[*Melissa*]

What do you think about this?

http://www.whatismormonism.com/

Yikes, I think there are more tactful ways of opening a discussion...

Nevermind....

*snort* isn’t it funny how everyone thinks they are the only ones who don’t have crazy beliefs.

And FTR I am not a Mormon....but I am pretty sure they think they are Christians.

[glasscandie]

...? You sure are one judgmental Christian!

[glasscandie]

And furthermore, plenty of things in the Bible can be disproven, or should we say: " It invites criticism."

Not only is it OK for Mormons to investigate their faith, but Mormon leaders actually encourage it, and almost demand it.[/b]

I am trying to understand why this is a bad thing?


Ya know, this website, is no different than any of the websites that point out biblical inaccuracies. And some of these sites post true things, and some of them post not so true things. How do you know unless you do the work yourself?

And furthermore, plenty of things in the Bible can be disproven, or should we say: " It invites criticism." [/b]

ITA

It's sooooo hard not to go off topic.

[*Melissa*]

First of all, I just want to let everyone know that I am not trying to be judgmental- but I support my beliefs 100% . There is not one sentence in my post that judged- only explained that from what I have found thus far and studied, shows that Christianity is the one true religion that's 100% accurate. It is even used for historical purposes.

Second of all, I deffinatly do not think it is bad to investigate your faith- That is how many people come to know Jesus Christ for who he trully is. I believe that you can try all you want to disprove the Bible, but it will always be true.

Third, Mormons are not Christians.

I have not intended to hurt anyone's feelings, i was just under the impression that this is a debate board and wanted to know what you all thought about that website. I would love to hear what you have to say, and just because you views and opinions are different from MINE, I will certainly not look down on you any less as a person. And I am sorry if it came across that way. I just found the website very interesting and wanted to pass it along.

^^I'm sure it wasn't your intention to hurt feelings, but your 2 posts have been extremely offensive. It would have been much kinder and more productive to simply ask questions about why Mormons believe what they do; there are some awesome LDS mamas here would probably have been happy to answer.

Third, Mormons are not Christians.[/b]

That's stepping way to close to the judgment seat. I may not be in agreement with much of the Mormom doctrine, but that does not mean there aren't true Christians in the Mormon church; the same can be said about EVERY branch and denomination of the Christian church.

First off, Cori, Courtney and Kady - - .

First of all, I just want to let everyone know that I am not trying to be judgmental- but I support my beliefs 100% . There is not one sentence in my post that judged- only explained that from what I have found thus far and studied, shows that Christianity is the one true religion that's 100% accurate. It is even used for historical purposes.

Second of all, I deffinatly do not think it is bad to investigate your faith- That is how many people come to know Jesus Christ for who he trully is. I believe that you can try all you want to disprove the Bible, but it will always be true.

Third, Mormons are not Christians.

I have not intended to hurt anyone's feelings, i was just under the impression that this is a debate board and wanted to know what you all thought about that website. I would love to hear what you have to say, and just because you views and opinions are different from MINE, I will certainly not look down on you any less as a person. And I am sorry if it came across that way. I just found the website very interesting and wanted to pass it along.[/b]

You may say that you are not trying to be judgmental or hurt anyone's feelings, but posting a website that calls my religion is a cult is very hurtful. How is that not judging? It is also hurtful to me when people claim I am not a Christian. Imagine how you would feel if someone told you that you are not Christian, when you know that you most certainly are. I have no problem with you not believing what I believe, but to call other believers cult members and not Christian doesn't seem very Christian to me. How does it affect you personally that I choose to believe that Joseph Smith was a prophet? Why do you care whether or not I believe the Book of Mormon is true? Please don't say that you are worried about my salvation. Posting a website claiming they are members of a cult for others to laugh at and agree with you that Mormons are ridiculous is not worrying about my salvation. It is mocking. If I were you, I would think more about building up my own beliefs, and less about tearing down the beliefs of others.


There are so many innaccuracies in your post, that I'm not going to go through line by line with you, but I will tell you what I do believe. I believe in Jesus Christ. I believe that He is the Son of God. I believe that He suffered and died on the cross for my sins so that I might have eternal life. I know that it is through His Atonement that I will be able to return to live with God. I believe the Bible to be the word of God. I try everyday to be like Jesus. I try to treat others as I believe Jesus would. I often fail, but I know that through Christ's atonement, can be forgiven of my sins. Can you please show me how any of these beliefs indicate that I am not a Christian? It is true that I, and other Mormons, have other beliefs too, such as that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon and restored the Gospel, but those things add to, not take away from my beliefs of Jesus Christ.

