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December 7th, 2012, 11:07 PM
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Have you all been following this in the news? Here is the basic gist of what happened:

1. Kate Middleton is pregnant (congrats to her!), but she's been in the hospital for the last week or so due to acute morning sickness. She was staying at the King Edward VII Hospital, which is the hospital of choice for the royal family.

2. Two radio DJ's from Australia called the hospital as a prank, pretending to be Prince Charles and the Queen of England. They asked to speak to Kate. A nurse named Jacintha Saldanha was duped by their act and put the call through. Subsequently, another nurse divulged private details about Kate's condition, which were then broadcast on the radio.

3. In the wake of the scandal, Jacintha Saldanha (the nurse, who was a married woman and a mother of two) has died under suspicious circumstances. Mounting evidence suggests that she committed suicide.

Here is an article describing this situation in more detail: Australian DJs royal prank broke no laws, says CEO | UK news | guardian.co.uk

The question is: do you think that these two radio DJ's, and/or their parent radio station, should be held responsible for Ms. Saldanha's death? Is this type of prank call really deplorable, or just harmless fun? Who, if anyone, is really to be blame for this tragedy?
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December 7th, 2012, 11:29 PM
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Do you think that these two radio DJ's, and/or their parent radio station, should be held responsible for Ms. Saldanha's death? Is this type of prank call really deplorable, or just harmless fun? Who, if anyone, is really to be blame for this tragedy?
I am not sure how they'd be held "responsible' other than by their employers....especially since they are presumably not even in that country. I do think it is deplorable to try to be fraudulent to get a healthcare professional to divulge private medical information about another & then even worse to share the info publicly. So no, I do NOT see this as harmless fun.

I don't who is to blame for the tragedy. While I think this obviously would have caused her serious distress, it is not what caused suicide. You don't take a person with decent coping skills & many reasons to live (including two children) AND create a suicidal person. She isn't even the one who divulged anything, she simply patched the call through to a duty nurse. It would seem far more likely she was already suicidal, but hanging in there & this helped push her over that edge.
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December 7th, 2012, 11:48 PM
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I am not sure how they'd be held "responsible' other than by their employers....especially since they are presumably not even in that country. I do think it is deplorable to try to be fraudulent to get a healthcare professional to divulge private medical information about another & then even worse to share the info publicly. So no, I do NOT see this as harmless fun.

I don't who is to blame for the tragedy. While I think this obviously would have caused her serious distress, it is not what caused suicide. You don't take a person with decent coping skills & many reasons to live (including two children) AND create a suicidal person. She isn't even the one who divulged anything, she simply patched the call through to a duty nurse. It would seem far more likely she was already suicidal, but hanging in there & this helped push her over that edge.
Yeah, I agree. I also assumed that there must be far more to this story than we are being told, though I was speculating that perhaps her managers at the hospital were berating her, attempting to place the blame on her, threatening to fire her, etc. Apparently the royal family hasn't complained about the incident at all, so if anyone was antagonizing her it must have been hospital personnel.
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December 8th, 2012, 11:30 AM
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There are too many holes so far in the information to make a really good opinion.

I know that those radio hosts should be ashamed of themselves, regardless of her death. I'd have to hear the radio broadcast to see if they even made decent attempt of sounding like the queen or not, but really, Impersonating the queen to get information about a sick princess.. is just low.
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December 8th, 2012, 01:53 PM
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What they did was not right, and likely unlawful(I'm not familiar enough with UK or Aussie law to know for certain). Was it actually harmful though? I'm not convinced it was. But that's what laws are there for, to help us distinguish such things. Yes, they should be ashamed, and frankly I'm not certain I'm the best person to decide what should happen to them for their prank.

Are they responsible for the woman's death? Absolutely not, imo. That doesn't mean what they did was right, by any stretch, as it was NOT. But I do not believe for one moment this woman was already suicidal, and therefore this incident pushed her over the edge. I think outside forces were at play.
I also don't believe for one moment that the palace did not, has not, will not complain about the incident either. Even friends I have that live over there find it terribly difficult to believe most of what they say. That's not to say any complaint they did, do, will or would have, would be the driving force behind a woman's death. But it's certainly not out of the realm of possible. Not by a long shot.

Too many holes in this story, too many.

It's tragic no matter how you look at it, period.
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December 8th, 2012, 02:56 PM
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2dayFM should absolutely be held responsible. They have a very long track record of this type of behaviour and it would be about time that they are actually held up to some kind of responsibility. This is not their first stunt. In fact, they are currently serving two 5year license suspensions over past pranks they have pulled on members of the general public.

The time that a 14yr old girl was strapped to a lie detector and was forced to admit that she was raped live on air

The time that a discussion was had comparing an Australian actress's weight loss to concentration camp victims

This time last year when a journalist was berated on air and her life threatened

Amongst the competitions to find men with small penises, mocking a deformed child born overseas, a prank call to a schoolgirl who received a perfect test score telling her it was a mistake, telling a family of a disabled child that they were giving them $150,000 for the child's care, which turned out to be a hoax (list and details in this article)

Should the DJs themselves be vilified? Probably not. Should the radio station be held partially responsible and be properly investigated for their decades of appalling behaviour? Absolutely.

There was NO POSSIBLE WAY that this prank wasn't going to have some type of negative consequence for this woman. Even if her suicide could not be predicted, it was pretty obvious that she would have had to face some type of disciplinary action, and that she would be mocked worldwide, that is a huge thing to put on an average person, regardless of their state of mental health. Media outlets around the world were mocking her. The prank was pre-recorded, after it went too far and it was obvious that she fell for it, it should not have gone to air.



Frackel, the station is being investigated for this due to breech of Australian broadcasting rights, so no, it was not lawful here.
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December 8th, 2012, 10:48 PM
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I think the prank and the suicide are two different things. I do think the radio station/DJ's should face consequences for the prank. I would think this regardless of what happened after. Impersonating a member of royalty in order to get privileged information has to fall under some sort of espionage law.

As far as the suicide, I don't think they are responsible for that. A normal person would not react that way just for putting a call through that they shouldn't have. If she decided to take it to that extreme that's on her.
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