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  #21  
September 5th, 2012, 08:18 PM
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I think it's incredibly stupid for a parent to knowingly break any law. Whether pot SHOULD be legal or not is beside the point, because it currently is. There have been cases of kids getting removed from their homes because of parental marijuana use. A stupid reason to remove a child? Maybe, but definitely not something I'd ever risk my kids for.
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^Marijuana is not illegal where I live. I still think it's risky to the baby.
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September 5th, 2012, 08:43 PM
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Same here it's decriminalized.
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I am sitting here like this o.O while reading this.

If *I* smoked some weed, I better make sure there was another adult present because weed DOES have negative effects on *me*. I twitch, I get paranoid, I zone out, I've even been nauseated from it. There is no way I could care for my children if I was high, no freakin' way.

Just because you like the effect that smoking pot has on you, doesn't mean that there are no negative effects for anybody. Don't get me wrong, I think there are legitimate MEDICAL reasons why a person might need it, but beyond that, I do not believe it should be used recreationally.

I also don't agree with somebody smoking weed while pregnant. I would imagine that filling a pregnant woman's lungs with smoke would, in turn, cut off some of the oxygen going to her baby. Have there been studies done on if it crosses the placenta or not? Like a previous poster stated, just because it's natural doesn't automatically make it safe. YOU might want to believe that there are zero negative side effects but the truth is, you don't know.
Yes, marijuana like any substance, including caffeine and sugar (I know many people who can not eat too much chocolate because it has a negative effect on them, and they get "high" so to speak) can bring negative effects.

What a lot of people don't realize is that the way you smoke (or ingest) and the KIND you smoke makes for a different high. Just like alcohol. You might get a buzz off of a couple of beers, but a shot of vodka could make you drunk. Those crazy names for marijuana have a lot to do with the kind it is and what kind of high you will receive. Some weed makes you relax, some gives energy, some makes you hungry. Smoking a joint gives me a vastly different high than smoking from a bong.

I've been so high that I've felt the same way, paranoid, uncomfortable, twitchy, but then again I've also felt that way drunk.

As for the studies proving that either THC does or does not effect a fetus through the placenta, well that all goes back to the government, isn't anyone else wondering why there are no studies done about marijuana (probably the most widely used substance in the world) effects on babies? Same reason why most of those studies are done independently and out of the country (and most have found NO effect on children whatsoever). Even "studies" that are quoted in major articles claiming that smoking is bad for fetus' will say that there isn't enough conclusive evidence to state either in favor or not in favor.

Yes, smoke does cut of oxygen, that is a given. The women in the study by Melanie Dreher didn't smoke marijuana they steeped it as a tea. That's why I used a vaporizer during my pregnancy. Turns the smoke into water vapor.

Unfortunately, until people start educating themselves on marijuana there will always be a stigma on it. Sheep will follow what they are taught, health classes really are harming our children more than it is helping.
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As for the studies proving that either THC does or does not effect a fetus through the placenta, well that all goes back to the government, isn't anyone else wondering why there are no studies done about marijuana (probably the most widely used substance in the world) effects on babies? Same reason why most of those studies are done independently and out of the country (and most have found NO effect on children whatsoever). Even "studies" that are quoted in major articles claiming that smoking is bad for fetus' will say that there isn't enough conclusive evidence to state either in favor or not in favor.
Regardless of why there is inconclusive evidence, there is inconclusive evidence. I'm not going to do something that can potentially harm my unborn child just because I'm upset at the government.
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I'm always torn over legalizing Pot. I really don't care if other adults want to do pot.

I'd much prefer if it was an ingestion legalization though. Narcotics of any kind (pain killers too) make my heart rate go up and honestly I'd be afraid I'd end up dying or something if people were smoking it around me (remember, not all smoke is second hand, smoke does come off the burning joint which is pure, not filtered by someone's lungs). I also really don't think that children should be getting high, while there may be no major side effects on adults, I'm thinking it cannot be healthy for a toddler to be around marijuana smoke.

As for during pregnancy... I'd need to see studies on the different ways to consume it and whether it had any major effects on the fetus compared to current pharmaceuticals.
I hear you and agree with smoking during pregnancy, but do you really consider pot a narcotic?
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Regardless of why there is inconclusive evidence, there is inconclusive evidence. I'm not going to do something that can potentially harm my unborn child just because I'm upset at the government.
The point I was trying to accomplish is that there ARE studies that have been done, unfortunately many of them are not widely known because they are independent and done outside of the country. A widespread study done in this country would never make it to the news unless it was negative. All of the good studies you would have to search for and many are not published on the internet. Every study I've read has proved that there is no difference between a child who was not exposed to THC and ones that were.

