[♥Ashley♥]

I just spoke with my dr. FINALLY (she never calls back after leaving numerous messages with the nurses). When I had my first miscarriage back in December, she told me if it ever came to it that after 3 losses she would do some testing to try and figure out if there is any cause for all of this. Well, I just spoke with her and told her I just experienced the 3rd loss and she said (as always) chemical pregnancies are SO common and she doesnt consider them miscarriages, or a real cause for concern. Now, dont get me wrong I know they are very common, but 3 in a row, two of which were on the exact same day (the day AF should have shown). I dont know I just really feel its a progesterone problem because of that fact. My doctor is so mean I just want a new dr, but its kind of scary for me to switch she knows alot about me, and has been my dr for years. And maybe I am just some crazy lady who should just calm down, but its just really scary to me because it was 3 in a row and I want to know im okay rather than wondering if something is wrong. Do you think any doctor will do the testing knowing that they were early losses? Or do you think even if I did switch they would all consider it "Not a cause for concern just yet"?

Sorry for my rambling I get so stressed/worried/sad/scared when I think about all of this.

[~Jess~]

Are you sure you're even pregnant? It just seems so odd that you bleed each month on the day your period is due. Sounds like a regular non-pregnant cycle. I mean, yeah, if it happened once I'd say it was just coincidence that you had a loss on the day your period was due, but to happen 3 times in a row? I tried to find pics of your bfps but couldn't find any. Can you share them? Maybe you're seeing evaps and thinking they're positives? I'm really trying to ease your mind. Maybe you're not having losses at all!

[♥Ashley♥]

They were all FRER's I dont think they give evaps, and on all of them my temps went up differently than any other cycle. On this last one I was in Florida and I used IC's first but quickly followed up with an FRER and didnt take pictures while I was on vacation. Im sorry to sound rude, I really respect you and your opinions but I really took offense to what you said. Im not going to go any farther with that because im not one to cause arguments or drama on JM I just wanted to let you know, it was hurtful. I can tell the difference between a +hpt and an evap, not to mention the fact that I always use FRER's for that very reason I hate $ store tests. This is a really hard thing for me to go through and its just hard to hear someone say "Are you sure you were pregnant".

Oh, and Im sure I deleted my BFP pics because I didnt want to look at them. But I will look back and see if I have any of them.

[szczepanski]

I know you don't feel comfortable leaving your doctor...but maybe you could just go talk to another doctor about your situation, your history and what you think may be the problem. We are more in tune to our bodies and if you feel that its the progesterone thats a problem, you should follow that through.

There is nothing wrong with a second...third...fourth opinion. I say keep looking until you get an answer you feel comfortable with or the answer you are looking for. People get second opinions all the time and if you need to go talk to someone else to start looking for answers - I think the sooner the better.

I'm so sorry you keep having to go through this.

[♥Ashley♥]

I have actually just now put in a call to my sisters OBGYN who she loves maybe she can help me, and also a fellow TTC#1 member suggested a 7DPO progesterone test, which I think I will be calling my current doctor and asking her to for. I *hope* she'll do it.

Thanks for your input Heather!

I don't think Jess was trying to be hurtful, but optimistic. I don't think these things come across well over the net sometimes

Now, I don't want to go the opposite route and sound like an alarmist or anything, but I would go see a different doctor. I think you would regret it if you just went along with this one and then continue to have problems getting pregnant. Plus, she sounds insensitive which you don’t need to deal with.

If you would like me to put on my faux-doctor's hat I think that you may be an early implanter. I am an early implanter, and I had 3 chemicals too. With one my period came "on schedule", with another it was delayed a day or two, and the third was delayed for several days. They seemed to be trying to stick I suppose. Anyways, it isn't so unusual when you have a long 13 or 14 day LP like we both do and then have a chemical that your period would show up on time. So maybe your lining is not always good enough that soon after ovulation. I think that combined with bad eggs was what held me back (among other things).

I think there are some things you can do though to help that in the mean time. Maybe acupuncture? So far every TTC with meds girl I know from JM that has used acupuncture eventually got pregnant and stayed pregnant. A few were on natural cycles too! Maybe look into that and in the meantime talk to a new doctor

[IamMom]

I would definitely get a second opinion and talk to some other doctors....if you are willing to go thru the tests they should do them. I think Jess was just trying to help think of some other scenarios of why you're getting + hpt's but then bledding right when AF is due. I really don't think she meant to hurt your feelings In the TCOYF book the author does mention that some women can get + hpt's but never get a positive blood test....the body can do wacky things with hormones and maybe your body is producing the pregnancy hormone for some other reason than a true pregnancy. I totally believe you were getting +'s - I've seen them all....but have you ever had a blood test? (I can't remember)... there is just something up for sure and I think you should definintely start seeing other doctors or even maybe an RE? Good luck Ashley - I really hope whatever is going on it can be corrected and you get your big big big BFP !!!!

