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December 26th, 2012, 07:15 AM
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The NRA has taken a stance that we should be tracking our mentally ill people the same as we do sex offenders:

NRA Takes Fire for Stance on Mental Illness - Yahoo! News


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In a news conference last week, NRA CEO Wayne LaPierre repeatedly used the word "monsters" and "insane" to describe people who carry out mass shootings.

And during an interview this weekend on "Meet the Press" LaPierre used the word lunatic "as a catchphrase for those who commit violent crimes," the APA said.

In his news conference, LaPierre blamed the tragedy on Hollywood, the media, video games and the courts. His remarks also appeared to explicitly scapegoat those with mental illness.

"How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame ?" LaPierre said. "A dozen more killers? A hundred? More? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation's refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill?"

APA's President Dr. Dilip Jeste said in a statement over the weekend that LaPierre's comments were unfair and inaccurate.

"Only 4 to 5 percent of violent crimes are committed by people with mental illness," Jeste said. "About one quarter of all Americans have a mental disorder in any given year, and only a very small percentage of them will ever commit violent crimes."
Would a mentally ill registry help our country?
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December 27th, 2012, 08:26 AM
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How mentally ill would someone have to be to be put on the list? Would depression be a listable offense, given that people have killed their children because of PPD or killed others because of depression? Granted, usually these cases are combined with other illnesses/stress factors, but depression is common in murderers (I'd be depressed if I had the urge to kill people). How exactly would that help people get treatment for their illness when they could potentially be regarded as a murderer without harming anyone?

If I was pro-gun, I'd be pissed at the NRA for making pro-gun people look bad. I expect LaPierre to be the guy who locks his wife in a room and tells her to "rest until she feels better" a la The Yellow Wallpaper.
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December 27th, 2012, 09:02 AM
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According to this, 38 states already have a database
The NRA wants an ‘active’ mental illness database. Thirty-eight states have that now.

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Turns out, many states are ahead of him: 38 states require or authorize the use of certain mental health records for use in a firearm background check, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence, a San Francisco-based nonprofit that tracks state level gun legislation.
My favorite part of his little speech was when he blamed video games, music, and movies
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December 31st, 2012, 10:20 AM
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Let's fix the problems with the sexual predator list before we use that as an example for something that would affect many more people. I know someone who could very well have to register for the rest of his life because he was arrested for taking a leak in the parking lot of a bar (a bar, BTW, that frequently has a sign on the men's restroom door that says "broken, go outside."). What about the 18 year old kid who now has to register because his 17 year old girlfriend's parents got pissed off that they were sleeping together?

I see the same kinds of problems with a mental health registry. How ill is ill enough to warrent being put on this list? Can you ever get off once you've been put on it? If you're deemed "unstable" in high school, does that correlate to an unstable 40 year old who has managed to hold down a job and family for 15+ years?

ETA: I'm a pro-gun person. I also happen to live in a place where other humans aren't my biggest safety concern. I have to think about coyotes and mountain lions. In addition, there has been a confirmed case of a rabid fox less than 10 miles from my house. So, no...I'm not willing to give up my guns.
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January 1st, 2013, 04:00 AM
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Let's fix the problems with the sexual predator list before we use that as an example for something that would affect many more people. I know someone who could very well have to register for the rest of his life because he was arrested for taking a leak in the parking lot of a bar (a bar, BTW, that frequently has a sign on the men's restroom door that says "broken, go outside."). What about the 18 year old kid who now has to register because his 17 year old girlfriend's parents got pissed off that they were sleeping together?

I see the same kinds of problems with a mental health registry. How ill is ill enough to warrent being put on this list? Can you ever get off once you've been put on it? If you're deemed "unstable" in high school, does that correlate to an unstable 40 year old who has managed to hold down a job and family for 15+ years?

ETA: I'm a pro-gun person. I also happen to live in a place where other humans aren't my biggest safety concern. I have to think about coyotes and mountain lions. In addition, there has been a confirmed case of a rabid fox less than 10 miles from my house. So, no...I'm not willing to give up my guns.


no one's asking you to give up your guns. I grew up Canadian and I could easily go shoot a coyote in my grandparents back yard if one wandered in (yes, I am licensed to own and operate firearms, I just don't do so) despite pretty strict gun laws and the only people complaining are going to be the neighbors that they didn't get the pelt.

in my honest opinion, dead people out rank the people breaking the law. Don't go to the bar if the bathroom is frequently broken.. problem solved, not gonna get caught urinating in public that way.


Of course, if the NRA has it's way there'd never be a gun in my home since I suffer from depression in the winter.
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January 3rd, 2013, 02:58 PM
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Of course, if the NRA has it's way there'd never be a gun in my home since I suffer from depression in the winter.
I doubt it. If they wanted to ban those who deal with seasonal, mild, or even moderate depression, gun sales would plummet drastically. They're just getting in on the wild accusations and finger pointing.
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January 3rd, 2013, 07:29 PM
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I doubt it. If they wanted to ban those who deal with seasonal, mild, or even moderate depression, gun sales would plummet drastically. They're just getting in on the wild accusations and finger pointing.

Exactly, both sides are guilty of that. I don't think there is any problems with the way things are. Psychos are psychos.
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January 11th, 2013, 10:57 AM
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The unfortunate thing is that mass murders aren't treated for their mental illness. So they wouldn't be required to register. Sociopaths & psychopaths can pass psychological exams so I don't know how they would be identified. The mass majority of people who have mental illness never hurt anyone.
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Not only is that illegal, it is morally wrong. I am of the "mentally ill" persuasion and there is a reason why I don't tell everyone I know that I have a certain affliction. I don't want that "Look". When you tell someone you have a mental illness they look at you as a person differently and act around you differently. They may not mean it, but they do. If this would ever happen I would probably high tail it to Canada. We may have difficulties, but dammit we don't deserve to be tracked like rapist and pedophiles.
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January 16th, 2013, 02:50 PM
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I don't agree with having a Mental Illness Registry, but I do think that more money should be put towards research into Mental Illnesses rather than into taking away Constitutional Rights.
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