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May 18th, 2012, 04:29 PM
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What should happen? Should the state start supporting his kids?
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He really needs to stop having sex, or get snipped. Either one really.


Thats really hard, he, on one hand, dosent deserve to have the government help him out of this situation that he got himself into, however the mother's do deserve financial support.
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He really needs to stop having sex, or get snipped. Either one really.


Thats really hard, he, on one hand, dosent deserve to have the government help him out of this situation that he got himself into, however the mother's do deserve financial support.
I'd like to say I agree with you.. however it's 30 kids to 11 women.. at some point I think the ladies need to accept some responsibility for the procreation as well.




I'm not sure what should happen.... I don't like the idea of the state supporting the women because he can't... not our responsibility to care for the children he keeps making.
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I was trying to figure out if his penis is made of gold or just really huge?

Stone me, but I think that it is somewhat the mothers' responsibility to see who they are laying down with. You can't tell me that there wasn't even one rumor that led these ladies to research the man. I'm assuming that because he had several kids born in the same year, several times that he's not having meaningful relationships with these women either. In that case it's still somewhat their fault for laying down with a stranger and not being more careful about it.

I too agree that he needs to be snipped, or we can just wait til he croaks of some STD.
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And people (general) are nasty about the Duggars for having 19 kids and fully supporting themselves WITHOUT assistance and debt?

Jeez... i find it SO hard to believe none of these women didn't know what was going on. 11 women, 30 kids.... he was clearly allowed to keep coming back even though he was running around.

No i don't think the state should pay his child support.
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My general opinion is that if you sleep with a total loser and choose to have a kid with him...don't expect much in return.
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My general opinion is that if you sleep with a total loser and choose to have a kid with him...don't expect much in return.
Who gets to define total loser? What happens if the man doesn't show his true colors until after the woman gets pregnant? If he just decides to be a "total loser" and walk away, she shouldn't expect any support of the child becuase it's her own fault?

I'm not saying that the case in this debate isn't a little...special. I mean, 30 kids, 11 women, just over a decade, obviously there was some overlap there. I think the women in this case were definitely not being smart. It would be pretty hard to miss that this is not a guy you want to father your children, especially if you want any support. I don't think that his children's mothers should received any extra assistance above what he is providing and what any one else would be eligible for. I mean, I don't think that they should be exempt from reveiving state aid that they qualify for (food stamps, Medicaid, etc.), but I don't think they should receive extra from the state becuase they are not receiving c/s. There are many women out there who don't received the c/s they are owed, and the state doesn't step in and cover that.

All that said, I think the general statement that sleeping with a loser means you shouldn't expect to receive c/s is pretty ridiculous. It's pretty situational, and men are just as responsible to help their children as women are.
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This idiot, and I use that term in the most loving of ways of course, doesn't deserve any assistance with raising his children. The mothers, while I can't say they necessarily made a smart move, I won't say for certain they don't deserve assistance raising their children. It really is a catch 22. By helping the mothers, they/we will be helping the father. In the end, the children-hopefully-will benefit and that is what matters most, to me.
It does suck, to some degree, that by mere association the one who could prevent but simply chooses not to, will be getting help he very well may not deserve(and who knows, maybe some of those mothers don't deserve it either). But I have a hard time saying the kids don't deserve it. All kids deserve as much help in this world as we can possibly give them, imo. For some of those kids, without the help, odds are their lives would be pretty ******. I guess you could say I am beyond torn. I can see why help shouldn't be given, but, more importantly, I can see why it's needed.

As for the women being with an idiot. Well, as much as I'd like to say they're foolish and stupid for making such a bad decision, I can't. Some of them may know, but maybe all of them don't, or didn't anyway. Who knows. I'm going to try really hard not to judge. I know what it's like to be with someone who makes a complete 180 down the road. It sucks beyond belief. I know what it's like to make a decision that will forever change your life, and doing whatever you can to make the best of it, then later realize that the one person who should have been right beside you all along, wasn't really. Counting on someone else to help you out(because really, that's what a relationship ought to be about, especially when you bring children into the mix), only to realize that this too, was a stupid move on your part, isn't a life lesson I'd wish on anyone. It's a pretty rough road. Yeah some make that decision, despite knowing full well how the other person is/acts, but not everyone does. I sure as heck didn't.

