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  #81  
April 23rd, 2012, 01:44 PM
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Cloth is easier for us too. My washer doesn't know the difference between a few extra diapers, it only knows small, medium and large load, so there was no increase because with the extra diapers in there it's still on the same load size.
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The Pampers are nothing but trouble if you ask me. I put my daughter in Pampers dry max after my DH brought home the wrong pack of diapers (the dry max). After a few days, her rash was so bad that she had bleeding blisters all over her private area. I thought it was just a bad diaper rash until they started bleeding and I realized it was the **** dry max formula... stay away from them. There are so many lawsuits going on over those diapers, I'm surprised they are still on the market. There is nothing worse than watching your newborn dealing with a rash so bad that you think it will leave scars.... It was awful.
I know I've seen so many stories lurking in friends PR's and what not. It's scary. I know that not every baby reacts that way, but just the idea that my baby's bottom could do what my hands did... so scary. My aunt's baby did react, slowly.. but she got lucky that her sisters and mom remembered my reaction... and got her to stop immediately.



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The Pampers are nothing but trouble if you ask me. I put my daughter in Pampers dry max after my DH brought home the wrong pack of diapers (the dry max). After a few days, her rash was so bad that she had bleeding blisters all over her private area. I thought it was just a bad diaper rash until they started bleeding and I realized it was the **** dry max formula... stay away from them. There are so many lawsuits going on over those diapers, I'm surprised they are still on the market. There is nothing worse than watching your newborn dealing with a rash so bad that you think it will leave scars.... It was awful.

My son didn't have a reaction to them. He still uses them, but I noticed that they changed them. They seem to be more like the old cruisers.
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April 24th, 2012, 02:27 AM
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I used cloth as a single mom, working full time, on assistance, with no washer and dryer and I assure you it's totally possible. If you're low income and are asking for assistance, you get what you get and you don't throw a fit. I don't agree with things being free or almost free and completely 100% convenient, you can't have it both ways. Sure, you might be spending more on washing diapers but I can guarantee its less than buying sposies for 2 to 4 years.
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April 24th, 2012, 01:39 PM
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I have to side with Where's Perry? (sorry, I don't know your name!) on this one. AND, I'm a CD momma myself. For the first 11 months of DS's life, I stayed home with him (and took online classes and nannied). I THINK it was easier for me (honestly, I never used sposies, but I hate running out to the store if I'm almost out of something. Plus, I've always had to drive to the dumpster/trash compactor, so more trash would be a larger inconvenience for me than more laundry). Now, I'm a full time single mom with a full time job and a side job. I'm not so sure it is easier anymore. There are many weeks when I don't want to have to stay up and wash diapers, but I have to for day care the next day. However, I'm so used to it at this point that it SEEMS easy.

That said, I understand than in MANY situations, it is a lot more work. Sometimes, it's virtually impossible. I'm lucky that the daycare center I loved was more than happy to CD. That isn't always the case, though. And laundromats are incredibly inconvenient, not always easy to get to (especially for someone who has a car), and expensive. I would be incredibly surprised to find out that using cloth and washing at a laundromat for 2-4 years was really cheaper than using economical sposies for the same time period. Even with a washer and dryer, there are added costs (for me anyway) of CDing. DS has severe reactions to certain cloth diapers (BGs) and most detergents. For many babies, CDs cause more severe rashes than sposies.

All that said, I still don't agree with the idea of government funded diapers, sposies or CDs. And I still think that most people would sell their CDs to get cash for sposies (or whatever else) instead of using them, anyway. I'm just arguing that cloth (even though I love it!) has it's own costs and can really be an excessive inconvenience for many people.
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April 24th, 2012, 01:53 PM
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Inconvenience with a little more work, or more money out of your own pocket.....

I'm not keen on the "it's too hard for me" excuse when you're living your life on someone else's dime-even if it's only assistance and not total reliance. Provided a program like this existed, I don't think most people who actually need help would complain nearly as much. It's those who don't really need help who aren't grateful. Those who aren't grateful, eh, a dime a dozen and I wouldn't use them as a reason to NOT offer an option which would work out, in the end, to be cheaper overall.


Had to re-word what I wrote there, didn't make much sense, lol.
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April 24th, 2012, 01:58 PM
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Inconvenience, or more money out of your own pocket.....

