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  #1  
October 4th, 2005, 11:03 PM
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This is a compiled list of extremely graphic photos of various complications of circumcision. If you don't want to see, don't click.

Adhesions to glans

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide1.jpg

Post-circumcision coronal adhesions

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide2.jpg

Untidy circumcision

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide3.jpg

Phimosis after circumcision

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide4.jpg

Post-circumcision phimosis

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide5.jpg

Meatal Stenosis

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide6.jpg

Narrow Stream meatal stenosis

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide7.jpg

Radical circumcision

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide8.jpg

Missing frenulum

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide9.jpg

Bleeding hemophelia

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide10.jpg

Post-circumcision fistula

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide11.jpg

Post-division of adhesions

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide12.jpg

Partial glans amputation

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide13.jpg

Dead penis

http://www.circumcisionquotes.com/images/slide14.jpg

Gangrene

http://www.infocirc.org/fourn.htm

Plastibell ring urethral meatus obstruction (radiograph images)

http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/169/3/216

Herpes

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cont...0406150001.jpeg

Other complications (photos of adult penises w/ Skin-bridges, Skin-tags, Scarring, Unevenness, Galloping, Gangrene, Excessive skin removed, Varicose Veins, Malapposition

http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Botched1sb.html

Problem Circumcisions (photos of adult penises w/ Tight Circumcision, Hairy Penis, Skin Bridge, Keratinization of Glans, etc.)

http://www.infocirc.org/townsend/problem.htm

How to Identify Circumcision Damage in the Adult Male (photos of adult penises w/ No skin mobility; scarring, Keratinization, Missing frenulum, Skin bridges, Pigmentation variations, Missing portions of glans, Other damage)

http://www.noharmm.org/IDcirc.htm

Complications of Circumcision (photos of urethral fistula, almost transected glans, all shaft skin removed, loss of entire penis)

http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/
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October 5th, 2005, 06:11 AM
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just showed SO and he felt horrible for the little ones but he said "how often does that really happen though?"

So I pose that question what are the statisitcs of a botched circ?
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October 5th, 2005, 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by lovebug@Oct 5 2005, 08:11 AM
just showed SO and he felt horrible for the little ones but he said "how often does that really happen though?"

So I pose that question what are the statisitcs of a botched circ?
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I honestly don't know all the stats. The most severe complications are pretty rare. But even if it were 1/1,000,000-if it's your baby, the number doesn't matter. 70% of circumcised boys experience adhesions during the first year of life ( http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...3&dopt=Abstract ), 9-10% experience meatal stenosis and often require meatotomy( http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2356.htm ), and about 1% will need recircumcision or revision ( http://www.caringforkids.cps.ca/babies/Circumcision.htm ).

Some of the other complications, like tight circumcisions, discomfort during erections, and skin tags/bridges may be assumed to be "normal" by the men who experience them. You have to remember, all they've ever know is what they have.

I will never forget the story of a woman on one of the other boards who had her son circumcised, didn't feel he had 'enough' skin removed, had him circed again...STILL didn't feel his penis was bare enough...so had him circed yet AGAIN. I think he had all three revisions within the first year of life. Yet still, she defends-and continues to defend-her choice. Even though he required yet another corrective surgery because the skin was so ultra-tight that his penis stuck straight out *all the time*. :-(

If you frequent toddler care boards, adhesions are extremely common and unfortunately, it seems many/most peds are still routinely ripping the adherred skin back (often over and over) during office visits with NO anesthetic. Mother's feel it's necessary, and few blame the circumcision.

It's all so sad. The penis is the primary male sex organ-and there is NOTHING wrong with it at birth. Foreskins come standard, they're normal, healthy, and functional-they don't need amputation. So virtually all of the complications pictured in this thread could have been avoided completely by not messing with perfection, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." According to the CPS link ("caringforkids", above) just 1% of uncircumcised boys might need circumcision later in life for medical reasons. Just 1%.

So, essentially when you circumcise you are guarenteeing your son the initial surgery (100%), a 9-10% risk of meatotomy, and a 1% risk of recircumcision or revision. That's a 110-111% risk of needing penile surgery. Leaving him intact gives him a 1% risk of future circumcision, and if he does need one later in life he'll probably avoid the complications associated with newborn circumcision because he won't be healing in a diaper environment and his penis is much larger so there is less chance of error.

Baby penises are so tiny, and the amount of skin removed is just an estimate/guess. They actually have to stretch the baby's skin up over the devices. The amount of skin removed is extremely variable, depending on the doctor, depending on the method, depending on the size of the baby's penis, depending on the 'give' of the skin as it's stretched, etc. I think the average newborn penis is something like 1/2" long? There's no dotted line as to where to cut. It's a roll of the dice.