After reading this, I don't understand why anyone would choose to be a mormon. It made some interesting and substantial points that I believe are critical to your salvation.
As with any religion, I think if you are ever unsure about where you will go when you die it is important to study and pray about it until you find the true answer. And you will find that after much studying, every "religion" has a flaw.... every single one but Christianity. Read this and tell me what you think.

http://www.whatismormonism.com/[/b]

I stopped taking you seriously after I read that.

[*Melissa*]

holy crap!!! why so much personal slander??!!! I was just trying to start a debate and explain WHY I don't believe in mormonism!! Why the heck is everyone getting so deffensive??? It is OK for me not to believe in something and try to prove MY point from MY view, that is what a debate is!!!
I never came OUT RIGHT and told ANYONE they were involved in a cult! You call me judgmental, but some of you in here are vicious and rude! I apologized if i hurt anyone's feelings! I may come across sharp to you, but it isn't my intention at all, and there is nothing I can do to prove that to you. But since you all have chosen to look at this like I am personally attacking you, and like I am some horrible person, I don't see why anyone would want to stick around here if they "happen" to disagree with you! You cannot counter with any productive responses, just mean words that hurt!
I am not a very confrontational person, and I do NOT like hurting people's feeling's at all.... I am very trully sorry if I have hurt someone, I just cannot believe how much everyone is attacking me??!!! You can consider this post closed after this since it has made some of you so mad, and has hurt ME too as well... I have never had so many people say such hurtful things to me.

[glasscandie]

Quotes from you:

"After reading this, I don't understand why anyone would choose to be a mormon" - You really don't see how this would be judgemental or rude??

"every "religion" has a flaw.... every single one but Christianity" - in case you're unaware, what you're essentially saying here is that anyone who's not your brand of Christian has spent their time, and sometimes their LIVES, wasting their time.


"I believe that you can try all you want to disprove the Bible, but it will always be true." - and you don't think Mormons can say the same thing about The Book of Mormon?




If you'll read through some of the other debates we've had here, you can see that most of them were pretty involved and didn't just stop because our beliefs conflicted with each other, as you're saying they do. The difference is the presentation. You have every right to believe that your sect of Christianity is "the truth", as I have a right to believe some type of Buddhism is the answer, and donomama has the right to believe that Mormonism is the "truth". What I don't have the right to do, is imply that anyone who doesn't believe what I do is wrong or ignorant.

holy crap!!! why so much personal slander??!!! I was just trying to start a debate and explain WHY I don't believe in mormonism!! Why the heck is everyone getting so deffensive??? It is OK for me not to believe in something and try to prove MY point from MY view, that is what a debate is!!!
I never came OUT RIGHT and told ANYONE they were involved in a cult! You call me judgmental, but some of you in here are vicious and rude! I apologized if i hurt anyone's feelings! I may come across sharp to you, but it isn't my intention at all, and there is nothing I can do to prove that to you. But since you all have chosen to look at this like I am personally attacking you, and like I am some horrible person, I don't see why anyone would want to stick around here if they "happen" to disagree with you! You cannot counter with any productive responses, just mean words that hurt!
I am not a very confrontational person, and I do NOT like hurting people's feeling's at all.... I am very trully sorry if I have hurt someone, I just cannot believe how much everyone is attacking me??!!! You can consider this post closed after this since it has made some of you so mad, and has hurt ME too as well... I have never had so many people say such hurtful things to me.[/b]

I didn't mean to offend you with my response. I was simply stating my beliefs. I don't see that anyone has personally slandered you. I feel like I did counter with a productive response, but if you don't want to address it, that is fine.

You may not have typed out that anyone is in a cult, but the website you posted did, and you talked about how enlightening it was. It went line by line describing how Mormonism fits the definition of a cult.

