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December 14th, 2009, 11:19 AM
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OK, so I thought about saying this here before. I only really put it off cos when I first came to JM I wanted to have a place where I could JUST talk about ttc. But as I have got to know you all and feel we're on a closer footing of friendship I want to tell you about this other thing that has been very hard on me over the last year and a half.

My daughter, Dakota has very severe cavities. People and dentists tend to know it as 'bottle mouth' but my daughter was fully breastfed and never had a bottle.

At about 12-13mths old she had some brown on her front teeth. I asked family and friends and everyone said not to worry about it. When she was 19mths I decided to take her to the dentist. I didn't before cos I didn't know you really could take them when they're very very young? Anyhoo, it was just after Easter and the dentist was a horrible woman. She made no effort to talk to or comfort D on her first visit to the dentist and held her down screaming whilst she looked in her mouth. She snapped 'have you given her chocolate?' Well duh...show me a parent who hasn't? And she really berated me for 'causing' my daughters decay. She did nothing but told me to come back in 6mths. I was devastated as you can imagine! but within TWO WEEKS of that appointment my D's front teeth HALVED...just seemed to melt away. I found another dentist (a paediatric one) who was much better and nice although she blamed my breastfeeding at night. I tried to get my daughter to stop nightnursing but she wouldn't and I would have to back off (I tried rocking, singing, cuddling everything but she'd stay up ALL night if she didn't get the breast).
I researched a tonne more and found out all these things to do and try and I also saw another 4 dentists to try to find one that would DO something. Unfortunetly I found out that although in the U,S she would have been given caps or a filler here in UK they will only extract. After speaking to an American dentist (and child-dental forum) I decided to not have them extracted as it can effect the second teeth coming through and so far they have never hurt her.
We brush her teeth three times a day, use expensive special toothpast and calcium-replacing creams and limit her sugar in her diet where possible. However two more teeth decayed (on the top) and two small holes have appeared on two of the bottom teeth.

That first year was EXTREMLY stressful and upsetting. I would think about it constantly and feel guilty for wanting another baby when my first is having issues.
I found a great dentist, a private one, who was supportive of my breastfeeding and agreed we shouldn't extract unless they hurt her.
She stopped day nursing shortly after age 2 and night nursing just before age 3 but her top teeth are black/brown stumps.
Most people and dentists blame sugar but I just cannot believe it...not when you see what every other child eats and drinks all day without problems. I see parents giving their 3yr olds coke when mine is only allowed milk and water.
I believe she has no enamel protection due to being born premature. Her cousin, a 5th child, had the same issue and had 7 teeth removed at age 4 (so it could be partly genetic too). His 4 older siblings were all brought up the same, breastfed and same diet and didn't have this aggressive teeth issue. He, her cousin, was also premature.

But all I get from people when they see her teeth are 'Oh, too much sugar?' which hurts me so much....making it sound like I feed my daughter 10 times the sugar that any other parent does!

Today I had her dental appointment with the 2nd one I saw (I get free treatment from her - she puts a fluriode paste on every two months) and she just told me there are early signs of decay on the furthest back two teeth now! She questioned me on what my daughter eats and drinks. When I said milk she said 'remember that has sugar in it too' and the same with fruit! I mean, COME ON, what am I supposed to feed my daughter? It was like cos she no longer has breastfeeding to blame she is looking for another 'reason' (or fault with me as a parent) yet whatever is happening is just not normal.

So anyhoo, that is something else I have had to deal with along with not being able to get pregnant! Maybe its added to preventing me? I don't know. But it caused me to feel very down today. I was beginning to think that maybe I would have them taken out sometime next year but now, if she loses another two she will only have her two canine teeth on the top
It kills me that if I lived in America she wouldn't have been left for them to go like this. And I am scared it might happen again with another baby...
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Seperated June 2010 from my husband. One daughter DOB 26/07/2006. BFP 06/01/2011, due september but 'high risk' for premature birth.

Hi. Im Jolene. 31 years old. I suffered three years of a short luteal phase and didnt think I could get pregnant again without medical assistance but fell pregnant by accident and naturally. I am really happy and excited to be having a baby although knowing Im going it alone this time is a bit daunting and scary!
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December 14th, 2009, 02:53 PM
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Im sure that there has to be a condition that is related to this. This just doesn't seem right. I have an ex sil whose kids teeth rot from their face, but its because of horrible diets and no brushing. Once they changed the diets and started brushing like they should, it all changed.
My middle son Robbie has soft enamel due to his Prader Willi Syndrome, and we have issues with decay also.
Im sorry that your going through this, but please don't blame yourself. You know what your doing as a parent. You also know what your not doing, so don't let these "professionals" make you feel bad when you have done nothing wrong. It would serve them better to find out why then to accuse you of stuff your not doing.
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December 15th, 2009, 12:24 AM
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Hey thanks. I feel like the dentists here are very unknowledgable. When I've mentioned half the things I've discovered online they know nothing about it. Only the private dentist had ever heard of Xylitol ( a sugar substitute that is anti-cavity).

Anyhoo, didn't know what Prader Willi Syndrome was - just had to look it up.
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Seperated June 2010 from my husband. One daughter DOB 26/07/2006. BFP 06/01/2011, due september but 'high risk' for premature birth.