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The point I was trying to accomplish is that there ARE studies that have been done, unfortunately many of them are not widely known because they are independent and done outside of the country. A widespread study done in this country would never make it to the news unless it was negative. All of the good studies you would have to search for and many are not published on the internet. Every study I've read has proved that there is no difference between a child who was not exposed to THC and ones that were.

As to whether I feel its safe or not, I don't know as I haven't spent much time reading up but I noticed that the one study you posted a link to is just about 20 years old(1998).
A later study(2010) suggests that smoking pot could impact fetal growth. Also, this study is from outside the US.

Pot smoking during pregnancy may stunt fetal growth | Reuters
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I hear you and agree with smoking during pregnancy, but do you really consider pot a narcotic?
I'm gonna play the uneducated card. I haven't done ANY research on Marijuana since 9th grade, and it was taught to us as a narcotic. It's also listed among the list of Narcotics I cannot take with out additional meds to counter act the side effects on my medical records, between Dilaudid and Morphine (which also happens to make me itchy as I learned last year) so I dunno, doctors in two countries considered it one on my charts too.

I stand by my comment. I'm fine with pot, as long as it's not being smoked (or fed to me). I think adults should be able to do as they wish with their own bodies, as long as it doesn't bring harm anyone else.
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I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety at the age of 4. I started taking anti-depressents and anxiety depression in elementary school. I've taken a total of 7 throughout my childhood and I HATED the way they made me feel. When I was in high school, I discovered Marijuana. I started smoking occasionally, and found that I no longer needed to take my medication as smoking a little was aleviating my daily struggles, but also eliminating the awful side effects of the prescription drugs.

I have smoked at least once a week for the last 9 years. I did not smoke during pregnancy or while breastfeeding with my daughters as I was able to wean myself off and dealt with my anxiety/depression unmedicated during that time.

With my son however, I tried to do the same. I became very angry, I started to envision myself hurting my daughters and myself. I remember when I was about 8 weeks pregnant with him, my boyfriend handed me a cup of tea that he had just made for me and my first instinct was to throw it at the wall. I stopped working at 10 weeks because my anxiety was so out of control that I could barely drive to work. I cried myself to sleep almost every night, I sometimes wished that my pregnancy would end on it's own. It was horrible.

When I told my OB, he prescribed me Zoloft. I took it for a month, and dealt with the awful side effects, but I researched it. What I found scared the hell out of me.

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According to a 2007 study, pregnant women who are prescribed Zoloft are twice as likely to give birth to a child with heart defects. The most commonly reported heart defects among women who used Zoloft during pregnancy were ventricular outflow defects and septal defects. Women taking Zoloft while pregnant were nearly twice as likely to give birth to a baby suffering from craniosynostosis (sutures in the skull close too early) and six times more likely to give birth to a child with omphalocele (abdominal organs protrude from the belly button).

When taken during the third trimester of pregnancy, Zoloft users are six times more likely to give birth to a child with persistent pulmonary hypertension of the newborn (PPHN). This condition causes circulation problems which make it difficult for oxygen to reach the bloodstream. Although PPHN can be treated with surgery, the condition can cause lifetime developmental difficulties, as well as heart failure, kidney failure, seizures, hemorrhages, organ damage or death.
Seeing these side effects, I knew I had to find an alternative. Not taking my medication was simply not an option... I knew I would end up on the news as one of those moms that went psycho one day.

So, I went back to Marijuana during my second trimester. I smoked about once or twice a week, sometimes not at all, sometimes more. I researched this HEAVILY and felt confident that I was making the right decision.

I live in an area that it is almost legal. Of the 10 neighbors in my apartment building at my complex, 8 of us smoke. All of my friends smoke. Most of my family that is my age smoke it. People walk around town here smoking it like a cigarette and the police focus on crime rather than arrest someone for having it. It's also legal to use medicinally here.

I don't think lighting up a bong on a daily basis is a good idea, but using it for medicine is fine by me.

I'm not smoking it now beacuse my anxiety has calmed down since giving birth, and I don't like doing it with an infant, but once my son is a few months older, I'll go back to it. It's the only thing that has worked for me.. and believe me, I've tried just about everything on the market. It helps me live a normal life.
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Were you ever put on xanax? You mention alot of other medication's but that one. Just curious, Because It's a miracle for my panic disorder i've been on it since i was 17. The last time i smoked pot in 2009 it threw me right into an anxiety attack and i use to smoke it daily,never again. Now i took xanax through my whole pregnancy,because well the risk's were to high for myself and baby to stop.
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My doctor tried to put me on zoloft a long time ago,he wrote the prescription out and my mom wouldn't let me take it. I'm glad she did seeing all of the effects it has. Scary stuff there. Sorry if i hijacked this thread i just feel for anyone that deals with anxiety because it's tough to go through. <3
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Were you ever put on xanax? You mention alot of other medication's but that one. Just curious, Because It's a miracle for my panic disorder i've been on it since i was 17. The last time i smoked pot in 2009 it threw me right into an anxiety attack and i use to smoke it daily,never again. Now i took xanax through my whole pregnancy,because well the risk's were to high for myself and baby to stop.
Yes, I've been on Xanax. I was also on a mood stabilizer that had such hard side effects that even though I stopped taking it when I was 6 weeks pregnant with my older daughter, I still had to see a perintologist and have several ultrasounds done at 20-something weeks to ensure that none of the side effects were present.