I have never had so many people say such hurtful things to me.[/b]

I have, it happens all the time to me because of my beliefs, usually by Christians who "are not trying to offend." How can telling someone what they believe is false, they are in a cult and that they are not Christians not be hurtful? Although it is hurtful, it will never change my beliefs. Pretend your original post was written by someone besides you about your religion and tell me if you think that would be hurtful to you.

double post

[Momo]

I think what Melissa was trying to do is start some dialog about how Mormonism is quite different from Christianity. So different that it is hard for Christians to view Mormons as fellow believers.
From my own knowledge it seems that there are some core beliefs that Mormons and Christians differ in opinion on. One being works based faith vs. grace alone.
Another is the addition of divine and prophetic teachings to the Bible. I found that website interesting but I'm not mormon. I would be curious to see what the responses are from LDS members about the inaccuracies listed there about the Book of Mormon. I actually didn't read all the way down because it's a lot of information to take in.
But let's try to get some respectful debate going about the Book of Mormon.
Religious debates are hard because they hit us all close to our hearts. So let's remember that and try not to get overly offended about debates brought up and let's also make an effort to show some love in our posts!
This debate (C vs. M) always gets closed down. How long can this one make it?

Melissa, I think its kind of funny that you felt the need to almost completely erase your first post.

[oicyur]

Ya know, there ARE tactful ways of debating religions, and the way this topic was set up was not tactful in the least bit. I think, Melissa, that is why you got the remarks you did. Not because you were challenging another set of beliefs and trying to start a debate, but because you threw out an insult and said, "run with this". That is not debating.


Hearing that Mormons (& Catholics) aren't Christians doesn't really upset me anymore. It used to, but logic has gone from the equation when someone says that, so how can you get upset by it? I just have to roll my eyes and wonder what one's definition of a Christian is to say that these religions whose doctrines revolve around the life of Jesus Christ are not CHRISTians. Although I have seen at times how very different branches of Christianity can be and why some Christians wouldn't want that same label for all those who believe in Christ. I know I have felt that way at times when Christian extremists make the news by doing something that I think is crazy. But I wouldn't go as far as to say they aren't Christians. That's just illogical.

I haven't looked at the site yet, but I can imagine that it must be chock full of "truths" about the LDS church. This is yet another example of an illogical way on finding out about a religion. If you wanted to truly and earnestly find out about another religion, don't you think the best way of going about that is to go to the source and do your own studying and determine on your own what you think about it, instead of going to anti-church sites? Clearly you don't really want to know what the LDS church teaches and you're not here to debate, but rather mock what you don't agree with. And that really isn't respectable, my dear.

[pinkpercolator]

Oh don't get me going on Mormons or mormonism. I don't hate Mormons. I just don't understand why they believe in what they do. Just as they probably think the same about my religion. A Mormon missionary stopped me on the street one time. Asked me if I believe in the Book of Mormon. I said no. He asked why I don't believe it's a true testement of God. I said well the BOM is additions to the words of the bible. He says yes. Well in the Book of Revelation it says He who adds to the words of this book will suffer the plagues listed there. And he who takes away from this book will loose there place in the tree of life. He still went on about how do I know it's not a true testement. I said well I choose not to believe in the BOM. I went to high school with a Mormon families son and dd. They were nice people. We were friends till they moved away. They even invited me to their church when it was Sunday school but held on a weeknight. I got to see the inside of their church and where they baptise their people. It seems the more I tell the Mormon missionaries I don't share in their beliefs. The more they seem to keep pushing them on me. So I usually cut them short in conversation when they come knocking on my door. Mormons are Christians just the same. They may have some different beliefs than most other Christian religions. But they do believe in the same God other Christian faiths believe in.

[Banned-Mommieof3]

First of all, I just want to let everyone know that I am not trying to be judgmental- but I support my beliefs 100% . There is not one sentence in my post that judged- only explained that from what I have found thus far and studied, shows that Christianity is the one true religion that's 100% accurate. It is even used for historical purposes.

Second of all, I deffinatly do not think it is bad to investigate your faith- That is how many people come to know Jesus Christ for who he trully is. I believe that you can try all you want to disprove the Bible, but it will always be true.

Third, Mormons are not Christians.

I have not intended to hurt anyone's feelings, i was just under the impression that this is a debate board and wanted to know what you all thought about that website. I would love to hear what you have to say, and just because you views and opinions are different from MINE, I will certainly not look down on you any less as a person. And I am sorry if it came across that way. I just found the website very interesting and wanted to pass it along.[/b]

Umm, please expand on the bolded, if you don't mind.

Mormons believe in Christ, therefore they are CHRISTians....see the connection? How the heck are they NOT Christians? Because they're not within whatever domination you belong to? Please...

Do they not believe in the Bible? To my understanding, they do...they just also have the Book of Mormon in addition to the Bible (Tiffany, please correct me if I am wrong).

Those kind of statements peeve me off. I never understood why people felt they had the right to say that Mormons or Jehovah Witnesses are not Christian. They are; some people's heads are just too stuck in the sand to see it.