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July 18th, 2012, 07:04 PM
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I have to write a paper for my continuing ed certification on breastfeeding. So I'm doing a paper on why some view nursing uncovered in public as offensive.

So why do you think it's offensive, or if you don't, why do you think others feel it is?

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July 19th, 2012, 02:18 AM
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I think people think it's offensive because it's a bare breast. Personally, I don't view it as offensive, or sexual or really all that interesting to be honest, but others do.

That said, I got into the habit of covering up while doing it, simply because all it took was one creepy gawker to make me want to cover up. Ick.
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July 19th, 2012, 06:26 AM
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If you're out in public wearing regular clothes, the most people are going to get a view of, usually, is your back/side maybe your belly depending on how high you carry the baby. If you wear a tank underneath, I don't think anyone would even notice honestly. It's not like women take their whole top off to feed.
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July 19th, 2012, 03:51 PM
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Depends on the size of your breasts Repti, HAHA.

I'm an A cup, can't stick a baby up underneath, otherwise their entire body would be up there, it has to be done over the neckline. HELLO BOOBAGE!
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July 19th, 2012, 04:56 PM
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I don't find it offensive, but from what I understand some people have a problem with the bare breast. They see it as a sexual part of the body even if it isn't doing something sexual at the time. It's like peeing is natural, healthy, and important but men aren't supposed to whip their junk out in public.
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July 19th, 2012, 08:39 PM
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I don't find it offensive, but from what I understand some people have a problem with the bare breast. They see it as a sexual part of the body even if it isn't doing something sexual at the time. It's like peeing is natural, healthy, and important but men aren't supposed to whip their junk out in public.
I hate the urinating analogy, as much as the defecating analogy and the sex analogy that is often tossed about in NIP debates. It would be like claiming that using bottles, with artificial nipples, is analogous to "whipping out" sex toys in public.
Breastfeeding a child is NOTHING like a man whipping out his penis and pissing in the street or a woman hiking up her skirt and copping a squat. Breasts are not a sexual organ, they are, for some, an erogenous zone but, by that standard, we should all be wearing hijabs, since different people have different "hot spots" ranging from the top of their head to the tips of their toes.
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July 20th, 2012, 03:59 AM
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I hate the urinating analogy, as much as the defecating analogy and the sex analogy that is often tossed about in NIP debates. It would be like claiming that using bottles, with artificial nipples, is analogous to "whipping out" sex toys in public.
Breastfeeding a child is NOTHING like a man whipping out his penis and pissing in the street or a woman hiking up her skirt and copping a squat. Breasts are not a sexual organ, they are, for some, an erogenous zone but, by that standard, we should all be wearing hijabs, since different people have different "hot spots" ranging from the top of their head to the tips of their toes.
I wasn't saying I believe that, just that some people seem to.

I do think breasts are definitely considered a sexual part of the body. I don't see how you can compare them to the ears or toes or whatever rather than the other parts of the body that are almost universally seen as sexual. Do you not consider butts sexual either? Being attracted to boobs isn't a fetish. If they really weren't any more sexual than the back of your knee then there's no reason women shouldn't be able to walk around without their tops any time a man can.

I don't think this has to be an either/or situation. It's okay for breasts to be a sexual part of the body and for breastfeeding in public to be completely acceptable. I think it's different from peeing directly because it's eating. Eating isn't something we do in privacy. If it's perfectly okay for everyone else to eat in public it should be okay for breastfed babies as well.
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July 20th, 2012, 12:43 PM
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I wasn't saying I believe that, just that some people seem to.

I do think breasts are definitely considered a sexual part of the body. I don't see how you can compare them to the ears or toes or whatever rather than the other parts of the body that are almost universally seen as sexual.
Universally? There are plenty of instances in which the breasts are not sexualized to the extent they are in our society, or even at all. Travel around to other countries where nude beaches are the norm or consider the various tribal cultures. The American obsession with breasts is not understood by other countries, such as Europe.
Breasts are seen as sexual in our society because our society has sexualized the breast. That is why no one bats an eyelash at the site of a magazine or billboard with a half naked woman, posing seductively but will lose their minds over the site of a woman nursing a child, regardless of the fact that the women on those mags and signs are showing a lot more breast than the average nursing woman. Other societies sexualize other body parts, which is the reason some Middle Eastern cultures require women to wear a burqua.
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I don't consider butts to be sexual. Like, not at all. Just as I said about breasts, they may be an erogenous zone but they have no sexual function.
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To an extent, it most certainly is a fetish. The difference is, our society has ingrained it as normal. It's not just 'breasts', it's LARGE breasts. If you aren't born with them, go buy them.
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If they really weren't any more sexual than the back of your knee then there's no reason women shouldn't be able to walk around without their tops any time a man can.
Again, other countries are crawling with nude/topless beaches and it is not taboo, tribe cultures walk around topless and no one cares. There is no reason, other than our prude society, that should forbid women from walking around topless if men can. I see topless men with bigger breasts than a lot of women and that's fine because they aren't sexualized.
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July 20th, 2012, 02:06 PM
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Legally women CAN walk around without shirts on. Breasts are not considered "genitalia" which legally have to be covered. Just the fun fact for the day.
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July 20th, 2012, 03:25 PM
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I wasn't saying I believe that, just that some people seem to.

