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  #41  
May 10th, 2007, 07:47 PM
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Cavenaugh, I think that is EXACTLY the right perspective. YAY!
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May 11th, 2007, 10:11 AM
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My OB didn't do one thing that I wasn't completely comfortable with. My OB didn't push unnecessary procedures. My OB gave me the information and from there it was up to me to say, "Yes - do that" or "No" or "I'm not sure, what are some other options?"

I've had bad experiences with doctors and I've had occasion to walk out of a doctor's office and withdraw my authorization for billing my insurance company.

But, there are really great doctors out there. It just takes a little effort to find them.

Right now, I drive 50 miles for my OB and 39 for our family doctor, and 42 for our pediatrician. There are doctors who are closer. But they weren't right for us. [/b]
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I completely agree. It is up to you, the consumer, to find a doctor that shares some of your opinions and general philosophy.

Some docs schedule ALL their patients for inductions for the sake of convenience. Others are very pro-natural-cb. Find one that you agree with.

And some docs are VERY pro-bfing, whereas others push supplementing on everyone. Again, find the doc that is right for you.

I guess the only downside is when you really have no choice in the matter- like if your health plan doesn't let you choose.
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May 11th, 2007, 10:33 AM
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I had a nice big reply typed yesterday when JM went down. Not going to retype it. Basically I agree a lot with what Cavenaugh said. Docs arent God, they are there to help, and our job as a parent and PERSON in general is to do our own research about ourselves. Once you know a doc it becomes a team and they can treat you better because of it. I know where my doc stands on differnet things, and vice versa. I've been through my fair share of stupid and uneducated doctors, too. I've given my advice about myself to my doc and he will actually listen. I have a "crush" on him of sorts cause he is so awesome and my husband teases me all the time. THat is why we arranged for him to be our family doc, our pediatrician, and my ob/gyn. I've only trusted one other doc that much in my life and she moved out of state, and I cried, and so did she.
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May 11th, 2007, 11:45 AM
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I want more cute docs!
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May 11th, 2007, 12:35 PM
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LOL!! I only see females, so I don't care what they look like. That's a joke..LOL!!

Michelle I love your avatar!
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May 11th, 2007, 12:36 PM
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I want more cute docs! [/b]

I would never go to a cute OB. Too much pressure!
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May 11th, 2007, 12:42 PM
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I want more cute docs! [/b]

I would never go to a cute OB. Too much pressure!
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Michelle I love your avatar![/b]
Thanks hon.. It's visualizing for Samantha's birthday. I have a beautiful rose as my screensaver.. I have been reading to picture it over and over again but this last weekend I heard the funniest thing. The lecturer was speaking to doctors. She found many of them were gardeners in their free time. The best way for her to describe natural birth to them was to ask them, "you wouldn't peel the petals of a flower apart would you?"

(They just seemed to understand then!)
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May 11th, 2007, 01:05 PM
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The flower reference to the cervix opening up
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May 11th, 2007, 01:59 PM
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We avoid doctors as much as possible. I have never used an OB, pediatrician, or a doctor that I liked and trusted. I have, however, had doctors who were condescending, impatient, hurried, and on one occasion flat out insulting. And I get really, really tired of refusing birth control at every doctor's office no matter why I am there! About the only doc that leaves me alone regarding b/c is my optometrist, and even he had a comment about how full my hands are.

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May 11th, 2007, 06:34 PM
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And I get really, really tired of refusing birth control at every doctor's office no matter why I am there[/b]
LOL they really like to have women on birth control don't they? I was WAY pressured into getting an IUD and I absoloutly hate it, I'm getting it removed on monday. Fortunately my new doctor actaully listened to me
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I Ditto a lot of what Michelle said, especially in regards to childbirth. Having had both a medicalized, drugged birth and a natural one. I learned a lot from both. I learned that even though I had a great OB with the first, she has become a product of the medical society we have all created. Births are medical events for her, though I think she is a great Pediatrician (she is a family doc). Aside from childbirth, I have been one of those who has bounced from doctor to doctor with not only incorrect diagnosis, but medications that were unnecessary, harmful and incorrect. I have also had great doctors! I had a Pediatrician who FINALLY after 11 years of my life and 30 years of my mom's, diagnosed me and my entire family with the disease that plagued us all for so long. And I had wonderful doctors who took care of me when I was a sick little girl. I believe that doctors don't know everything, can't fix everything and there really is something to be said for natural remedies. We are a society who too easily medicates, vaccinates and misuses antibiotics. We are so afraid of sickness and pain and expect that doctors will cure everyone and that what they say goes. I had to learn through several sicknesses that they don't always know what they are talking about and sad to say, but some doctors don't like having a patient leave without prescribing a drug or a faulty diagnosis instead of saying "Humm,... I don't know. Lets test some more or see what else we can do." My "internet research" was the only way I found out what was wrong with me- since doctors didn't know and just wanted to give me medication that wasn't working. Those of you who feel that too many people "mistrust" doctors, watch the TLC show, mystery diagnosis. I like this show because it shows the real thing that sometimes doctors don't know and don't get it right and if a patient "feels" something isn't right or the diagnosis is wrong, then you HAVE to do your own research and if the internet is it- so be it as long as you match it up with the doctor.
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hmmmm let's see if I can answer this properly

I've learnt only in the last few years to really trust and believe in my doctors (my GP and Psychiatrist in particular) ... I mean .... they're one of the main reasons I'm able to cope everyday and have a proper liveable life you know?

yeah I've had my frustrating moments of feeling like a lab rat with constant med changes and alterations but generally I'm better for it now.

