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  #1  
April 29th, 2007, 07:16 PM
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So i guess this is sort of a spinoff of the government assistance thread... I see a lot of support for having universal healthcare in there, but yet we still don't have it. So obviously there's still a lot who don't support it... I guess i'm just wondering why, if anybody here is on that side.
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April 29th, 2007, 07:24 PM
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I support universal health care, 100%. I think the number of uninsured Americans speaks for itself on this issue.
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April 29th, 2007, 07:24 PM
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I do not support UHC, in the least. Standards of care would drop, every doctor visit would be like going to the ER. There are so many stories from places with socialized medical care of things, like, people diagnosed with cancer and being put on a waiting list for chemo, when they finally get in the cancer is either too progressed or they have already passed.
Or lovely stories like this from just this month:
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Cleaners at an NHS hospital with a poor record on superbugs have been told to turn over dirty sheets instead of using fresh ones between patients to save money.

Housekeeping staff at Good Hope Hospital in Sutton Coldfield, have been asked to re-use sheets and pillowcases wherever possible to cut a £500,000 laundry bill.

Posters in the hospital's linen cupboards and on doors into the A&E department remind workers that each item costs 0.275 pence to wash.

Good Hope reported a deficit of £6million last year and was subject to a report by the Audit Commission because of its poor financial standing.

It recorded 36 cases of MRSA from April last year to January, while cases of clostridium difficile have more than doubled in less than a year to 327. A Government hit squad was drafted in to solve the infection problems last year but the trust is still failing to hit MRSA targets.

Tony Field, chairman of Birmingham-based MRSA Support, said: 'Is that all the safety of a patient's life is worth? 0.275 pence?

'It is utterly disgraceful and tantamount to murder because hygiene like changing sheets is essential to protect patients.

'It proves beyond all doubt that cost- cutting is directly contributing to hospital acquired infections.'

A Good Hope spokesman said the posters went up around two years ago and should all have been taken down by now. But a medic insisted the posters were still on display in A&E and the maternity unit as recently as the past month.

'It is clear the trust is encouraging staff to "top 'n' tail" used sheets on a bed instead of replacing them between patients,' said the health worker, who did not wish to be named.

'The very nature of A&E should be enough reason to change sheets between every patient as casualty sees patients who have come in with a variety of infections, traumatic injuries and blood spill.'

Conservative healthvehealth spokesman John Baron said: 'This sounds ludicrous and is a real cause for concern given that MRSA is such a problem in our hospitals.

'This matter needs to be investigated at a higher level. Patient safety must never be compromised.'

Liberal Democrat health spokesman Norman Lamb said: 'If we are to beat healthcareacquired infections we need the highest possible standards of cleanliness. The idea of turning over sheets like this is extraordinary and scandalous.'

The scheme is one of many ways that cash- strapped trusts are trying to save money.

In January, staff at West Hertfordshire NHS Trust were amazed to receive a memo urging them to save £2.50 a day by prescribing cheaper medicines, reducing the number of sterile packs used, cutting hospital tests and asking patients to bring drugs in from home.

Epsom and St Helier Trust in South London has removed every third light bulb from corridors.[/b]
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April 29th, 2007, 07:30 PM
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I support universal health care, 100%. I think the number of uninsured Americans speaks for itself on this issue.[/b]

I actually know a woman who ended up divorcing her husband so that he could get Medicaid because his chronic health problems were bankrupting them.

That is just a sick reflection of the state of our health care. When it's benefiting the health to separate families.

I don't understand our current health system. I just do not.
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It seems that it has everything to do with money and nothing at all to do with taking care of our own citizens. It's horrifying
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April 29th, 2007, 07:31 PM
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I ditto Stacey 10000% and am against UHC
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April 29th, 2007, 07:34 PM
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I know that I would love a system like that with restrictions. Restrictions because people like my MIL would be at the doctor all of the time if it was free, just trying to find something wrong with her, which is why, I am sure that other places that have this system have so many problems. If there was a copay then it might work better. Like my kids insurance, it is not considered medicaid because we have copays just+ like normal insurance does.
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April 29th, 2007, 07:35 PM
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We would of had to take medicaid if our insurance would of continued to be a**es about her transplant but they gave in. I would very much enjoy universal healthcare.

I deal with this weekly already and see the "human error" in health care so making it government run will not change anything. I am in charge of making sure Dani gets taken care of the best way possible even with specialist. It is amazing what they do not know. I have to tell them each week what size IV to give her and what type of Anemia she has.

This is one of the Top 10 Children's Hospitals in the US and they can not read records. The same with every time she needs put under for a procedure and I have to tell them how to do it because with her syndrome she has narrow airways. It can not get much worse.

Last Friday proved that. I think everyone should have access to healthcare and not have to worry over it.

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April 29th, 2007, 07:36 PM
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Everyone does have access to healthcare, you cannot be turned away from seeking medical attention.
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April 29th, 2007, 07:39 PM
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Everyone does have access to healthcare, you cannot be turned away from seeking medical attention.[/b]
Yes if you go on medicaid but then we would of had to give up a job and a vehicle and I could not of afforded that because my Ex would of taken my boys from me. There should be UHC without any strings so everyone can have access and still maintain a life.
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April 29th, 2007, 07:40 PM
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I just had this discussion with my father and brother the other day. My brother went to college in Canada for 3 years. He said he actually prefers our health care here. It always took him forever to get an appointment there even when he was sick and the quality of care wasn't as good.

I'd love to see something better than what we have now. There are way to many people who do not have insurance. I went without it for 3 years because my job did not offer it and I could not afford private and I didn't qualify for any government insurance.

We need to do something, but I'm not quite sure what it is yet!
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April 29th, 2007, 07:40 PM
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I don't know, I mean you can go, but if you have no way to pay for it then what do you do? Let them garnish you check which makes you in an even worse position than you were to begin with. My husband and I are blessed, the doctor that we use will let us pay him out, but there are not many that do.
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April 29th, 2007, 07:48 PM
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It is illegal to be denied medical attention, even without health insurance.

There is a very high standard of care associated with our current system. Specialists are available immediately, and with my son's condition, that is the way that I would like to keep it. I hate going to the ER and I don't want a well baby visit to be just like that type of nightmare. People would be clogging up the medical facilities, because suddenly you can go for free, so why not go get this splinter removed, or a paper cut checked. Our system keeps a level of competition requiring a standard of care and customer service. I just cannot get behind a UHC plan.
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April 29th, 2007, 07:54 PM
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I have no issues with sharing the specialist with whoever needs them. I think free access to any child is only right.
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April 29th, 2007, 07:57 PM
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I have no issues with sharing the specialist with whoever needs them. I think free access to any child is only right.[/b]
My issue is not sharing them, it is access.
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I have no issues with sharing the specialist with whoever needs them. I think free access to any child is only right.[/b]
My issue is not sharing them, it is access.
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Dani was denied access and we had to fight the insurance to get it for her. I do not want any other child to have to. We fought for over a month and all that time she was getting sicker with each day.
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April 29th, 2007, 08:04 PM
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A denist can aslo refuse care, when i worked at a hospital we used to get people in all of the time with bad teeth in major pain because they couldn't afford to go to the denist, and what was so bad was that there wasn't anywhere for them to go, we would give them pain meds, and antibiotics, but that would only last for so long it would eventually get infected again.
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