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  #1  
July 9th, 2012, 02:38 PM
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Yes, its a dead horse subject but its been in the news lately and its pretty quiet here so......

Last week a New Hampshire clerk was fired for refusing to sell cigs. to a guy who was paying with his EBT card.
Clerk Gets Fired After Refusing To Sell Cigarettes To Welfare Recipient - Careers Articles

In Mass., EBT cards can be used at nail salons and jewelry stores.
Mass. gov recommends own welfare card restrictions - Boston.com
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BOSTON—Welfare benefit cards could still be used at nail salons
and jewelry stores under restrictions recommended by Gov. Deval
Patrick.

As an amendment to the budget proposal signed Sunday, Patrick cut the
Legislature's list of businesses that cannot accept electronic benefit card
purchases. Among the changes, Patrick would still allow the cards to be used at
nail salons and jewelry stores
. He kept the provision banning EBT card purchases
at liquor stores, casinos and adult entertainment venues.
Should EBT cards only be used for necessities or whatever one wants?
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July 9th, 2012, 06:49 PM
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I'm not worried about what people do. Who am I to dictate to them on how to live more healthy and money conscious when I don't take my own advice sometimes, lol.
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July 9th, 2012, 07:15 PM
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I'm not worried about what people do. Who am I to dictate to them on how to live more healthy and money conscious when I don't take my own advice sometimes, lol.
You're the one funding their habit.

It's one thing to overlook another person's indulgences when they're paying for it themselves. It's quite another when it's on your dime.

Money is not infinite. Our government should not act like it is. State governments have far more pressing problems to spend money on than this.
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July 9th, 2012, 07:20 PM
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You're the one funding their habit.

It's one thing to overlook another person's indulgences when they're paying for it themselves. It's quite another when it's on your dime.

Money is not infinite. Our government should not act like it is. State governments have far more pressing problems to spend money on than this.
Their habit to get their nails done? Yeah, $.00000000001 of my money goes towards that one person getting their nails done. Again, I have better shhhit to worry about. And yes, poor people deserve pampering and cupcakes.
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July 9th, 2012, 07:45 PM
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July 10th, 2012, 04:28 AM
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I'm not in favor of a lot of luxuries on the taxpayer dime. This money is supposed to be for necessities and lets face it, if you're getting by every month AND buying jewelry and getting your nails done for free, you don't need as much as you're getting.

As far as the cigs, if the dept. of agriculture and the First Lady are implementing guidlines dictating what I can pack in my child's school lunch from home and the Mayor of NY is putting bans on certain sized soft drinks (among other things), then I think its fine to say that individuals cannot obtain free cigs with their EBT card.
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July 10th, 2012, 08:41 AM
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Since the EBT card can be basically the same as any other debt card(if you get cash assistance) they'd have one heck of a time stopping places from accepting it. Simply based on how it works. In essence, it IS a debt card.
Now if you only get food stamps on your EBT card, it's easier to limit, as it doesn't function the same(on the merchant end).

My feelings on the matter have always been if you can't afford it, you don't really need it-when it comes to luxuries.We all go without things we'd like all the time, and it has yet to kill us. Necessities are a different story. That's not to say people who can't afford it don't deserve non-essentials, or anything like that. But I'm more of a live within your means and if you're on someone else's dime, you've got even more responsibility to do just that, sort of person. Sometimes those things just aren't in the cards for ya, and there's not much you can do about it. Sucks, but life sucks sometimes. I don't know if I would necessarily support them changing where it can be used mostly because doing so means the entire system would likely need changed to accommodate such a change and it would be a PITA for retailers. The cash assistance given is exactly that, cash and not everyone is going to spend their cash wisely. Do I want someone who is relying on tax dollars to get an entirely free ride, including any and all luxuries? Of course not. But I'm also not certain it really matters in the end though. Not when there are fast food places, food delivery services(like schwanns, expensive as hell) and actual sit down restaurants that take food stamps.(which in some instances I agree wholeheartedly, others, not so much).

I've never received cash assistance, but when on food stamps I made certain that every dollar stretched as far as it could. Wasn't exactly my money-well that's my take on it anyway. That doesn't mean I never splurged or never got treats or things not necessarily vital for our survival. But I did limit those instances. As I believe all should. It is after all a hand up, not a hand out.
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July 10th, 2012, 09:37 AM
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I'm not a fan of it being used in places like nail salons and jewelery stores, but I'm less of a fan of dictating where people can spend the money. Personally, I think it's stupid to use your ebt card at casino's and other entertainment places. But who am I to say that you can't. Yes, it's my tax dollars but when I was in those shoes, I didn't want to hear the next person tell me I couldn't use my ebt card to buy a pair of shoes for myself or my kids, regardless if it was a need at the moment or a want.
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July 10th, 2012, 11:54 AM
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You're the one funding their habit.

It's one thing to overlook another person's indulgences when they're paying for it themselves. It's quite another when it's on your dime.

