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  #1  
July 21st, 2012, 11:33 AM
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Yesterday morning, after midnight, a movie Batman: Dark Knight Rises was playing in Aurora, CO when a gunman shot over 71 people and killed 12, injured many, some of these included children the youngest injured was 3 months old.

TODAY: It's all over the news, nationwide. People are upset because CO does not have restrictive Gun-Ownership laws. Pretty much, anyone can own a gun.

Debate: Do you think that making stricter laws will help people, such as this sicko, stop doing these things, prevent tragic events such as this, or do you think if a psychopath killer wants a gun, they'll find one to do what they plan on doing no matter what?

This tragedy has turned into a debate about 2nd Amendment rights.

Personally, I feel that if people are going to do something like this, gun laws will not matter. They will find a way to get the supplies they need to commit such a crime, and stricter laws may make it to where many people who just want it for protection or hunting (BIG in CO) will not be able to get them.

What are your thoughts?



Link to one of the MANY articles covering this story which there are nationwide reports for now:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/aurora-colo...ry?id=16817842
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July 21st, 2012, 12:15 PM
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Interested to see some of the replies that this will bring. I'm not a huge fan of guns, but I do think they have a place in society.

I do not however feel that everyone should be allowed to own a gun. I'm trying to figure out how to elaborate on that... I think that here are many people who are not stable enough to own a firearm. If you have a condition that would automatically qualify you for an insanity plea... I really don't want you having the weapon in the first place.

I will admit, I don't understand the constitution yet. I haven't read it, So I don't know if the right to bear arms is all encompassing and whether mental illness is a valid and legal way to deny someone a firearm.

Even in places where there are pretty tough gun laws, people will get around it. My uncle was shot by his girlfriends ex husband, with a perfectly legal and registered hunting rifle.
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July 21st, 2012, 01:32 PM
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Guns can be bought off the black market very easily.

Gun laws will not stop this from happening. There has been a lot posted about this incident and I read somewhere that he had home made bombs in his apartment. Regardless if that is true, bombs are easy to make. My friends and I use to make them back in high school and set them off in the back yard or throw them down the sewer.

Columbine was supposed to be a bombing. The two boys built two huge bombs which thankfully were wired incorrectly because some people suspect that the bombs could have killed all 500 people in the cafeteria and brought down the library had they gone off. Then they planned to shoot anyone fleeing out of the cafeteria. What acutally happened was their plan B.

Of course, there is always media sensationalism on everything.
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July 21st, 2012, 01:42 PM
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Yes, there were bombs. They have deactivated at least one and have been working on others. I haven't turned on the news to find out if they've gotten others. He had the whole place booby trapped to blow up his apartment building.

http://www.koaa.com/news/detonation-...artment-today/



UPDATE: looks like they got 2....

http://www.koaa.com/news/bomb-squads...ore-to-disarm/
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July 21st, 2012, 02:05 PM
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Changing the laws won't do anything against someone who is intent on killing. Canada has a gun registry and the only firearms that are supposed to be licensed are for hunting purposes. That didn't stop a block party from becoming fatal:

Arrest made in Toronto block party shooting | Metro

Over 50% of Toronto's homicides so far in 2012 have been shootings:

Toronto Police Service :: To Serve and Protect

Changing the laws may make obtaining guns a bit harder but not impossible. This is just a knee jerk reaction to a terrible tragedy.
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July 21st, 2012, 02:10 PM
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Not to sound insensitive to the events recently. Because they are a great tragedy. But changing the gun laws and striping the 2nd amendment rights will make little to no difference. Most people are sensible and stable enough to own guns and not do stupid things. I personally own several. If he didn't have a gun, and he really wanted to do something bad, he would have found other ways. I dont think its right to remove the rights of the people like that. It defeats what our country was founded on.
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July 21st, 2012, 02:19 PM
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I agree the psychos will find a way to get guns, gun laws or not. I don't see how restrictive gun laws would stop something like this from happening. However, allowing law abiding citizens to own guns can and has saved lives when one of these people start shooting. In this situation someone else in the theater having a gun probably wouldn't have helped much as it would be so easy to accidentally shoot someone else panicking, but in a less crowded situation it could have.