If you're on assistance, relying on other people to help you get by, I'm not so certain you really should be given the option. Of course that depends on whether or not a program like that would exist in the first place. But I'm not keen on the "it's too hard for me" excuse when you're living your life on someone else's dime.
Yeah, I kind of agree with what you are saying here. If you are choosing to have a baby and you can't afford it, if you want government help - I don't necessarily think you are allowed to choose what form you get it in.
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April 24th, 2012, 03:54 PM
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I used cloth as a single mom, working full time, on assistance, with no washer and dryer and I assure you it's totally possible. If you're low income and are asking for assistance, you get what you get and you don't throw a fit. I don't agree with things being free or almost free and completely 100% convenient, you can't have it both ways. Sure, you might be spending more on washing diapers but I can guarantee its less than buying sposies for 2 to 4 years.
Oh I'm sure it's possible, and I'm happy you have that much energy. I don't have that much energy nor did I have the desire to cloth diaper. Also, the day care centers around here don't take cloth diapers. I'm just a lazy single mom, I guess.
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April 24th, 2012, 08:47 PM
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Many people decide to have a baby when they are financially stable, and then before baby comes or shortly after baby comes, life happens (losing a job, being laid off, etc). Whenever we have debates like this I always get the impression that people think it's only poor people who plan to have a baby while being poor, or those who just make "enough" to get assistance are having babies to keep getting assistance and be lazy. But in reality, at least in my experience, that is a minority of people, and the majority of those who would benefit from assitance are the ones who were working and financially stable and then fell on bad luck/hard times.
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Many people decide to have a baby when they are financially stable, and then before baby comes or shortly after baby comes, life happens (losing a job, being laid off, etc). Whenever we have debates like this I always get the impression that people think it's only poor people who plan to have a baby while being poor, or those who just make "enough" to get assistance are having babies to keep getting assistance and be lazy. But in reality, at least in my experience, that is a minority of people, and the majority of those who would benefit from assitance are the ones who were working and financially stable and then fell on bad luck/hard times.
I hope you aren't getting that impression from me.
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April 25th, 2012, 12:21 PM
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Oh I'm sure it's possible, and I'm happy you have that much energy. I don't have that much energy nor did I have the desire to cloth diaper. Also, the day care centers around here don't take cloth diapers. I'm just a lazy single mom, I guess.
If you're a single lazy mom, then I am too. I don't have that much energy or motivation, either.
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Many people decide to have a baby when they are financially stable, and then before baby comes or shortly after baby comes, life happens (losing a job, being laid off, etc). Whenever we have debates like this I always get the impression that people think it's only poor people who plan to have a baby while being poor, or those who just make "enough" to get assistance are having babies to keep getting assistance and be lazy. But in reality, at least in my experience, that is a minority of people, and the majority of those who would benefit from assitance are the ones who were working and financially stable and then fell on bad luck/hard times.
I think you're misreading most of what's being said if that's the impression you're getting from this discussion. Because I'm not getting that at all. In fact I haven't seen anyone say anything even remotely close to that in this discussion.

Of course assistance is there primarily for those who fall on hard times. And of course there are those who are simply lazy and will rely on it until the day that they die no mater what. I don't really think anyone here believes those folks are the majority though. At least I've never once gotten that impression here(elsewhere, perhaps, lol, but not here). Especially given that quite a few of us have been or are on some kind of assistance ourselves.

That said, I still very strongly believe that IF you are in need of assistance you really should be making the best use of it as possible and getting every penny to stretch as far as possible. I know not everyone does, nor does everyone agree, but that's my personal stance. I don't particularly care if you're a person who's working hard and simply in financial crisis, or a lazy SOB who doesn't give a rip about anyone. I feel the same about the assistance you're getting. I feel the same about the assistance I get/did get/would get. Though it's only medical atm. and I can't really stretch that even if I wanted to lol, I would if I could. When we were on any other kind of assistance I would stretch it. It's not exactly my money to do whatever I please with, well not completely anyway.
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April 25th, 2012, 08:46 PM
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Oh I'm sure it's possible, and I'm happy you have that much energy. I don't have that much energy nor did I have the desire to cloth diaper. Also, the day care centers around here don't take cloth diapers. I'm just a lazy single mom, I guess.
Deniz, I was never insinuating that you or anyone else is lazy, I was just pointing out that it is possible.





And on the same note, my personal opinion is that if you (general) are desperate enough to be asking DES or WIC or whoever to provide you with diapers because you can't afford them and when they offer you cloth and you say "No thanks, I'll just buy sposies cause I don't have the time nor do I wish to wash diapers", then you are full of crap and shouldn't be asking in the first place. If you are TRULY broke, you take what is given to you and you make it happen. Believe me, when I first started CDing I wasn't thrilled about scraping poop or the extra load or 2 of laundry a week but I was broke and it was my only option so I put my big girl panties on and did the d@mn thang. It's along the lines of people saying they don't want WIC or the old food stamps because people at the grocery store will know they are receiving assistance and ya, it sucks the first few times to have to do 3 separate transactions and hold up the line for 10 min, but I got over it because it was my only option. Did I enjoy the hour long wait at WIC every 3 months to renew? Absolutely not. Did I enjoy the month long back and forth over phone and fax with DES every 6 months to renew my benefits? Nope. You get my point. It's not about convenience, its about sucking it up and doing what you gotta do.