Money is not infinite. Our government should not act like it is. State governments have far more pressing problems to spend money on than this.
Yes! Exactly! I'm not about to say that people using assistance should be limited to top ramen or anything like that, but I have a hard time supporting the idea of people on assistance being able to afford things that many, many tax paying citizens cannot afford.
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July 10th, 2012, 01:32 PM
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I'm not a fan of it being used in places like nail salons and jewelery stores, but I'm less of a fan of dictating where people can spend the money. Personally, I think it's stupid to use your ebt card at casino's and other entertainment places. But who am I to say that you can't. Yes, it's my tax dollars but when I was in those shoes, I didn't want to hear the next person tell me I couldn't use my ebt card to buy a pair of shoes for myself or my kids, regardless if it was a need at the moment or a want.
You can't compare shoes to getting your nails done. Shoes are a necessity. Getting you nails done is not. You want your nails done, give yourself a manicure at home.
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July 10th, 2012, 04:41 PM
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Umm yeah I have enough pairs to declare them not a need, especially the ones that have been sitting there untouched for years now.

The point I was making is that sometimes buying shoes are a want just like doing your nail. I can't comfortably sit back and shake my finger at a person for how they spend their ebt money. I will judge them in my head but I will keep that judgement to myself.
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July 10th, 2012, 04:57 PM
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No no no...Shoes are a need! You can't convince me otherwise! For example...I need those cute wedges I saw. Neeeeed!
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July 10th, 2012, 09:13 PM
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I'm not in favor of letting people on assistance buy cigs and go to salons using the assistance. Assistance is to help supplement, not fund you're entire lifestyle.
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July 13th, 2012, 11:36 AM
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Wow, I didn't even know you could use your EBT card for nails and jewelry! And here I am, a foster parent, raising some of those same people's kids, getting my stipends cut. Yes, I can raise them without it since I'm a SAHM so we don't have childcare expenses, but it's just the principle.
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July 13th, 2012, 02:12 PM
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Since the EBT card can be basically the same as any other debt card(if you get cash assistance) they'd have one heck of a time stopping places from accepting it. Simply based on how it works. In essence, it IS a debt card.
Now if you only get food stamps on your EBT card, it's easier to limit, as it doesn't function the same(on the merchant end).

My feelings on the matter have always been if you can't afford it, you don't really need it-when it comes to luxuries.We all go without things we'd like all the time, and it has yet to kill us. Necessities are a different story. That's not to say people who can't afford it don't deserve non-essentials, or anything like that. But I'm more of a live within your means and if you're on someone else's dime, you've got even more responsibility to do just that, sort of person. Sometimes those things just aren't in the cards for ya, and there's not much you can do about it. Sucks, but life sucks sometimes. I don't know if I would necessarily support them changing where it can be used mostly because doing so means the entire system would likely need changed to accommodate such a change and it would be a PITA for retailers. The cash assistance given is exactly that, cash and not everyone is going to spend their cash wisely. Do I want someone who is relying on tax dollars to get an entirely free ride, including any and all luxuries? Of course not. But I'm also not certain it really matters in the end though. Not when there are fast food places, food delivery services(like schwanns, expensive as hell) and actual sit down restaurants that take food stamps.(which in some instances I agree wholeheartedly, others, not so much).

I've never received cash assistance, but when on food stamps I made certain that every dollar stretched as far as it could. Wasn't exactly my money-well that's my take on it anyway. That doesn't mean I never splurged or never got treats or things not necessarily vital for our survival. But I did limit those instances. As I believe all should. It is after all a hand up, not a hand out.
This is not true in our state. The EBT card has 2 "banks" that our grocery store checkout lines recognize are separate. When a customer comes in, and I scan, if it is a taxable item *even food, say if it's prepared* you cannot get it using your EBT foodstamp bucket. The system "knows" which bucket to pull from and so if you try to buy tobacco, for example, with the EBT foodstamps, it'll be denied. In fact, even the cash assistance will be denied if one tries to buy tobacco off the card. Obviously, if the person can access their cash assistance from an ATM, they could pay in cash for their product. BUT, just swiping the card, the systems here are designed to try to only have people use their benefits as intended.

Also where I live, there aren't any restaurants that take EBT except Papa Murphy's. That's because our state doesn't allow purchases to be made for already prepared meals. Additionally, there is a free food summer program for kids under 18. It's no questions asked, but they make you sit there with your kids and watch the kids eat. Apparently, parents were taking their kids food and eating it, or selling it, and kids were not getting the nutrition the state was paying for.

100% agree w/ the bolded

There's reasons that the State has put these rules in place. TOO many people take advantage, ruining things for those who are in such desperate need. Why should any child go hungry because their parents are on a wait list or JUST UNDER the "allowable income" limit, so that another EBT client can use her food stamps to get her nails done? It disgusts me.

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July 13th, 2012, 03:02 PM
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We can use EBT for shoes and salon visits? Sign me up!

Seriously though, our system works a lot like Lynn's. My bff who was receiving stamps for 6 people only ever got $7 a month in cash (from the actual EBT system, she might have got other cash supplements, but not from this section).
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Yup works differently in my state too. Target even has items tagged that say WIC approved. I was behind a woman in line who had something rejected as it wasn't approved. The system detected it.

I don't agree with Assistance being used for jewelry or nails. It's for necessities during hard times. And yes we all foot those bills that's were part of our taxes go. So I do care how my money is spent.
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Yup works differently in my state too. Target even has items tagged that say WIC approved. I was behind a woman in line who had something rejected as it wasn't approved. The system detected it.

I don't agree with Assistance being used for jewelry or nails. It's for necessities during hard times. And yes we all foot those bills that's were part of our taxes go. So I do care how my money is spent.
Just to clarify, EBT, food stamps, and WIC are all different. WIC is the strictest.
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