I do think breasts are definitely considered a sexual part of the body. I don't see how you can compare them to the ears or toes or whatever rather than the other parts of the body that are almost universally seen as sexual. Do you not consider butts sexual either? Being attracted to boobs isn't a fetish. If they really weren't any more sexual than the back of your knee then there's no reason women shouldn't be able to walk around without their tops any time a man can.

I don't think this has to be an either/or situation. It's okay for breasts to be a sexual part of the body and for breastfeeding in public to be completely acceptable. I think it's different from peeing directly because it's eating. Eating isn't something we do in privacy. If it's perfectly okay for everyone else to eat in public it should be okay for breastfed babies as well.
The breast isn't a sexual organ, it's primary function is for producing milk and feeding offspring. Not every man or woman finds the breasts sexual, they don't use the breasts during sex, to be aroused, etc. Some do, just like some find feet, hands, lips, ears, necks, etc to be sexual and are aroused by being touched or touching them. Enjoying breasts for sexual gratification is as much a fetish as enjoying feet for sexual gratification.

Like PP stated, other countries/cultures do not find breasts sexual at all and are often uncovered. Many African women walk around their villages 24/7 with their breasts out, normally so it's easier for a baby/child to suckle when they need to. I live in Europe and pretty much all beaches I've been to the women can go topless and no one bats an eye except tourists who aren't use to it (American, Canadian, English). Not only can we walk around topless, but men are able to view breasts as another part of the body during swimming and nursing, and still enjoy breasts as sexual when they are behind closed doors.
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July 20th, 2012, 04:12 PM
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When you say "covered", do you mean covered by a blanket? Most of the time I used a thin blankie when latching baby in public but not always. Once latched, we ditched the blankie because I didn't want baby to sweat.

Personally, I think people on both sides of the argument should be respectful to each other but there are always a few on both sides have the "my way or the highway" attitude. I never expected that everyone would want to see my breasts when I was NIP(and that's okay), but I also expected that most would have enough common sense to understand that I was feeding a baby. Not saying "Come here! look at my boobies!"
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July 20th, 2012, 07:26 PM
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The most simple reason that uncovered nursing is offensive to others is that they are not used to seeing it.

Insert rant about formula culture becoming the norm and a mark of prestige instead of formula being used to replace breastfeeding when it needs to.

Wikipedia quote about sexualization, from the breasts article:

Many cultures associate breasts with sexuality and tend to regard bare breasts as immodest or indecent. In some third-world cultures, like the Himba in northern Namibia, bare-breasted women are the social norm, while a woman's thigh is highly sexualised and not exposed in public. In a few Western countries female toplessness at a beach is acceptable, although it may not be acceptable in the town center. In some areas, exposing a woman's breasts applies only to the exposure of nipples.
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Universally? There are plenty of instances in which the breasts are not sexualized to the extent they are in our society, or even at all. Travel around to other countries where nude beaches are the norm or consider the various tribal cultures. The American obsession with breasts is not understood by other countries, such as Europe.
Breasts are seen as sexual in our society because our society has sexualized the breast. That is why no one bats an eyelash at the site of a magazine or billboard with a half naked woman, posing seductively but will lose their minds over the site of a woman nursing a child, regardless of the fact that the women on those mags and signs are showing a lot more breast than the average nursing woman. Other societies sexualize other body parts, which is the reason some Middle Eastern cultures require women to wear a burqua.
Well I live in Europe and we find breasts plenty sexy. We also happen to think they are good for feeding babies, something like 98% of mothers initiate breastfeeding here. There are plenty of other sexy things about the woman's body. Some like legs, others like butts. Those are all shown off in one way or the other.

After breastfeeding for few years I actually dont care much if I flash a boob. My current nurseling is tricky, sometimes I really have to whip it out and push into her mouth/face to get her attention. I do that when I know she will be hungry when there is no longer fun things happening and I cant nurse her as easily. No taking her to the car to nurse her privately either because we like public transportation here. I do try to take my surroundings into account though, there are some places I'm more discrete in than others.
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July 22nd, 2012, 07:24 AM
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Europe also seems to be more ok with nursing a baby past a year too. I really didn't notice anyone caring when I nursed ds2 at 2 years of age. And I often see toddlers nursing at the beaches here (and topless mommies).
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I know that around me, formula is seen as a miracle of modern science, therefore better than breastfeeding. So to those people, it's a choice to breastfeed and one that is going backwards, as if i was doing something right out of the dark ages.

Because of that mindset, they are uneasy with me breastfeeding in public because they feel that I choose to expose myself when I could easily use formula, which has been invented (in their eyes) to replace the need to use my breasts to feed my child.

I, on the other hand, think they are barking mad.
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July 22nd, 2012, 09:23 PM
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I don't give a **** who sees me nurse or who my child sees nurse. Not a problem at all.

My ex's family thought it was offensive because it was a boob. That's it. When I nursed in front of his little sister (Lily's aunt) she thought it was cool, but his family said it was wrong and shouldn't be showing her my privates. ***! They would put a blanket over Lily and I simply said "You dont eat with a blanket over your head... neither does she." And walk out of the room.
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