Some people don't show their true colors until later in life. Some people start out as pretty great people, generally speaking, and then end up being complete and utter jerks. It happens. We can't control others, and what they will or will not do. Much as I'd love to say we can. Some people can be one thing, one person, one way, to some people yet have a completely different side you never knew-or never see. It's not entirely unheard of. That goes for men and women, not just men. Women can be just as much of a deadbeat, it's just not as common(I don't think, statistically speaking anyway). That's why I won't paint all the mothers with the same brush. Some might deserve it, but I'm sure all of them don't.

My opinions apply to more than just this case though. This case doesn't seem to fit in with the norm, imo. Most cases like this don't involve 30 kids(and who knows, there may even be more, at the rate this dude is going), or 11 different women. I'm just not really ready to say "cut help to the kids" just because their father got himself in way over his head and their mothers cannot do it on their own. That would be making the children pay for the sins of their parents, and that's a difficult thing for me to swallow. It's just not that cut and dry, to me.
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The father needs to find a better-paying job so he can pay his due child support and the mothers can work too. I didn't see anything that said they're disabled and can't go to work. They made their beds, now there are consequences. Unfortunately, the kids will suffer because of their foolish choices. Remember, SOME women had not one child with him, but MULTIPLE children with him! They didn't learn their mistake (even if they all didn't know each other existed) from the FIRST child he failed to pay for? And then slept with him AGAIN and got pregnant AGAIN? Should the women be let off because "poor kids?" Shouldn't women be responsible for their own birth control? I don't care if he was the POPE and was nice to them. That's not an excuse to get down and dirty and then beg others to pay for that choice you made. If the man has no condoms and wants them to sleep with him, shouldn't they say "NO?" It's not rocket science!!! The children will know the father is a deadbeat scumbag, isn't it a shame that this had to happen because both the women AND him weren't acting responsibly?

Think I'm harsh? I don't care. I'm tired of people making poor decisions and then asking everyone to feel bad for them.
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The father needs to find a better-paying job so he can pay his due child support and the mothers can work too. I didn't see anything that said they're disabled and can't go to work. They made their beds, now there are consequences. Unfortunately, the kids will suffer because of their foolish choices. Remember, SOME women had not one child with him, but MULTIPLE children with him! They didn't learn their mistake (even if they all didn't know each other existed) from the FIRST child he failed to pay for? And then slept with him AGAIN and got pregnant AGAIN? Should the women be let off because "poor kids?" Shouldn't women be responsible for their own birth control? I don't care if he was the POPE and was nice to them. That's not an excuse to get down and dirty and then beg others to pay for that choice you made. If the man has no condoms and wants them to sleep with him, shouldn't they say "NO?" It's not rocket science!!! The children will know the father is a deadbeat scumbag, isn't it a shame that this had to happen because both the women AND him weren't acting responsibly?

Think I'm harsh? I don't care. I'm tired of people making poor decisions and then asking everyone to feel bad for them.
Did you read the article? Nowhere does it say the women are asking the state to pay for the children, unless there is a video that I can't see because I'm at work. The article is short and to the point. The OP just questioned what we thought. There is no reason to judge these mothers in a situation we can only hypothesize about. There was no mention of begging anyone to pay. Unless you are referring to the father, in which case, he SHOULD be EXPECTED to pay. No begging required.

As far as the first bolded, sure, but men should be EQUALLY responsible. For all we know some (one, most, all) of these women are happily going along raising their child(ren) without needing any extra support for this man. They probably love their children and are thankful for them. If HE didn't want to have those children, then it was his responsibility to use protection. If the women didn't either, then they were responsible, yes, but not more so than he is!

