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  #1  
February 5th, 2007, 07:42 AM
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What do you guys think about the cervical cancer vax? Personally, I think it's a fantastic idea. HPV is one of the most common viruses. I need to look up the stats, but I remember hearing from several sources that if you've had intercourse with more than 1 person, odds are greater than 50% that you have at least 1 strain of HPV.

Given today's society, I think it's a wonderful idea to get kids vaccinated.

But - here's my even LARGER issue:

Health insurance companies - by enlarge - are either not paying for the vaccine, or grossly under paying for the vaccine. As a result, many doc. offices won't even carry it (even in states where it is MANDATORY - eg: Texas).

I think our insurance system is completely askew. They'll pay thousands of dollars in repeat pap tests, office visits, and cervical cancer treatment, but they won't pay a couple of hundred for the vaccine?

Is it just me, or is that bad business???

Let's say, in the future, they come up with a lung cancer vaccine. Are insurance companies going to treat it the same way they treat cervical cancer vaccines? Or is it different because it's a womans health or linked to sexuality?

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February 5th, 2007, 07:58 AM
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i just think the insurance companies are behind in approving payments for this.. just needs more lobbying
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February 5th, 2007, 08:02 AM
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With more awareness it will be used more. I read it's 75% of the population of women who have a strain of HPV. I think it's a blessing. I cry thinking about how much more of an advantage our future females will have because of this vax. (I'm so happy for them and possibly my future girl or DIL.)
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February 5th, 2007, 08:05 AM
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I am wondering if part of the reason for insurance companies not covering the vaccine yet is because the safety and efficacy of the vaccine is still up in the air at this point...
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February 5th, 2007, 08:08 AM
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also wondering what you do if you have it? i mean if 75% carry a strain, what do you do?

i wish they would put more of that info out there.. i mean if so many women potentially have it, they need to know what to do!
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February 5th, 2007, 11:24 AM
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I am wondering if part of the reason for insurance companies not covering the vaccine yet is because the safety and efficacy of the vaccine is still up in the air at this point...[/b]
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I think our insurance system is completely askew. They'll pay thousands of dollars in repeat pap tests, office visits, and cervical cancer treatment, but they won't pay a couple of hundred for the vaccine?[/b]
I have to question the effectivness and the ethics of merek on this one. Aside from the normal "anti-vax" arguments, there is no long term research done on this vaccine. I read that it only is effective for apx 5 years. So if the girl gets the vax at 10, at 15 when she's more likely to be having sex she may not be protected, again at 20 [if again given at 15]. Also, I haven't seen any documents, but another vaccine manufactor [can't remmeber the name] is creating a similar vaccine, so merek is trying to get there's on the list of reccomended/required vaccines first. Another concern of mine with this is there are so many strands, 2 linked with genital warts, 2 linked with cervical cancer. Yes it reduces the chances you wont get those strands but there is still many MANY other strands out there.

Anyways, I have to agree with CrunchyCori, there is still so many questions of the safety and efficacy of the vaccine. And as a news report said this morning, its like these girls are being used as "guine pigs". I'd rather insurance companies cover pap tests, then pay for a vaccine when there is still so many questions.

Once there is more long term testing done, and the kinks worked out, I think it may be a good idea for high risk groups for cervical cancer.

I don't blame insurance companies failure to cover the vaccine, at this point I think merek needs to do moretesting on the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine, then work on getting it on the reccomended list of vaccines.
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February 5th, 2007, 12:19 PM
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I am wondering if part of the reason for insurance companies not covering the vaccine yet is because the safety and efficacy of the vaccine is still up in the air at this point...[/b]
I'm going to agree with the above. What happens if in 3, 7, 10 years from now we find out that the vax has some serious long term effects. I'm particularly concerned because it's been approved for children as young as age 9, who in many cases haven't even hit puberty. What impact could that have on them in the long run?

Don't get me wrong, on the surface, the drug sounds like a great idea.
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February 5th, 2007, 01:05 PM
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I'm not sure how I feel about the vax yet or if I will consider getting it. Even though HPV can cause Cervical Cancer it is not the only cause and women may feel safe and disregard getting regular paps. I have had pre-cervical cancer and had the LEEP procedure done to remove the cells, but I my doctor said that I did not have a bad strand of HPV. Also, I think it should be noted that I was also told by my doctor that every woman carries some strand of HPV, but not all strands are bad. Of course your risk of getting a bad strand increases with each sexual partner. I don't know if there is controversial evidence about this, but I'm just stating what I was told by my doctor.
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February 5th, 2007, 01:39 PM
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I'm not sure how I feel about the vax yet or if I will consider getting it. Even though HPV can cause Cervical Cancer it is not the only cause and women may feel safe and disregard getting regular paps.[/b]
I don't know about the campaign in the US as much as I do in Canada, but they are very clear that regular paps still have to be done.
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February 5th, 2007, 05:52 PM
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What do you guys think about the cervical cancer vax? Personally, I think it's a fantastic idea. HPV is one of the most common viruses. I need to look up the stats, but I remember hearing from several sources that if you've had intercourse with more than 1 person, odds are greater than 50% that you have at least 1 strain of HPV.

Given today's society, I think it's a wonderful idea to get kids vaccinated.

But - here's my even LARGER issue:

Health insurance companies - by enlarge - are either not paying for the vaccine, or grossly under paying for the vaccine. As a result, many doc. offices won't even carry it (even in states where it is MANDATORY - eg: Texas).