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October 5th, 2005, 09:32 AM
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That is why the doctor who is considered "the best" around here did my son's circ.
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October 5th, 2005, 09:41 AM
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Leaving him intact gives him a 1% risk of future circumcision[/b]
I bet it's less than that in countries who know how to handle/not handle the intact penis -- i.e., not prematurely retracting or telling parents to do so -- or those crazy dr's who say they must be circ'ed if they're not retracting by three, incorrectly diagnosing phimosis b/c they are totally ignorant of the intact penis, having not been around them.

Times are changing and I'll bet the rates will be far lower than 1%. I'm lucky to be in the midwest and yet have a ped who absolutely *cringed* when I told him about docs who prematurely retract. (He knew about it, but the thought still disturbed him nonetheless.) And yes, he is from the area too.

I wonder if our European poster can give us adult circ rates in her country, I was thinking like 1 in 16,000 or something (????)
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That is why the doctor who is considered "the best" around here did my son's circ.
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Doctors are human, even the best doctors make mistakes. They don't call it 'practicing medicine' for nothing. It reminds me of that joke, "What do you call a medical student that graduates at the bottom of his class? Doctor."

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I got through the first two...I just can't stomach that. It is so sad because it could have easily been prevented...
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Originally posted by lovebug@Oct 5 2005, 07:11 AM
just showed SO and he felt horrible for the little ones but he said "how often does that really happen though?"

So I pose that question what are the statisitcs of a botched circ?
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a better question is "how will YOU feel if it's your son?" will the states really matter if it's your son that suffors and you have to live with the fact that a purely elective non medically endorsed surgury that YOU asked for, caused him complications? how will you feel knowing it was 100% avoidable by just leaving him as God gave him to you? states aside, just answer tthe question at face value.
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"how will YOU feel if it's your son?" will the states really matter if it's your son that suffors and you have to live with the fact that a purely elective non medically endorsed surgury that YOU asked for, caused him complications? how will you feel knowing it was 100% avoidable by just leaving him as God gave him to you?[/b]
If it's my son then we'll deal with it. Sure it's our choise but if we researched it and found it was the right choise then it goes wrong I will feel horrible of course but I will not regret our choise.
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"how will YOU feel if it's your son?" will the states really matter if it's your son that suffors and you have to live with the fact that a purely elective non medically endorsed surgury that YOU asked for, caused him complications? how will you feel knowing it was 100% avoidable by just leaving him as God gave him to you?
If it's my son then we'll deal with it. Sure it's our choise but if we researched it and found it was the right choise then it goes wrong I will feel horrible of course but I will not regret our choise.
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Man, I don't know when I've read anything so cold.
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October 7th, 2005, 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by lovebug@Oct 5 2005, 08:11 AM
just showed SO and he felt horrible for the little ones but he said "how often does that really happen though?"

So I pose that question what are the statisitcs of a botched circ?
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I consider any circumcision to be "botched" when it unnecessarily removes a normal, healthy, functional part of a boy's penis. I guess circumcisions are bound to be botched just by design.
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October 7th, 2005, 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by lovebug@Oct 7 2005, 08:32 AM
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"how will YOU feel if it's your son?" will the states really matter if it's your son that suffors and you have to live with the fact that a purely elective non medically endorsed surgury that YOU asked for, caused him complications? how will you feel knowing it was 100% avoidable by just leaving him as God gave him to you?
If it's my son then we'll deal with it. Sure it's our choise but if we researched it and found it was the right choise then it goes wrong I will feel horrible of course but I will not regret our choise.
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Well, I think that just about sums it all up.

Botched circ? Death? It was our choice, no regrets. That's cold.

Still, as long as you got your choice eh?
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Sure it's our choise but if we researched it and found it was the right choise then it goes wrong I will feel horrible of course but I will not regret our choise.
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And that begs the question: Is any medical procedure automatically justified and "right" based on the "feelings" of the parents? Does a human being have an inherent right to bodily integrity, including the right to his normal, healthy, functional foreskin?
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October 7th, 2005, 09:58 AM
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Originally posted by lovebug@Oct 7 2005, 08:32 AM
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"how will YOU feel if it's your son?" will the states really matter if it's your son that suffors and you have to live with the fact that a purely elective non medically endorsed surgury that YOU asked for, caused him complications? how will you feel knowing it was 100% avoidable by just leaving him as God gave him to you?
If it's my son then we'll deal with it. Sure it's our choise but if we researched it and found it was the right choise then it goes wrong I will feel horrible of course but I will not regret our choise.
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Lovebug, are you really imaging yourself standing over your son's casket when making that statement? A son who had been born completely normal, healthy, and perfect...who you chose to circumcise because it was what you wanted-not what he needed? Can you fathom the emptiness, the confusion, the anger, the guilt? Especially if you circed him after everything you've learned, fully aware of the risks, knowing it wasn't recommended or necessary-and the worse case senario happened to your family?

No regret?

Somehow I'm doubtful.

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