[ScottishBrit]

I posted this in the AP board but wondering what you guys think???

I know there are sooooo many definitions in CIO but Im not sure if this Qualifies as It? Cambria is 13 ( almost 14 ) months now and we've always held her and rocked her to sleep with a bottle. I eventually want to break her of that but were not there yet. Before she would fall asleep with the bottle and I would be able to move her into the PnP without her waking up. Now she will drink her bottle while Im rocking her and stay awake. Ill hold her as long as possiable but she seems to wake up more. So I put her down. She cry's....It's not a upset kinda cry more like a Im soooo tired but I dont want to shut my eye's kinda cry. Usually she'll stop with in 15 mins sometimes It can last up to 40 but thats rare. Im not for letting a baby CIO but Im not sure in this Instince..WWYD?

[IamMom]

Dr. Marc Weissbluth has a great book that outlines the whole spectrum of sleep training from no cry solutions to total crying....we went with something in the middle called graduated extinction. Dr. Richard Ferber also has a great book that explains incorrect sleep associations - which is what it sounds like is Cambria's problem (has to rock or have bottle to go to sleep)...he really puts it into perspective to show how much damage it actually does to kids natural body rhythms to not be sleeping good.

I don't think it sounds like cry it out.....we did the "go in every five minutes thing...no picking up but we'd at least let him know we were close by and taking care of him" - crying lasted two or three nights....after that - he went into the crib awake and went to sleep!

Good luck!

[~*Bethy*~]

Have you tried laying her down with a bottle, or even cuddling her till her bottles done, then laying her down? I let Ian CIO for about 10 minutes and hes never taken longer than that to pass out when I let him CIO. Even now he whines a bit and gets tired and crashes. They have to learn eventually that you wont always come back when they cry the "Im farking exhausted but dont wanna sleeeeeeeep" cry. Keep talking to her, encourage her to lay down, then give her a few minutes to adjust.

I hate putting kids to bed period

~Beth

I think each person has their own defination of what CIO is. I say ignore what everyone else thinks and go by your gut instinct, if you feel comfortable doing what you're doing, keep going but be consistent and strong. Don't do it one night, not the next and do it the next as it wont work... BTDT lol!

I'm not sure if you read in my posts that we are doing "sleep training" with Kirsty? We started it last Monday night. I've always BF her to sleep, then transferred her to her cot, if she woke up during transfer, I'd rock her to sleep. She is too heavy and wriggly for me now and the whole thing of falling asleep on me and waking up in the middle of the night in her cot, started causing us problems, she didn't know where she was when she woke.

Anyway, I strayed from my point lol! We are currently doing 5mins of crying, going in to reassure, and continuing this until she falls asleep or goes quiet. Initially I had to pick her up, so I did controlled crying and the pick up./put down methods combined. Mostly now she'll take her dummy and we just do the 5min crying thing. It hasn't gone past 30 mins as yet.

Ams, just go with what works for you. IMO CIO is baby being left to cry for a long period of time without any reassurance, and whilst that works for some babies, it doesn't work for all. The parent needs to be comfortable in doing what they want to do. It's not right or wrong... it's only right or wrong for an individual baby.

[Mars]

Aimee, I'm not sure about the CIO methods so I really can't comment on that.

I wanted to find out a little more about Cambria falling asleep with the bottle in her mouth since we're always told here not to do that since it can result in baby tooth decay. Does she want to have the bottle in her mouth even after she starts to fall off to sleep?

p.s. does she take a dummy? It's become our best friend and a HUGE step in Kirsty's independent sleeping.

[Resi]

I think you need to follow what feels right for you and Cambria. If it's working and you feel okay with it then don't question it.

I should take my own advise. Oliver basicly cried it out on our car ride back from Chicago yesterday. He cried/sobbed like never before. It went on for around 45 mins and then he fell asleep. There was nothing I could do but talk, sing, and stroke his head while I drived. There was no safe place for me to stop. Sometimes we have to do CIO when there is no other choice.

[~*Bethy*~]

Oh Resi Ive been there!! you sing to them and they just cry louder!!! Poor baby

Fi - hunny - whats a dummy??

Dummy = UK name for pacifier/soother Sorry!

My mom never let me cry it out and always let me sleep when and how I pleased. I was 5 years old (yes, 5!) when they finally let me "cry it out". I would fall asleep every night on the couch with my parents and then my dad would carry me into my room. They decided, "This is it. She needs to go to sleep in her bed!" Well, that first night, I probably cried and threw a tantrum for over an hour.

If you keep supporting "bad" (and that definition is different for everyone), your baby will have a hard time learning. I know people who are adamently against any form of CIO who say that they child eventually figured it out and now falls asleep in their own bed and sleeps through the night. I don't know, I guess its possible?

We did CIO for 3-4 nights with Reid when he was 6 or 7 months old. It saved my life! He was waking 5+ times a night to nurse and it would sometimes take me an hour to get him down at night.

I will never let Reid cry if I feel like he's not ready for sleep. Our routine is to go in his room, sit in the chair, have a bottle, and then into the crib. He is always awake when I lay him in his crib, but RARELY fusses. He doesn't make a peep and falls asleep on his own 19 out of 20 times. Last night, I got too bold and after I set him in his crib, i went to get something out of his closet before I left the room. Well, that didn't work out because Reid saw me and was like, "why are you still here" and cried for about 5 mins after I left the room. I hate it when he cries, but I think that sometimes you have to just let them. I'm not a major advocate of CIO, but I think that if you really have tried everything else, you are at your wits end, and your LO is not sleeping healthily (is that a word, lol) that CIO can work and shouldn't be so deeply frowned upon.

[IamMom]

Originally Posted by Bre+Will=Reid

My mom never let me cry it out and always let me sleep when and how I pleased. I was 5 years old (yes, 5!) when they finally let me "cry it out". I would fall asleep every night on the couch with my parents and then my dad would carry me into my room. They decided, "This is it. She needs to go to sleep in her bed!" Well, that first night, I probably cried and threw a tantrum for over an hour.

If you keep supporting "bad" (and that definition is different for everyone), your baby will have a hard time learning. I know people who are adamently against any form of CIO who say that they child eventually figured it out and now falls asleep in their own bed and sleeps through the night. I don't know, I guess its possible?

We did CIO for 3-4 nights with Reid when he was 6 or 7 months old. It saved my life! He was waking 5+ times a night to nurse and it would sometimes take me an hour to get him down at night.

I will never let Reid cry if I feel like he's not ready for sleep. Our routine is to go in his room, sit in the chair, have a bottle, and then into the crib. He is always awake when I lay him in his crib, but RARELY fusses. He doesn't make a peep and falls asleep on his own 19 out of 20 times. Last night, I got too bold and after I set him in his crib, i went to get something out of his closet before I left the room. Well, that didn't work out because Reid saw me and was like, "why are you still here" and cried for about 5 mins after I left the room. I hate it when he cries, but I think that sometimes you have to just let them. I'm not a major advocate of CIO, but I think that if you really have tried everything else, you are at your wits end, and your LO is not sleeping healthily (is that a word, lol) that CIO can work and shouldn't be so deeply frowned upon.

well said bre!!!