Hi. Im Jolene. 31 years old. I suffered three years of a short luteal phase and didnt think I could get pregnant again without medical assistance but fell pregnant by accident and naturally. I am really happy and excited to be having a baby although knowing Im going it alone this time is a bit daunting and scary!
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December 15th, 2009, 06:26 AM
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Oh you got a big ear full then! It isn't fun, but we handle it well. Robbie is a real joy too.

Im gonna pray that Dakota's adult teeth aren't as effected by this as her baby teeth. Robbie's baby teeth were far worse then his adult teeth.
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December 15th, 2009, 07:49 AM
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I know. Thats the hope. Did you know that WE make their baby teeth (in the womb) but they make their own adult teeth? I drank loads of milkshake (ie calcium) and took pre-natal vitamins but still, maybe something was lacking. Or its genetics.
But one reason I was determined to breastfeed longer was because it has all the right minerals etc and so I hope it has given her a very good headstart on making her next teeth!
Plus dentists seem to 'care' about saving permanant teeth don't they? I half wonder if thats why they just want to pull them out - knowing they're not permanant and not wanting to 'waste' money saving them.
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Seperated June 2010 from my husband. One daughter DOB 26/07/2006. BFP 06/01/2011, due september but 'high risk' for premature birth.

Hi. Im Jolene. 31 years old. I suffered three years of a short luteal phase and didnt think I could get pregnant again without medical assistance but fell pregnant by accident and naturally. I am really happy and excited to be having a baby although knowing Im going it alone this time is a bit daunting and scary!
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December 16th, 2009, 03:55 PM
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I hate admitting this but Austin had a very similar thing... actually I KNOW it was caused by sugar but it was my dad's fault! He used to let Austin drink tea at night. I mean Austin had a glass of tea sitting beside his bed when he spent the night with my dad & when we woke up he just got a drink all night long. We had constant fights about that. Anyway, Austin had the teeth extracted... 19 at one time & at the age of 6 or 7. I'm here to tell you that depending on how bad they are here in the US they don't just cap them. In Austin's case they pulled them. And yes it does affect the adult teeth... as the orthodontist put it, there's a traffic jam... areas where only 1 tooth will really fit but 3 are growing in. We need to get braces & that's what the orthodontist recommends in our case but I'm not sure if that's going to happen... we'll see.

Anyway, I know how you feel. I felt like a terrible mother & the dr's gave me those looks too but I'm not & I know you're not!
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December 17th, 2009, 01:12 AM
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Thanks Amanda. It really does amaze me when I find out similar stories as at times you feel so alone.
Her top 4 teeth and the two behind her canines are black/brown and the front ones just stubs level with the gumline. Two at the bottom (the matching ones to the two above behind the canines) have small holes. Well, one does, the other has a black stain/streak in the crevice but the private dentist thought it might just be that - a staining.
I was hoping IF she has them pulled they would just pull the top ones but they said they would pull the bottom as well so that would be 8. Now, if the two back ones go that will be 10.
I was in contact with dentists online and it was through them I learn't that it is better to keep the teeth IN if possible as they guide the next teeth through. Thats why I haven't yet agreed to have them out even though the nhs (lady) dentist does ask me. I say IF they hurt her then yes we'll pull them.
But I am wondering if having them in makes the decay more likely to spread to the other teeth?

OH yes...and speaking of family members.....my mums boyfriend (they're not together anymore but when they were) he gave my daughter Dr Pepper a couple of times when she was only 1yrs old. I was mad and told him I didn't want her to have it (I was more worried about her stomach and all that acid) but he was like 'chill, won't do her no harm'. That time she just had a sip but another time him and my mum were babysitting and he told me he had given her more and that she loved it...grrr
She also banged her front teeth a few times (she was an early walker) and made them bleed and I have wondered if that made an opening?

But well...you know how you can go in circles thinking about the why's and what ifs of these things.

So how was Austin after having his pulled? I was saying to hubby that we'll have to blend all her food and she'll be on a liquid diet if she has 10 teeth out!!!
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Seperated June 2010 from my husband. One daughter DOB 26/07/2006. BFP 06/01/2011, due september but 'high risk' for premature birth.

Hi. Im Jolene. 31 years old. I suffered three years of a short luteal phase and didnt think I could get pregnant again without medical assistance but fell pregnant by accident and naturally. I am really happy and excited to be having a baby although knowing Im going it alone this time is a bit daunting and scary!
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December 17th, 2009, 04:56 PM
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Actually it wasn't so bad after they were pulled... maybe he had enough teeth that he could still chew everything okay or he just gummed it to death! Never really noticed anything out of the ordinary with his eating!
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December 18th, 2009, 12:55 AM
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I have heard that...about the gums being hard so they can still eat.

Also, I mean't to say before....although you blame the tea (and your dad) for those teeth I DO think there is a genetic weakness there first as I see women who give their children chocolate milk day and night and fizzy drinks and their teeth don't deteriorate so fast. I think some children must just have soft enamel....but dentists are very quick to JUST blame diet.

I am very confused about how to handle having a second baby. I was so proud to breastfeed on demand and not use pacifiers (my daughter didn't want them anyways) but now I wonder if I should do things very differently? Sucking on a pacifier at night will be much heathier than sipping mummy milk.....although they can effect speech so I prefer not to use them? Plus children are different...my second may not have 'weak teeth'? SO hard!!!
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Hi. Im Jolene. 31 years old. I suffered three years of a short luteal phase and didnt think I could get pregnant again without medical assistance but fell pregnant by accident and naturally. I am really happy and excited to be having a baby although knowing Im going it alone this time is a bit daunting and scary!
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