.
I think so too, and these are difficult conversations for me. The sidelines at soccer practice aren't the time and place for me to get into debates and tell people how narrow minded they are being! lol
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April 6th, 2012, 07:38 PM
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I vax and I have never thought vaccines have anything to do with autism. I honestly don't know what is the actual cause of autism and I don't think anyone knows right now. Genetics playing a role is pretty "duh" to me.
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People who think autism wasn't around before vaccines must not read or educate themselves on the subject.
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April 7th, 2012, 07:42 AM
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Honestly, I don't this notion will die out any time soon. I find that "gene denialists" don't seem to understand that "genetic" doesn't necessarily refer to heredity; it can also refer to mutations, variants, shifts, etc.
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People who think autism wasn't around before vaccines must not read or educate themselves on the subject.
Truth. A Norwegian study showed that there was a similar rate in adults compared to children in 2011.
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