I do think people who have committed a violent crime or who have a mental disorder shouldn't be allowed to own guns. I don't think just being on an anti-depressant should be enough to disqualify you if you can prove you are on it for another reason. I am on one for chronic chest pain, the dose isn't even strong enough to have an effect as an anti-depressant (I take 25mg, the dose for depression is 100mg), but in some states I wouldn't be able to get a gun or a CCP.
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July 21st, 2012, 08:33 PM
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Norway has fairly strict gun laws and a ban on automatic weapons and we all saw what happened there last year. When determined criminals want to kill people, they will. Tightening gun laws will only affect people who own their guns legally in the first place. Criminals with unregistered guns won't be affected.
This guy intended to kill a lot of people. If he didn't have a gun then he would have made up for it by setting up more bombs in the movie theater.
God be with the families of the victims, but that man was determined that those people were going to die one way or the other.
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July 21st, 2012, 09:42 PM
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Determination is a ***** and no law in this, or any country, can stop her.

Although you don't need to be psycho to be determined, it certainly helps when people put laws in place they believe will stop you.

The laws aren't so much a preventative as they are "what the hell are we doing to do after it happens" effect, we obviously know it can and probably will happen-else the laws would not exist. Because of the laws, we can punish after the fact and some very well may rethink before committing it, but we certainly cannot prevent it all, or even most of it. That much is abundantly clear.

So no, stricter laws probably wouldn't have prevented this(we can't say for certain of course). Just like they don't prevent any other crime committed.

Hopefully that does not come across crass or snarky, as it's most definitely a senseless tragedy, one of so very many this world has seen, and it's not intended to make light of it or lessen how tragic it truly is.
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July 22nd, 2012, 06:30 AM
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If you criminalize guns, only criminals will have the guns. Crazies like this will find a way to get guns no matter what. Making stricter gun laws, or actually banning guns only makes their victims weaker, as they now can't legally have an equal defense. You know the old saying "You don't bring a knife to a gun fight?"

The acts of a few crazies should not impede MY RIGHTS. This is horrible, tragic, and a blatant abuse of the 2nd amendment, but that doesn't mean we should do away with it completely. People abuse the 1st amendment like crazy (I.E Westboro Baptist Church) but that doesn't mean we should restrict that one too. The argument is valid too, because speech is a weapon just like guns.

No matter what restrictions, tests, blah blah blah the gov puts in place it won't change the fact that criminals WILL get them. Laws only apply to law-abiding people.
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It's a joke. Until a couple of years ago, it was illegal to own a gun in DC, and it still has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. Yet DC has one of the highest murder rates in the country. So obviously very strict gun laws are preventing the bad guys from owning guns.

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If you criminalize guns, only criminals will have the guns. Crazies like this will find a way to get guns no matter what. Making stricter gun laws, or actually banning guns only makes their victims weaker, as they now can't legally have an equal defense. You know the old saying "You don't bring a knife to a gun fight?"

The acts of a few crazies should not impede MY RIGHTS. This is horrible, tragic, and a blatant abuse of the 2nd amendment, but that doesn't mean we should do away with it completely. People abuse the 1st amendment like crazy (I.E Westboro Baptist Church) but that doesn't mean we should restrict that one too. The argument is valid too, because speech is a weapon just like guns.

No matter what restrictions, tests, blah blah blah the gov puts in place it won't change the fact that criminals WILL get them. Laws only apply to law-abiding people.
This.

My friend was in the theater, and she knew someone that was killed. Im SO thankful that she survived and feel for the people who didnt. It's tragic. But do I want laws to change? HELL NO. I respect guns, SO is a gun owner... I learned to shoot guns in high school in JROTC. I dont want my rights to own one be stripped because of the crazies.
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July 23rd, 2012, 10:45 AM
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I live in Colorado. I have my concealed carry permit. I own a hand gun and I have been trained how to safely use it. I don't really every carry it but I like knowing that I could if I wanted to. I am not in favor of stricter gun control laws.
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July 24th, 2012, 10:38 AM
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I guess what I would like to know is why is it when there is a shooting like the one in Colorado, all the anti NRA advocates come out in droves and Jesse Jackson has made an appearance at a theater to politicize the gun issue further. But with all the gun violence in Chicago lately, hardly a peep from the anti gun people or Jackson.
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July 25th, 2012, 09:10 AM
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It is because of the publicity the shooting in Colorado is getting. Everybody has been talking about the shooting us thus it is an opening for politics on both sides of the issue. Acts of violence occur all the time all across the country and many crimes involve guns but it doesn't provide the same platform that such a shooting rampage does.
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Taking the guns away from the good people isn't going to stop all the bad guys from having them. If everyone owned a gun the crime rate would drop. This is the government looking for more excuses to take our rights away. Just like with 9/11, everyone was scared so we sacrificed our liberty to feel "safer." Didn't really work did it.
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I think the incident in Norway, this Batman incident, Columbine, and most other public massacres are not the same as every day gun crimes. Nor, do I think that drug caused gun crimes are the same as every day crimes.

