[MotherFrog]

I'm sharing the SI information that I have found. I wrote this in order to explain SI, since there are a few ladies on JM taking it.

Taking Soy Isoflavones may be beneficial to Ovulation! Taking it through out your cycle may or may not be such a good thing. It's recommended that a woman take SI for 5 days only and then stop! For example CD 2-6, 3-7, or 4-8. Ovulation could/should happen 10-24 days after the last dose of the SI. SI mgs about equal the same mgs of Clomid. Some women have had success taking only 80 mgs of SI but more have had success taking 120-160 mgs. Basically SI works in a similar way as Clomid does by blocking the estrogen receptors in your brain which stimulates the production of FSH. The sudden stop of SI basically lets the estrogen comes back big time! Once it goes over a certain level, your ovaries basically pop an egg! Most women that I've spoke to have had more success with taking SI on CD's 2-6 or 3-7.

A somewhat useful link TwoWeekWAIT.com - TTC Trends Newsletter - January 2006

I used to have the info on what CD's while taking the SI was better egg quality but I can't find it. I believe it's 2-6 and 3-7, I'm not sure.

Some women have found a lack of CM while taking the SI but the majority that I've spoken to haven't had that problem, and personally I've had tons of EWCM.

Now, I've stated before that we are basically NTNP right now. I'm still taking the SI but not totally for TTC. AF showed up on time for once this cycle and was easier for me to deal with and I think the SI had something to do with that.

[mommy jenn]

im using soy this cycle. I have PCOD, LPD and FHSD
i took soy last year while ttcing my dd and i got pg on it but had a chem preg.

Im hoping for good things this cycle, not for earlier O (because i really dont think it makes you O earlier) but for a stronger O with better FHS production. If the first half of my cycle is healthy it should help my LP.

only time will tell!

[MotherFrog]

It can throw your O date off by a couple days. Last cycle it was CD 15, one day later and this cycle it was CD 12. Not sure if I actually released an egg this time because I am still unsure of my prolactin levels (forgot my meds last week!) but I know my body geared up for it.

I think with the combination of forgetting my prolactin meds last week and taking the 160 mgs of SI, I may have actually O'd but we won't be doing any early testing.

[Mommy2Dakota]

Thanks for the info!

I am trying CD2-6 at 165mg SI. I'll let y'all know what or if there are any noticable changes!
My progesterone in Aug (09) was just 5 at 7dpo...though I am sure I ovulate as my charts show a rise but maybe its a weak egg and so doesn't produce enough progesterone for my luteal phase? I hope SI will fix this!

[MotherFrog]

Hey Jo, have you tried adding progesterone cream after O?

[mommy jenn]

JO: you are right. an malformed follie/egg can cause you to have lower progesterone. Im hoping that the soy helps make my egg a little healthier and i will be using progesterone cream to fix my LPD. im also using VIt B6, looks like we will both be ovulating in Jan!

HERES TO AN OCTOBER BABY!! WOOT WOOT!

[Mommy2Dakota]

Yep. Tried the cream. I used it three times a day but didn't help my LP. And upto 300mg B6

Thought I'd do the SI and just 100mg B6.

[mommy jenn]

ff thinks I od... that would be nice but i doubt it very much. i have never Od before CD20 in my life. (Cept on clomid)

whatever... i guess we will have to see.

[MotherFrog]

Jenn you still have a bit to go. Benefit of hitting O early is that long LP!

[Mommy2Dakota]

Hey Jenn, well, it IS early and FF could change the date based on later temps cos I see the 36.60 range isn't that unusual for you pre-ov.
At the same time though, you never know? At least you DTD at an OK time and you don't know if the Soy has changed something for you! I had a strange higher-than-norm temp today as well and a big cramp but it is way WAY too early to mean anything I am sure!

[mommy jenn]

exactly! i only O after CD20. so i really dont think it O at all. i should only O in the new year. so i will carry on dtd and see.

[Mommy2Dakota]

So how come your cycles are so long? Sorry if you have it posted somewhere else! My memory isn't so great at remembering everyones 'story'

[mommy jenn]

I have pcod. with this i have an fhs defect and lp defect... great huh?
sometimes my body tries to ovulate early (like nowish) but i dont surge and then i just grow myself a nice big cyst. thats why its pcod... its like pcos but slightly different.

[Mommy2Dakota]

Oh I see. I sometimes wonder if I might have PCOS...esp if I don't ovulate as the doc thinks but my chart shows I do? So maybe it turns into a cyst instead? But would my CD3 and 7dpo blood tests have shown that...other than just low progesterone? i don't know. I gotta have another test this cycle so we'll see huh?

Is that why your on met 1000mg? (is that from the doc?)