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I bring this story up because it's not even the medical community's fault. We have allowed the medical community complete control over the childbearing experience. And honestly, that's not fair to them, us or the actual baby being birthed. There are places in the US where there is a 98% epi rate. Why? Because it's just standard and women agree to it. The lack of education about choices isn't out there to the medical community nor the women having babies. This is not the doctor's fault. Insurance companies, hospitals and lawyers have to have standards for their doctors. So whatever the newest recommended guidelines are, that becomes standard. This area is one of the fastest growing levels of information of the medical fields so of course the policies of hospitals and recommended standards aren't keeping up. To their credit, many women have given their power over to them anyway so it's not really a horrible crisis. (It's just not what I accept.)[/b]
I agree with this, not just in the OB field, but all fields its automatic for people to go with what a doctor says just because they are the doctor. Individuals knowledge, beliefes, feelings, etc are discounted.


And yes, I too get tired of Birth Control being pushed at every appt, our method works, and works wonderfully, thanks!
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I am generally wary of doctors, only because DD has a very rare disorder (1 in half a million) and almost every doctor we've ever seen has literally NO experience in treating it. Some of the doctors have misdiagnosed her, prescibed her treatments that would have harmed her if we continued them (2% hydrocortisone cream over her ENTIRE body, when she was born a month early and only 2 weeks old? PLUS her skin is thinner than a normal person's?)

We ended up having to drive a 4 hour round-trip up to Stanford U. when we lived in CA to find doctors who were willing to research with us everything that needed to be done, and everything that would be helpful. And even then, I had to switch GI doctors twice, and our pediatrician 3 frickin' times, before I found doctors that would work WITH me, and not talk THROUGH me.

Since I don't have any "regular" experience with docs (I almost never go to the doctor for myself, and my OB was a true jerk when I was preggo), and Julia's care has always been far from normal, yes, I'm wary. I don't distrust them, but if they prescribe her something I've never heard of, I'll do my own research and talk to some people with Netherton's who are older and have been through it all.

Though honestly, in general, most of her doctors probably hate me b/c I'm the most proactive and neurotic mother you'll ever meet lol I call them a billion times a month because I'm always researching new things we can try with her to make her more comfortable.
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I want more cute docs! [/b]

I would never go to a cute OB. Too much pressure!
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My OB is smokin' hot! I adore him.

As to the question. I am much more likely to trust a specialist over a general practitioner. I have found a wonderful dr. for myself who doesn't push antibiotics all the time and is incredibly thorough. When even a dermatologist couldn't diagnose my dh's skin rash, my current dr. was able to take 1 look at it and tell him exactly what it is (tinea versicolor) and give him the first and only treatment that has ever worked on it. I trust him completely.

However, it's becoming increasingly more difficult to find dr.s like him. To find a pedi like that who is also knowledgeable and supportive of breastfeeding has been impossible. I've interviewed countless pedi.s and finally settled on one that I thought would see eye to eye with me, but he tries to give my kids allergy meds every time I'm in there. My kids don't have seasonal allergies! They've even been allergy tested! He also prescribes antibiotics at the drop of a hat. My breastmilk cures most of our general illnesses (ear infections, sore throats, sinus infections!) Why use an antibiotic and ruin my child's intestinal flora when breastmilk will work just as well? Unfortunately, dr's aren't taught much in the nutritional dept. and next to nothing about natural healing. My (previous) dr. was prescribing a vaginal yeast infection cream to me every single month the first year that I was married. It stopped working due to overuse! So I finally decided to educate myself. You know what cured my chronic yeast infections? Eliminating sugar from my diet and taking a garlic & acidopholus supplement daily. Haven't had a yeast infection since (7 years!).

Dr.s aren't evil, but sometimes they are ignorant to all of the natural healing methods available. They've been taught all about the pharmaceutical side, but not the holistic side. My pharmacist was amazed when he discovered that olive oil worked just as well on his son's eczema as hydracortizone cream, and it didn't have any side effects! I can't tell you how much he thanked me for sharing that little tidbit with him.