I personally think that weapons should be strict. I don't think hunting weapons should be taken away, but I do think that having a gun in your home, vehicle or on your person should be stricter than they are now.

Recently a man was standing in line at a department store. An argument broke out between himself and another person standing in line, and he pulled out a gun on him. THAT is why I think gun laws should be stricter. Think of it as road rage. You're on the freeway and you accidentally cut off a car from the on ramp. Not dramatically, but just enough to cause the other car to back off or slow down. An average person would grumble under their breath, maybe say a few insults, but not freak out.

The road rage person would speed up, flip you off, cut you off, try to run you off the road. I've seen it happen several times. Someone gets really upset and loses total control over their actions, sometime causing harm to the other car. Can you imagine cutting in line at Walmart, and the road rage person behind you having a loaded gun? AHHH!

Something needs to be done in general though. But as I said, tightening gun laws should specifically target those that lose control when they're upset, not massacres or drug incidents as those are bound to happen anywhere there are guns.
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I think the incident in Norway, this Batman incident, Columbine, and most other public massacres are not the same as every day gun crimes. Nor, do I think that drug caused gun crimes are the same as every day crimes.

I personally think that weapons should be strict. I don't think hunting weapons should be taken away, but I do think that having a gun in your home, vehicle or on your person should be stricter than they are now.

Recently a man was standing in line at a department store. An argument broke out between himself and another person standing in line, and he pulled out a gun on him. THAT is why I think gun laws should be stricter. Think of it as road rage. You're on the freeway and you accidentally cut off a car from the on ramp. Not dramatically, but just enough to cause the other car to back off or slow down. An average person would grumble under their breath, maybe say a few insults, but not freak out.

The road rage person would speed up, flip you off, cut you off, try to run you off the road. I've seen it happen several times. Someone gets really upset and loses total control over their actions, sometime causing harm to the other car. Can you imagine cutting in line at Walmart, and the road rage person behind you having a loaded gun? AHHH!

Something needs to be done in general though. But as I said, tightening gun laws should specifically target those that lose control when they're upset, not massacres or drug incidents as those are bound to happen anywhere there are guns.
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[QUOTE=Duckie.;26442999]I think the incident in Norway, this Batman incident, Columbine, and most other public massacres are not the same as every day gun crimes. Nor, do I think that drug caused gun crimes are the same as every day crimes.

I personally think that weapons should be strict. I don't think hunting weapons should be taken away, but I do think that having a gun in your home, vehicle or on your person should be stricter than they are now.

Recently a man was standing in line at a department store. An argument broke out between himself and another person standing in line, and he pulled out a gun on him. THAT is why I think gun laws should be stricter. Think of it as road rage. You're on the freeway and you accidentally cut off a car from the on ramp. Not dramatically, but just enough to cause the other car to back off or slow down. An average person would grumble under their breath, maybe say a few insults, but not freak out.

The road rage person would speed up, flip you off, cut you off, try to run you off the road. I've seen it happen several times. Someone gets really upset and loses total control over their actions, sometime causing harm to the other car. Can you imagine cutting in line at Walmart, and the road rage person behind you having a loaded gun? AHHH!

Something needs to be done in general though. But as I said, tightening gun laws should specifically target those that lose control when they're upset, not massacres or drug incidents as those are bound to happen anywhere there are guns.[/QUOTE

I would be willing to bet the person who points a loaded gun at someone on the freeway, probably doesn't have it legally. Just a hunch.
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I would be willing to bet the person who points a loaded gun at someone on the freeway, probably doesn't have it legally. Just a hunch.
This. Those that are using guns for real protection don't generally get pissed and wave their guns around because someone cut them off in line at Walmart. Those people dont generally get CC permits because "****, if someone cuts me off in line or on the road, **** THEM MAN!"

Gun laws dont need to be stricter... there will ALWAYS be guns. There will ALWAYS be CRIMINALS with guns. I dont understand why law abiding citizens who want to protect themselves should have a harder time carrying a gun because lets say, that ******* illegally carrying a gun decides to point a gun at someone in a store.
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