[mommy jenn]

im surprised your doc accepts your chart. i took my charts to my doc when ttcing my dd and he laughed at me and told me that was a bunch of horse poo and i shouldnt waste my time with all this rubbish (what does he know)
my doc is a real *****... i wanna find a new one but i havent started looking yet.

anyway, the met is from my aunt she is a doc and she did some research into met helping with pcod and pcos and she prescribed it to me after i asked for it. my doc would have told me to stay on the pill and suck it up (yeah this is why i didnt have my baby with him... oh and why im looking for a new doc)
so she sent me a whole bunch and i am only taking 1000mg (she said 1500mg but i dont want to push it just yet, i suffered badly with the side effects in the beginning)

if your doc is open to stuff you should ask him about it. maybe take some research to him and let him check it out and maybe he will do more test and even put you on it. most docs check your insulin resistance first and i am NOT IR so no doc would have prescribed it to me, but there is extensive research that shows that it works for pcos suffers without IR.

its alot to understand... hope im not bombarding you with information but if you would like some links to check out give me a shout and ill post some for you.

[Mommy2Dakota]

LOL.....quote "
im surprised your doc accepts your chart. i took my charts to my doc when ttcing my dd and he laughed at me and told me that was a bunch of horse poo and i shouldnt waste my time with all this rubbish (what does he know)
my doc is a real *****... i wanna find a new one but i havent started looking yet."

Er, no...my doc is very not OK! She also thought that charting means nothing (and opks' too) which is why she says I don't ovulate AT ALL based on my one progesterone level (which was a 5 at 7dpo) she also told me off for having the test at '7dpo' as opposed to CD21 (I usually ovulate around Cd19 - according to my charting anyhoo). So I am having my test done on CD22 (as 21 is a sunday) this month and it will be interesting if the result is higher. Iit would prove that I do ovulate...maybe...? The docs get mixed up (I think) with low progesterone caused my no ovulation and low progesterone caused by inadequate corpus lutem (the part of the egg that makes progesterone AFTER ovulating).
My question is - if, as the doc says, my charts mean nothing and I haven't ovulated in all of the two and a half years I've been ttc...how come I got pregs once, although miscarried (2yrs ago)?
Pft...well...they just shrug and say our bodies fluctuate - or every woman varies - blah blah.

I saw a second doc too but she basically said the same. Both say I needed to wait ANOTHER 6mths (on top of my 2.5yrs) and then come back. Made me mad cos I've had this LPD this long, I can't see it changing in 6 mths. Well, I only have til Feb to wait left so I guess its not so bad. I expect they'll give me Clomid.

[mommy jenn]

i cant believe they telling you to wait another 6 months... do they not get that you have already been trying for 2 and a half years??????????? that would piss me off.

i know this sounds really really bad but what bout trying clomid? but i mean buying it online? im not encouraging it but i know other women who have stupid doc that say "come back in 1 year" or (and this one gets me) "you have plenty of time just carry on trying" - i could kill for less.
anyway, doctors seem to not understand what we are going though. you would think that they have some compassion...

anyhoo, either keep trying different doctors or self medicate... we are self medicating with soy anyway.

[Mommy2Dakota]

I know! Thats what I have been doing...keep trying natural remedies and stuff.

They told me I have to wait cos I was breastfeeding. My periods came back when my daughter was 9mths old. I got pregs (but miscarried) when she was 16-17mths old (and nursing). I started charting, found I had a LPD but had read that MAYBE it was cos of nursing. But around me, online and not, lots of women seemed to be getting pregs even when nursing. I spoke to a breastfeeding counciller who hadn't heard of anyone having this trouble getting pregs. But I knew the docs wouldn't give me Clomid whilst nursing so I waited. My daughter cut down to just two nursings at about 27mths old but my LP never improved at all. Then she stopped completely before my June cycle. My LP didn't gain even an extra day so thats when I had the bloodtests August. My prolactin was normal (thats the one that makes milk and can stop ovulation/cause LPD). And yet the docs said 'we need a longer gap since you stopped nursing'.
Thats 7 cycles I've had now and still my LP is 7-9 days.
Its crazy, but thats docs for you.
I wish I had lied about nursing!

But, oh well, I am onto trying the Soy now. Every cycle I seem to try something new to give me a little hope. Its just so hard! But SURELY 2010 has got to be it! Hasn't it?

[mommy jenn]

oh i see.
yeah bfing can throw your cycles out i stopped bfing at 4 weeks. i couldnt take it anymore. i suffer with depression and i just couldnt. morgan suffered with terrible colic too and when we moved to formula it all went away.

anway, can i give you some advice with the Vit B6.

for the first week or two double your dose. take 100mg in the morning and 100mg at night. This way you are creating a constant stream of Vit B and it should help your lpd. i also have an LPD. also try getting your hands on some progesterone cream to i use SOLAL because it is bio identical.

i really hope we get out bfps soon...

[Mommy2Dakota]

I tried progesterone cream before...although it is VERY expensive so when it didn't do anything the first month I stopped. I wasn't too sure how much to use, but I did one squirt 3 times a day. Thats supposed to be 60mg of progesterone.

Wow, thats interesting about the B6. Do you think it really makes a difference taking it twice a day instead of 200mg once??? i tried 300mg last cycle (3 tabs together in the morn).
The Soy I got has B6 in it but as I have done my 5 days now I was gonna go back to the B6 for the rest of my cycle tomorrow. I'll try 2x 100mg twice a day then! Thanks!