For the last bolded, I'm not saying that it is a great situation. It's not idea for any child to not have an active father or one who is able to support him. But does that mean it is a shame that any child of a single mother is born? We know nothing of these children's lives. They may have everything they need. Just because a father is lacking or inactive or can't financial support them, doesn't mean it is a shame that the child exists.
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I'm still trying to figure out where it came from that the mothers didn't work?

I haven't given my opinion because I basically agree with the majority. It's sad that these moms aren't getting what they should be getting, but it's out societies place to pay for this mans child support obligations. If the moms qualify for any sort of state aid, let them get that on top of the support they should be getting. There are tons of moms out there who never see a dime of support, I'm one of them. Why should this father get any special treatment? He made his bed, now he has to deal with it. It's sad for the kids involved, but it's also sad for all the other kids who have to deal with deadbeat dads.
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Did you read the article? Nowhere does it say the women are asking the state to pay for the children, unless there is a video that I can't see because I'm at work. The article is short and to the point. The OP just questioned what we thought. There is no reason to judge these mothers in a situation we can only hypothesize about. There was no mention of begging anyone to pay. Unless you are referring to the father, in which case, he SHOULD be EXPECTED to pay. No begging required.

As far as the first bolded, sure, but men should be EQUALLY responsible. For all we know some (one, most, all) of these women are happily going along raising their child(ren) without needing any extra support for this man. They probably love their children and are thankful for them. If HE didn't want to have those children, then it was his responsibility to use protection. If the women didn't either, then they were responsible, yes, but not more so than he is!

For the last bolded, I'm not saying that it is a great situation. It's not idea for any child to not have an active father or one who is able to support him. But does that mean it is a shame that any child of a single mother is born? We know nothing of these children's lives. They may have everything they need. Just because a father is lacking or inactive or can't financial support them, doesn't mean it is a shame that the child exists.
The A-Hole is begging the judge to "relieve" some of his child support obligations. Thus he's BEGGING for everyone else to support his kids. Obviously I read the article. That's one of the main things he's fighting for. He's a big cry baby.

I said both men and women should be equally responsible. But every time I turn around and read something, it's always HIS fault and NOT theirs. It's BOTH. Women need to be smarter and men need to be as well. The State and the rest of us should not support other people's stupidity. And I never said it was a shame the children are in existence. I said it was a shame that this had to happen. I don't care if a person has 100 kids....but to bring them into this world and say "Well sorry kid, can't support you" sucks for the kid. It SUCKS for the kids in this case that he's so nonchalant about things. It SUCKS for the kids to know that their parents made poor decisions. Their existence has nothing to do with the fact that they're going to go through a lot of things that plain SUCK because of the decisions of their family.

I could understand an "accidental" pregnancy....ONCE, And especially if he couldn't afford the ONE, I certainly would NOT be making a SECOND child with him! COMMON SENSE. If you didn't learn the first time that GEE maybe protection is a good idea since deadbeat prize over can't even pay for child #1? Then there is no help that I could possibly offer you. And this is just assuming none of the women knew about each other. Which I find very difficult to believe that not one suspected SOMETHING was amiss.


Childofmusic-what does the ring on or not on their finger have to do w/ anything? You think the women bear absolutely no responsibility in their own birth control? If a man shows up w/o condoms, then it's up to the woman. If she has nothing, she can say NO. It's NOT that hard.... These people are ALL at fault!

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I'm still trying to figure out where it came from that the mothers didn't work?

I haven't given my opinion because I basically agree with the majority. It's sad that these moms aren't getting what they should be getting, but it's out societies place to pay for this mans child support obligations. If the moms qualify for any sort of state aid, let them get that on top of the support they should be getting. There are tons of moms out there who never see a dime of support, I'm one of them. Why should this father get any special treatment? He made his bed, now he has to deal with it. It's sad for the kids involved, but it's also sad for all the other kids who have to deal with deadbeat dads.
different article I read the other day. Not ALL the moms, but many didn't work, supposedly. I can only go by what I read. If they all work, GREAT. If not, then why the heck should *I* support them??
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The A-Hole is begging the judge to "relieve" some of his child support obligations. Thus he's BEGGING for everyone else to support his kids. Obviously I read the article. That's one of the main things he's fighting for. He's a big cry baby.
Your original post was talking about the women when you said that they were begging others to pay for the children. I think it's general consensus that this guy is pretty lame and does not deserve the help. But nowhere did it say that the moms were begging or even nicely requesting anything.