Do I generally mistrust dr.s? No. But if the treatment they give me doesn't work (or has nasty side effects), then I start looking for something that does and often find it in natural healing. I rarely even go to the dr anymore. My breasts produce the best medicine there is.
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May 12th, 2007, 06:31 PM
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I am generally wary of doctors, only because DD has a very rare disorder (1 in half a million) and almost every doctor we've ever seen has literally NO experience in treating it. Some of the doctors have misdiagnosed her, prescibed her treatments that would have harmed her if we continued them (2% hydrocortisone cream over her ENTIRE body, when she was born a month early and only 2 weeks old? PLUS her skin is thinner than a normal person's?)

We ended up having to drive a 4 hour round-trip up to Stanford U. when we lived in CA to find doctors who were willing to research with us everything that needed to be done, and everything that would be helpful. And even then, I had to switch GI doctors twice, and our pediatrician 3 frickin' times, before I found doctors that would work WITH me, and not talk THROUGH me.

Since I don't have any "regular" experience with docs (I almost never go to the doctor for myself, and my OB was a true jerk when I was preggo), and Julia's care has always been far from normal, yes, I'm wary. I don't distrust them, but if they prescribe her something I've never heard of, I'll do my own research and talk to some people with Netherton's who are older and have been through it all.

Though honestly, in general, most of her doctors probably hate me b/c I'm the most proactive and neurotic mother you'll ever meet lol I call them a billion times a month because I'm always researching new things we can try with her to make her more comfortable.[/b]


I think you have a real reason to be wary of doctors.
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I am generally wary of doctors, only because DD has a very rare disorder (1 in half a million) and almost every doctor we've ever seen has literally NO experience in treating it. Some of the doctors have misdiagnosed her, prescibed her treatments that would have harmed her if we continued them (2% hydrocortisone cream over her ENTIRE body, when she was born a month early and only 2 weeks old? PLUS her skin is thinner than a normal person's?)

We ended up having to drive a 4 hour round-trip up to Stanford U. when we lived in CA to find doctors who were willing to research with us everything that needed to be done, and everything that would be helpful. And even then, I had to switch GI doctors twice, and our pediatrician 3 frickin' times, before I found doctors that would work WITH me, and not talk THROUGH me.

Since I don't have any "regular" experience with docs (I almost never go to the doctor for myself, and my OB was a true jerk when I was preggo), and Julia's care has always been far from normal, yes, I'm wary. I don't distrust them, but if they prescribe her something I've never heard of, I'll do my own research and talk to some people with Netherton's who are older and have been through it all.

Though honestly, in general, most of her doctors probably hate me b/c I'm the most proactive and neurotic mother you'll ever meet lol I call them a billion times a month because I'm always researching new things we can try with her to make her more comfortable.[/b]


I think you have a real reason to be wary of doctors.
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Are you implying that everyone elses' reasons aren't real or valid?
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May 13th, 2007, 06:22 AM
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I think the more I learn about childbearing and doctors, I think there has been a huge shift in responsibility and understanding..

For example, I went to a waterbirthing seminar and the guest speaker spoke of going to the American OB/GYN convention and set up a booth. They were the only booth that had a video's of childbirth. Of course they were not only natural, but also in the water. She had so many medical professionals come up to the booth and say they had no idea that birthing could be done like that..

I bring this story up because it's not even the medical community's fault. We have allowed the medical community complete control over the childbearing experience. And honestly, that's not fair to them, us or the actual baby being birthed. There are places in the US where there is a 98% epi rate. Why? Because it's just standard and women agree to it. The lack of education about choices isn't out there to the medical community nor the women having babies. This is not the doctor's fault. Insurance companies, hospitals and lawyers have to have standards for their doctors. So whatever the newest recommended guidelines are, that becomes standard. This area is one of the fastest growing levels of information of the medical fields so of course the policies of hospitals and recommended standards aren't keeping up. To their credit, many women have given their power over to them anyway so it's not really a horrible crisis. (It's just not what I accept.)

I absolutely feel that doctors and their knowledge have a place ~ for about 5-10% of births. (10% being overly conservative.) But that would require women to take back their knowledge of childbearing. Honestly, I think there is a huge amount of women happy with the status quo. On the flip side, there are lots of women who are indeed met with hostility for taking back some claim to the way birthing could be.. those are the stories we hear lots of because we are on a mommies forum[/b]
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and I think we've all posted before on things like formula where these companies pay millions and millions to docs and their professional boards and agencies... that HAS to have an effect on how docs speak to their patients about options[/b]
I agree and i also think you could say the kick backs and money that is coming from the drug companies and vaccine manufacturers will cause the same problems.You always here on these debates that you shouldn't trust say a study about pampers if the money for the study came from pampers so why should I trust a dr who is getting some of his pay check and bonuses from the drug/vaccine manufacturers?
If they weren't allowed to do things like give dr's bonuses based on the number of vaccinated children in there practices or send dr's on vacations for subscribing there new arthritis drug the most I would be a lot more trusting.
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