[~Jess~]

I'm so sorry that I hurt your feelings, that was not my intention at all. I really hope you find the answer and that there's an easy fix for you. Definitely see a different dr. for sure!

[*krista*]

I agree with the other ladies on seeing a different doctor, and going to different docs until you find one that will actually help you. I'm glad you have scheduled an appointment with a new doc!

[Lash]

Let me tell you about my progesterone saga and how incredibly difficult it has been for me-- I've been to 3 doctors over the last year, doing testing on the correct dpo day and all tell me I have to wait over a year to start progesterone. That ridiculous to me, since I'm not asking for some insane high powered drug, its just progesterone. I have and still have 20-23 day cycles sometimes up to 25 days and have all the signs plus a "chemical" loss and still no prescription

Its been a big battle for some reason I dont understand since its seems to be such a harmless drug/hormone. I really hope someone listens to you. I got the exact exact same response-- I had to have over 3 losses before they'd even look at me for that. I couldnt even get pregnant 3 times much less have losses

Let me tell you about my progesterone saga and how incredibly difficult it has been for me-- I've been to 3 doctors over the last year, doing testing on the correct dpo day and all tell me I have to wait over a year to start progesterone. That ridiculous to me, since I'm not asking for some insane high powered drug, its just progesterone. I have and still have 20-23 day cycles sometimes up to 25 days and have all the signs plus a "chemical" loss and still no prescription

Its been a big battle for some reason I dont understand since its seems to be such a harmless drug/hormone. I really hope someone listens to you. I got the exact exact same response-- I had to have over 3 losses before they'd even look at me for that. I couldnt even get pregnant 3 times much less have losses

[**Jenn**]

Ashley, I'm so angry at your doctor! She sounds incredibly insensitive. I can't believe she said that she doesn't consider your losses "real" losses. That is bull! I don't care when you started bleeding, you were pregnant and you lost three little babies. I'm so glad you contacted another doctor and I really hope this one does some testing for you and you get some answers. If you're not proactive then no one else will be! If it was me I would stop asking and start demanding what you want!

I had a very insensitive gyno when I had my miscarriage--she referred to my baby as "debris in my uterus." Needless to say I never went back and it was a great decision for me.

I really, really hope you get some answers and a compassionate doctor to help you.

[szczepanski]

Ashley, I really hope this new doctor can give you the answers you need.

I agree with seeing a different doctor sweetie Im sorry your doc was such a butthole to you. I dont think that was right of her to say to you. Obviously she has never had a loss. No matter how early or late in the pregnancy it is, its still a baby and its still terribly heartbreaking!!

[ScottishBrit]

Im sorry Ash, Is there anyway you would even try to get a second Opinion from another doctor is you dont want to leave your doctor? It's worth a shot.

[soImarriedAnerd]

I would go for a second opinion also. I just also want to throw out there that midwives CAN do the early testing also just like doctors....but in my experience m/w are more sensitive. It may be something you want to think about.

I'm sorry Ash, and I do hope another opinion can change your feelings/what you know!! I'm planning to get a new Dr. in the next couple of months because mine simply rubs me the wrong with {Esp. with the "PCOS Dx" and THEN when everything came back normal she "educated" me on the mess my thyroid can cause.} Good luck sweetie!

[JediRach]

I would look into getting a new doctor dear. If you are worried about something she should be too. You know your body.

[Augie]

Most of what I wanted to say, has been said. However, I want to invite you over to the Recurrent Miscarriage and Pregnancy Loss board.

[♥Ashley♥]

Originally Posted by Augie

Most of what I wanted to say, has been said. However, I want to invite you over to the Recurrent Miscarriage and Pregnancy Loss board.

Thank you, I didnt know there was one. I will head over there soon!

[freesiangel]

I'm sorry your doctor is being a B. No one should have to be forced to wait, especially when you KNOW something isn't right.

I know this can be difficult, but did you DEMAND she run these tests? Not suggest or merely mention it, but get all bad-assed and tell her point blank that this is how it's going to be or you're leaving her. Don't get rude or angry, just firm (I work with a lot of doctors and if they feel threatened, they do take action against you - so the anger route never works).

I think it takes a lot of work to find a doctor that is good for you. I went through FIVE doctors before I found the one I have now, and I just adore her. I spent a lot of time with doctors and in the hospital as a kid, so I've always been very proactive about my health because I don't want to be in that situation again. No one cares about me more than I do.

I know this is scary, we're taught that doctors know best - well, in my experience they don't. This drives my DH nuts because he thinks I should listen to and do whatever my doctor tells me, and I tell him that I consider what she tells me "suggestions," and I weigh them into my ultimate decision.

Good luck Ashley! Be strong when you call your doctor back for those tests!! Write down what you want to say if you have to, that way you won't forget anything!