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No you did not. You said, and I quote, "Shouldn't women be responsible for their own birth control?" That in no way implies equal responsibility.

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But every time I turn around and read something, it's always HIS fault and NOT theirs. It's BOTH.
I agree with out that there is equal responsibility, but as to the bolded, REALLY!?! Please share any single source that soley blames and holds a father responsible for the existence, care, nurturing, and support of his child(ren). In my 27 years, I have NEVER heard of a father being held solely responsible, but I have read many articles and reports, seen too much media coverage, taken college course, and felt the general cultural attitude that WOMEN are responsible. If you would like some examples, I will be happy to find them for you. When a woman abandons her child to the father, she is horrible, awful, cruel, and non maternal. When a father abandons a child, especially unplanned or to a woman he is not married to, it's quite commonly excusable and the woman's fault. If you can provide sources otherwise, I would very much love to see them. This is one area where I would LOVE to have my views changed.

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Childofmusic-what does the ring on or not on their finger have to do w/ anything? You think the women bear absolutely no responsibility in their own birth control? If a man shows up w/o condoms, then it's up to the woman. If she has nothing, she can say NO. It's NOT that hard.... These people are ALL at fault!
It's WHAT!?!? I'm speechless. Seriously. If a man doesn't happen to have condoms on him, then it's the woman's sole responsibilty to use birth control or say no!? Since when could HE not say no if he didn't have protection? I'm assuming most of these women have 2-3 children (perhaps some have a few more). He has 30. If he can't support more children, HE needs to stop making them. Heck, some of the women could be supporting their children fine. I'm supporting my son easily (with no help from anyone), and I could add another child to our family without financial hardship (I won't, but that isn't the point). There is no evidence that some of the women aren't in my same position. Maybe they even WANTED to provide their child with a sibling (I know I get heartsick thinking of my son growing up without a sibling) and could provide for a second child. You don't know what went on, except that this MAN could not provide for further children. Thus, he has responsibility to say no, or to go get condoms (which, for the record, are not 100% effective at preventing pregnancy). I'm not saying the women are blameless, at all. They have an equal responsibility, sure. But saying that if a man shows up and has no condoms then it falls on the women to say no or come up with their own protection is archaic and sexist. Okay, I'm off my soap box now.



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different article I read the other day. Not ALL the moms, but many didn't work, supposedly. I can only go by what I read. If they all work, GREAT. If not, then why the heck should *I* support them??
Please share this article. I'm not saying you aren't right, but I am reserving judgment on the mother's until I have ANY information on them.
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Similar story, different year. Same man. Same women.
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A man aged 29 has fathered 21 children with 11 different women, it emerged
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He has apparently set a U.S. record but said: 'It just happened
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So, in 2009 he fathered 21 children by 11 different women and now it comes out that by 2012 he has fathered 9 more.
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Still waiting on the article claiming these moms don't work. I've only read stuff about him directly.
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He could be lying but.


So, in 2009 he fathered 21 children by 11 different women and now it comes out that by 2012 he has fathered 9 more.
Okay so the amount of mothers that he's had children with hasn't changed since 2009. In 2009 he had 21 children by 11 different women. Now he has 30 with 11 different women, meaning that some of the same women he already had children with, that he couldn't support, went and had more babies with him.

This guy should receive no reprieve from child support but I also hope that the mothers are being held financially responsible as well. They continued to make babies with a man who they already knew wasn't able to support the children that he had. They hold some of the blame here. He didn't make those babies on his own.

They may very well be supporting their children. The article doesn't mention it. It just bothers me when people make him out to be the only bad one in the picture. He's disgusting but the women aren't a whole lot better.
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