And for anyone who hasn't ever had a desire to do the research, I just googled quick and found this.

Cost of Cloth Diapers

Pretty much....

Prefolds and covers from infant to 30 months = $381 (including W&D at home)
Disposables = $2577

I don't agree with providing diapers but if I did, I would do CD. Why should whoever shell out an average of $83 a month to make things easier on the recipient when they could pay $13 for CD. When I CD using a laundromat, it cost me an extra $4.00 a week so $16 a month.

And I guess they could technically try to sell them but to prevent that, people would have to be asked about their willingness to CD and be told that they get one shot, if the CDs "disappear" then they will have that money taken out of their benefits.

Anywho.....
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Deniz, I was never insinuating that you or anyone else is lazy, I was just pointing out that it is possible.


I know, I wasn't being serious when I said I was lazy. Nobody said it's impossible... It's just not possible for everyone. Glad it worked out for ya.
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And on the same note, my personal opinion is that if you (general) are desperate enough to be asking DES or WIC or whoever to provide you with diapers because you can't afford them and when they offer you cloth and you say "No thanks, I'll just buy sposies cause I don't have the time nor do I wish to wash diapers", then you are full of crap and shouldn't be asking in the first place. If you are TRULY broke, you take what is given to you and you make it happen. Believe me, when I first started CDing I wasn't thrilled about scraping poop or the extra load or 2 of laundry a week but I was broke and it was my only option so I put my big girl panties on and did the d@mn thang. It's along the lines of people saying they don't want WIC or the old food stamps because people at the grocery store will know they are receiving assistance and ya, it sucks the first few times to have to do 3 separate transactions and hold up the line for 10 min, but I got over it because it was my only option. Did I enjoy the hour long wait at WIC every 3 months to renew? Absolutely not. Did I enjoy the month long back and forth over phone and fax with DES every 6 months to renew my benefits? Nope. You get my point. It's not about convenience, its about sucking it up and doing what you gotta do.



And for anyone who hasn't ever had a desire to do the research, I just googled quick and found this.

Cost of Cloth Diapers

Pretty much....

Prefolds and covers from infant to 30 months = $381 (including W&D at home)
Disposables = $2577

I don't agree with providing diapers but if I did, I would do CD. Why should whoever shell out an average of $83 a month to make things easier on the recipient when they could pay $13 for CD. When I CD using a laundromat, it cost me an extra $4.00 a week so $16 a month.

And I guess they could technically try to sell them but to prevent that, people would have to be asked about their willingness to CD and be told that they get one shot, if the CDs "disappear" then they will have that money taken out of their benefits.

Anywho.....
Those 'sposie prices are over-inflated. James wears Pampers size 4, which I buy from Amazon for .20/diaper. I spend about $40/month to diaper him, but technically it has cost me nothing so far because I sold the extensive stash I used for my Bobby and Loni, which bought be a good 18 months worth of 'sposies.
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DS has severe reactions to certain cloth diapers (BGs) and most detergents. For many babies, CDs cause more severe rashes than sposies.
Same here. Bobby really didn't get rashes much, but Loni and James sure did! Blistery rashes, no matter how well the diapers were rinsed. I finally narrowed it down to the minerals in our hard water. I was too lazy to hand wash the diapers in bottled spring water
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Those 'sposie prices are over-inflated. James wears Pampers size 4, which I buy from Amazon for .20/diaper. I spend about $40/month to diaper him, but technically it has cost me nothing so far because I sold the extensive stash I used for my Bobby and Loni, which bought be a good 18 months worth of 'sposies.
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Same here. Bobby really didn't get rashes much, but Loni and James sure did! Blistery rashes, no matter how well the diapers were rinsed. I finally narrowed it down to the minerals in our hard water. I was too lazy to hand wash the diapers in bottled spring water

I'm glad I'm not the only one! Thank goodness I found a wash routine that did work for DS. But I HAVE to use Rockin Green and I HAVE to use OxyClean in every load or the rashes come back. I spend close to $23/month in detergent alone to CD DS now. Technically, you only spend $17 more to use sposies, and that's not even taking into consideration the cost of my diapers (which again, HAVE to be pockets or AIOs because daycare won't change anything where they have to touch an insert, like prefolds). I would be fairly astonished if I saved money CDing.

I'm not arguing with the thought that if you really are in desperate need of assistance you don't really have the grounds to argue or poo-poo what you are given. I agree with that wholeheartedly. I'm just arguing that CDs aren't always a one-size fits all perfect solution for every single family in the whole world. As much as I love them and love the environmental benefits and encourage everyone I know to use them, I can also relate to and understand the idea that there are families who would spend more on CDs or who would have truly excessive difficulties attempting to use them.
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