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  #101  
August 9th, 2012, 02:55 PM
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I am a Catholic. I never claimed to be speaking for all Christians. However, how can a Christian support gay marriage?
Because many Christians don't believe that the Bible says anything about homosexuality.

Same Bible, Different Verdict On Gay Marriage : NPR
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August 9th, 2012, 03:54 PM
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However, how can a Christian support gay marriage?
Easy. By standing in the voting booth and checking the box in support of it.
Not all christians follow the same teachings.
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Because many Christians don't believe that the Bible says anything about homosexuality.

Same Bible, Different Verdict On Gay Marriage : NPR

Exactly! Plus we recognize that the Bible was written in a completely different era. For example, the whole idea of not divorcing your spouse. God was upset during that time because men were leaving their wives for any little reason & not supporting them or their children. It wasn't about you should stay married to the jerk forever because that was what God wants. It was that women were being abandoned in a society that then made them unwanted by other men. So they were left to starve.


Also it has been translated over & over again into languages that didn't translate on word for one word. So in some places the true meaning was lost. If the Bible were to be re-written in modern times, it would be a very different book.
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August 14th, 2012, 07:51 AM
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Exactly! Plus we recognize that the Bible was written in a completely different era. For example, the whole idea of not divorcing your spouse. God was upset during that time because men were leaving their wives for any little reason & not supporting them or their children. It wasn't about you should stay married to the jerk forever because that was what God wants. It was that women were being abandoned in a society that then made them unwanted by other men. So they were left to starve.


Also it has been translated over & over again into languages that didn't translate on word for one word. So in some places the true meaning was lost. If the Bible were to be re-written in modern times, it would be a very different book.
Exactly.

In some passages of the bible, as women we are nothing more than possessions. We've certainly come a long way from that. If it's unChristian to support Gay Marriage, it's probably just as UnChristian to vote and express my opinion. I'm not going to let a several thousand year old book tell me what is right and wrong. My moral conscience is pretty good at picking them out itself.

Oh, and my shirt is unChristian.. it's a cotton polyester blend. If we are going to pick and choose the important verses and ignore the rest, I say we all go back to wearing 100% clothing and ignore the passages on homosexuality instead.

I'll never in my life claim to be a good Christian, because while I do think I AM a Christian, I don't live my life by religion, it just fits into my life. I do claim however to be a decent human being, and by doing that I will not restrict my fellow man/woman as long as they are not harming anyone. Homosexuality harms NO ONE.



This is probably another debate in it's entirety... but I find it absolutely ironic that Homosexuality is a sin, but look at the number of sexual abuse and molestation charges brought against members of churches... one would think that children being molested would be much more important than two men or two women getting married?
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I found this site. Haven't done a ton of reading on it but found this interesting:

A brief description of the anti-gay clobber passages in the Hebrew Scriptures
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This is probably another debate in it's entirety... but I find it absolutely ironic that Homosexuality is a sin, but look at the number of sexual abuse and molestation charges brought against members of churches... one would think that children being molested would be much more important than two men or two women getting married?

I can only speak for my religion - the Catholic Church - but it is much more of a priority. All you would have to do to see this would be to look at how much money, time and manpower is being spent on fixing, preventing and dealing with sexual abuse in the Church. The fact is that people are heavily influenced by what they see, hear and read in the media. The media reports stories that people like to hear and the fact is people are much more interested in hearing about cases of abuse than they are about all the Church is doing to remedy and prevent the best they can.
The fact that you said "charges brought against members of churches" rather than charges against solely the Catholic Church indicates to me that you aren't so influenced by the media. I can't find the poll now but I saw one that asked people what chuch group had the greatest proportion of abuse cases and something like 90+% said the Catholic Church - which is not true - but to understand that, all you have to do is compare the number of news stories about abuse in the Catholic Church vs stories about other religious groups.
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I can only speak for my religion - the Catholic Church - but it is much more of a priority. All you would have to do to see this would be to look at how much money, time and manpower is being spent on fixing, preventing and dealing with sexual abuse in the Church. The fact is that people are heavily influenced by what they see, hear and read in the media. The media reports stories that people like to hear and the fact is people are much more interested in hearing about cases of abuse than they are about all the Church is doing to remedy and prevent the best they can.
The fact that you said "charges brought against members of churches" rather than charges against solely the Catholic Church indicates to me that you aren't so influenced by the media. I can't find the poll now but I saw one that asked people what chuch group had the greatest proportion of abuse cases and something like 90+% said the Catholic Church - which is not true - but to understand that, all you have to do is compare the number of news stories about abuse in the Catholic Church vs stories about other religious groups.
I'm not niave enough to think it is just the Catholic church. Ive seen it across all denominations. But my point was right now with sexual abuse in the church (and in peoples homes) two men wanting to get married is the least of worries. Especially since laws aren't to be religious based. There is nothing that should be illegial about marrying anyone of legal consenting age.

I have yet to have a religious person give me a non religion based answer to WHY gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married.
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August 17th, 2012, 10:39 AM
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I have yet to have a religious person give me a non religion based answer to WHY gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married.
I get that - and this is a whole other issue. I was just pointing out that ending, preventing, and dealing with abuse issues is a much bigger priorty for some faiths - it just may not be so obvious because it isn't in the media.
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August 21st, 2012, 03:06 PM
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I'm not niave enough to think it is just the Catholic church. Ive seen it across all denominations. But my point was right now with sexual abuse in the church (and in peoples homes) two men wanting to get married is the least of worries. Especially since laws aren't to be religious based. There is nothing that should be illegial about marrying anyone of legal consenting age.

I have yet to have a religious person give me a non religion based answer to WHY gay people shouldn't be allowed to get married.
It's because we religious folk have no better answer. Lol
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