Again, not taking medication was not an option with my son, but taking it was also taking a massive risk. Smoking marijuana has time and time again shown little/no risk. The only side effects I found after spending hours and hours researching, was that babies born after marijuana use in utero had a slightly smaller head. So small, that it was found to be inconclusive and was never reported. Also, children that were in utero during marijuana use were found to be more outgoing, more relaxed and able to focus on activities longer.

Of course, the studies are few and far between, but I chose something with little/no known side effects, than something that can be damaging or fatal.

Also, my use around my children is only at night after they are asleep in bed and I have another adult in the house to care for them in the event of an emergency. If I'm alone with them, I don't smoke, and if they are awake, I don't smoke. I am not smoking now because I'm not comfortable with it around a newborn, and I don't really feel the need at the moment.
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Duckie, your case is something that I don't see any problem with. You've looked at the options. You've tried to control it other ways. And only when that failed did you resort to something that may or may not be safe when those risks were better than the risks of not taking anything.
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Duckie, your case is something that I don't see any problem with. You've looked at the options. You've tried to control it other ways. And only when that failed did you resort to something that may or may not be safe when those risks were better than the risks of not taking anything.
Why is it any different for her (kudos to you Duckie as well for finding something that works for you! You added a great response to this post!) and not for someone else who did not try to control whatever they are using marijuana to medicate during their pregnancy? People can do research and choose to not experiment with things that are proven to harm fetus' and choose something that has no conclusive evidence that does. Just wondering.

Also as something that has been used for hundreds of years for various reasons, I really, truly think that if there were any issues associated with smoking marijuana during pregnancy would have been brought to light by now. It isn't taking too long for birth defects to be brought to light with other substances and medicines, why marijuana? Words for thought.
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Why is it any different for her (kudos to you Duckie as well for finding something that works for you! You added a great response to this post!) and not for someone else who did not try to control whatever they are using marijuana to medicate during their pregnancy? People can do research and choose to not experiment with things that are proven to harm fetus' and choose something that has no conclusive evidence that does. Just wondering.

Also as something that has been used for hundreds of years for various reasons, I really, truly think that if there were any issues associated with smoking marijuana during pregnancy would have been brought to light by now. It isn't taking too long for birth defects to be brought to light with other substances and medicines, why marijuana? Words for thought.
I have never said people should take something that has been proven to harm fetus' over marijuana.
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Duckie, your case is something that I don't see any problem with. You've looked at the options. You've tried to control it other ways. And only when that failed did you resort to something that may or may not be safe when those risks were better than the risks of not taking anything.
Maybe not so directly, but I feel there isn't a need to try to control something in other ways when there is something that has no conclusive evidence that proves that it harms a fetus. There are many new medications out there right now that are being prescribed to expecting mothers that have no evidence of harm to fetus' because they have not been studied at all. Only 15 years ago Prozac was considered not harmful and look how that turned out. To each their own though. I'd just rather take something that I can grow in my backyard, something natural, rather than chemicals made in a lab.
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Maybe not so directly, but I feel there isn't a need to try to control something in other ways when there is something that has no conclusive evidence that proves that it harms a fetus. There are many new medications out there right now that are being prescribed to expecting mothers that have no evidence of harm to fetus' because they have not been studied at all. Only 15 years ago Prozac was considered not harmful and look how that turned out. To each their own though. I'd just rather take something that I can grow in my backyard, something natural, rather than chemicals made in a lab.
The other ways I was talking about are dealing with her issues in an unmedicated fashion like with her first children. No there isn't any conclusive evidence that says it harms a fetus but as far as I know there isn't any conclusive evidence that says it doesn't either. I think anything that hasn't been proven safe should be used as a last resort. I also don't think natural automatically equals better. Nature has been killing people off way longer than modern medicine.
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Also as something that has been used for hundreds of years for various reasons,
I really, truly think that if there were any issues associated with smoking
marijuana during pregnancy would have been brought to light by now.
I think the possibility that it could stunt fetal growth is certainly something to take into consideration. I posted the link to the Netherland study a few posts.

And again, I'm not saying I'm for or against because whether one medicates by prescription or naturally, I don't believe anything comes without risks.
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