I think our insurance system is completely askew. They'll pay thousands of dollars in repeat pap tests, office visits, and cervical cancer treatment, but they won't pay a couple of hundred for the vaccine?

Is it just me, or is that bad business???

Let's say, in the future, they come up with a lung cancer vaccine. Are insurance companies going to treat it the same way they treat cervical cancer vaccines? Or is it different because it's a womans health or linked to sexuality?

CNN Article on Cancer Vaccine[/b]
I hate to say but insurance companies are often like this. Lets say you know you carry a genetic marker that could potentially produce a baby with severe & life-long medical issues. It is unlikely your insurance company is going to cover IVF with PGD which could pretty much guarantee a healthy child, yet they will be stuck dealing with bills from ICU, home care, etc for possibly life. I think it will be a longgggg time before we see common sense prevail in the insurance industry.
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I'm not sure how I feel about the vax yet or if I will consider getting it. Even though HPV can cause Cervical Cancer it is not the only cause and women may feel safe and disregard getting regular paps.[/b]
I don't know about the campaign in the US as much as I do in Canada, but they are very clear that regular paps still have to be done.
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commercials say that "the vaccine shouildn't replace yearly pap tests"
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February 6th, 2007, 05:34 AM
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All good points. I haven't researched too much into the vax, just surface stuff, but you're right to question long term health benifits/issues.

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I hate to say but insurance companies are often like this. Lets say you know you carry a genetic marker that could potentially produce a baby with severe & life-long medical issues. It is unlikely your insurance company is going to cover IVF with PGD which could pretty much guarantee a healthy child, yet they will be stuck dealing with bills from ICU, home care, etc for possibly life. I think it will be a longgggg time before we see common sense prevail in the insurance industry.[/b]
I guess this is my main issue. We see this in other areas of health care as well. PET scans are available and proven safe. They can detect cancer at very early stages, but they normally aren't covered unless they're part of a treatment. I say why not give them to people on a regular basis? It's common knowledge that we have a better cure/remission rate w/ cancer when caught early and cheaper to treat.

With all this talk about how expensive health care is, I just don't get why we don't start spending more money on preventative care. Long term it's cheaper and keeps people healthier.
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February 6th, 2007, 08:34 AM
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I work in the Pharma Industry, my Company does not make vax of any kind. I will, however, NOT be signing up my children to get it.

For the same reason I do ot give them Splenda, and I only use Branded products after they've been on the market for about 7-10 years. I want the "post market research" Clinical Trials just do not go far enough in size of population. Not to mention they generally require a subject to be off all other drugs so finding interactions is not easy.

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February 6th, 2007, 11:46 AM
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This is O/T but 3boysnagirl, is Splenda questionable health wise? I have some packets in the house, I use them in tea. Just curious. Thanks
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February 7th, 2007, 08:46 PM
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Yes, it's bad business.

And I'm glad I'm not the only who's noticed the insurance companies' blind spot (or is it bias) about women's health issues. Aren't we 51% of the population, and do we not make the majority of consumer-spending decisions in the U.S.?

Notice how many of them will cover Viagra et al. but not the morning-after pill, or even in many cases birth control pills?
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February 9th, 2007, 10:16 AM
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Yes, insurance companies do suck! They want you to pay their premiums, but when you need them to pay a medical bill they don't want to pay it. But should they cover something that has just come on to the market and hasn't been tested completely? How much research has actually been done on this new drug? Can anyone have it or is there a criteria?
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February 9th, 2007, 11:09 AM
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Yes, insurance companies do suck! They want you to pay their premiums, but when you need them to pay a medical bill they don't want to pay it. But should they cover something that has just come on to the market and hasn't been tested completely? How much research has actually been done on this new drug? Can anyone have it or is there a criteria?[/b]
There's a link in my siggy if you want to read up on the clinical trials and testing. Right now it is marketed to females age 9-26, but is currently in the clinical trial stage for boys too (I think age 11-26?).
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February 9th, 2007, 11:29 PM
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My biggest concern also is the question of the long term effects. They are trying to make this mandatory in my state for all 6th grade girls. Starting as early as next year. My daughter will be going to 6th grade next year. I have done some research on this and found that they did a study 2,000 people and during this study 17 died. They claim that it was "unrelated". Even though they say it is still important to get paps done does not mean they will. Maybe the kids and the parents have false since of security. Really, If the paps are done on a regular basis than the cancer will be detected in early stages. I found a lot of sights that had a lot of good information that the media is not sharing with us. Here is just one that I have found but it has the most info on it....

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/articl...TICLE_ID=54095

I just want to say that if someone chooses to give this to their child than that is their right. I just don't like the idea of my right being taken away from me.I'm the one raising my daughter, not the government. Let me make the choices that i feel is best for my child.
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February 10th, 2007, 07:42 AM
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The irony is that a small but vocal group has been saying for more than a decade that we have the right to decide what gets injected into our children. We've been call crazy scaremongers, neglectful parents, anti-doctor, you name it. Folks have been so adamant that vaccines should be mandatory and that anyone who hasn't had them (regardless of the reason) should be kept out of school, playgroups, be made to wear a plastic bubble out in public (okay, that one I made up for fun). But now that it has to do with an STD, they are up in arms about their rights.
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February 10th, 2007, 10:08 PM
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I feel very strongly about being forced to give any vaccine to my children. I think they have just pushed a little to far to now tell me that my daughter must get a STD vaccine.
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