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  #341  
February 5th, 2014, 10:13 PM
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I'm sorry Amy and Liyana... I hope even with AF maybe you are preggers...are you still getting a blood test tomorrow? I POAS this morning and there was a faint line..I'll post pic later maybe I'm seeing things... I'm 7dpt 3dt so maybe I'll test again tomorrow.
I wish you the best honey and lets us now about your situation, I hope soo much that this cycle works for You!!
Do you have some embies in the fridge aswell?
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DH 24 ME 27

TTC since Mai 2012

IVF/ICSI #1
ER: 14.01.14 (retrived 14 eggs, 8 was mature, all 8 fertilized)
ET: 17.01.14 (One, 8 cell perfect embryo transfered, 5 frosties)
BETA: 13dp3dpt, 30.01.2014
BFP on Clearblue digi on 30th January, FMU, before my BETA
1st BETA 49,
2nd BETA 3 Feb. 2014. was 120...
Our IVF failed...AF came 9.02.14

IVF #2
FET was scheduled 4.04.14
5 frosties didn`t survived the night...their`s development stopped..


IVF/ICSI #3
ER: 17.06.14 (retrived 12 eggs, 6 fertilized)
ET: 19.06.14 ( Two, 4-cell embies transfered) BFN!! 3 frosties

BETA: 14dp2dt, 03.07.14 Negative

IVF#4
FET is planned in beginning in September


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  #342  
February 5th, 2014, 10:13 PM
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Liyana, it is totally normal not to see anything on the ultrasound right now, even if the pregnancy is perfectly fine. Usually you can't see anything until your beta is around 1200, so don't let the ultrasound alone discourage you.
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  #343  
February 5th, 2014, 10:17 PM
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We won't be doing beta Friday. AF has made her appearance like clock work. Still bfn on hpt. We are done for this cycle.
Uhh Amy!!
I am soo sad...I know how it feels! You are not alone, in here!
((Hugs))
I know that there is words what could describe our feelings right now...
But crying is not making this situation either better... I have cried a lot...I cant say how broken my soul is...
uhh...
What are your next plans? How You are planning to go forward?
Was is you first frech long IVF cycle? I am so sorry to hear that you don't have any frosties
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Our history
DH 24 ME 27

TTC since Mai 2012

IVF/ICSI #1
ER: 14.01.14 (retrived 14 eggs, 8 was mature, all 8 fertilized)
ET: 17.01.14 (One, 8 cell perfect embryo transfered, 5 frosties)
BETA: 13dp3dpt, 30.01.2014
BFP on Clearblue digi on 30th January, FMU, before my BETA
1st BETA 49,
2nd BETA 3 Feb. 2014. was 120...
Our IVF failed...AF came 9.02.14

IVF #2
FET was scheduled 4.04.14
5 frosties didn`t survived the night...their`s development stopped..


IVF/ICSI #3
ER: 17.06.14 (retrived 12 eggs, 6 fertilized)
ET: 19.06.14 ( Two, 4-cell embies transfered) BFN!! 3 frosties

BETA: 14dp2dt, 03.07.14 Negative

IVF#4
FET is planned in beginning in September


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  #344  
February 5th, 2014, 10:25 PM
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Liyana, it is totally normal not to see anything on the ultrasound right now, even if the pregnancy is perfectly fine. Usually you can't see anything until your beta is around 1200, so don't let the ultrasound alone discourage you.
ohh KMH,

Thank you for your comment.
You look so smart.
You have been a lot through this?
Yes I understand that U/S shows nothing but I was hoping atleast something tiny tiny spot...hmm...
this is all new for me and I am trying to write down everything and for remember next time!
Uhh.. my situation is very weird I must say that...Why I am getting BFP`s if there is nothing in my uterus.. My RE transferred tiny tiny embie
How my hormones can let my body to believe that I am preggo? weird... its making my so confused...
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Our history
DH 24 ME 27

TTC since Mai 2012

IVF/ICSI #1
ER: 14.01.14 (retrived 14 eggs, 8 was mature, all 8 fertilized)
ET: 17.01.14 (One, 8 cell perfect embryo transfered, 5 frosties)
BETA: 13dp3dpt, 30.01.2014
BFP on Clearblue digi on 30th January, FMU, before my BETA
1st BETA 49,
2nd BETA 3 Feb. 2014. was 120...
Our IVF failed...AF came 9.02.14

IVF #2
FET was scheduled 4.04.14
5 frosties didn`t survived the night...their`s development stopped..


IVF/ICSI #3
ER: 17.06.14 (retrived 12 eggs, 6 fertilized)
ET: 19.06.14 ( Two, 4-cell embies transfered) BFN!! 3 frosties

BETA: 14dp2dt, 03.07.14 Negative

IVF#4
FET is planned in beginning in September


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  #345  
February 5th, 2014, 10:36 PM
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Hoping those are BFP symptoms, Amy! I have this cold, keep having cramps and am getting some leg cramps but I'm worried AF is coming. Is it Thursday yet!?!?
How are you flhopeful? have you had BETA already ? Or I have missed something? Love to hear from you!
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Our history
DH 24 ME 27

TTC since Mai 2012

IVF/ICSI #1
ER: 14.01.14 (retrived 14 eggs, 8 was mature, all 8 fertilized)
ET: 17.01.14 (One, 8 cell perfect embryo transfered, 5 frosties)
BETA: 13dp3dpt, 30.01.2014
BFP on Clearblue digi on 30th January, FMU, before my BETA
1st BETA 49,
2nd BETA 3 Feb. 2014. was 120...
Our IVF failed...AF came 9.02.14

IVF #2
FET was scheduled 4.04.14
5 frosties didn`t survived the night...their`s development stopped..


IVF/ICSI #3
ER: 17.06.14 (retrived 12 eggs, 6 fertilized)
ET: 19.06.14 ( Two, 4-cell embies transfered) BFN!! 3 frosties

BETA: 14dp2dt, 03.07.14 Negative

IVF#4
FET is planned in beginning in September


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  #346  
February 5th, 2014, 10:38 PM
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I have done one fresh cycle of IVF and one FET, so not a ton of experience. I did also have slow-rising betas with my fresh cycle...it is horrible to not know what is going on. I'm so sorry this is happening to you!

Even when my beta was 1600-ish, all you could see on my ultrasound was a little tiny dot. You do still have an embryo in your uterus and something is growing in there...if it was unable to implant properly or is chromosomally abnormal, it may not be able to grow and develop at a rate that would indicate a viable pregnancy. I hate that you have to wait, but that is really all a person can do at this point
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  #347  
February 5th, 2014, 10:57 PM
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Liyana - I agree with Amy here. Basically you would be getting a second opinion but that's just my human response - I don't know anything science based. Would it hurt at all to keep using the suppositories? Is the doctor saying that the suppositories are the only thing preventing a miscarriage? I am praying for you Liyana.
Hi again darling
No its not hurting to use suppositories...
Suppositories are to add more value in very early pregnancy, its support it - As I have understood..
But in my case my hcg is too low,,.. so its not going to be normal pregnancy and that is why I think my RE suggested me to stop with is.. hopefully next week brings some answers and then I know (atleast) how to go forward.
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Our history
DH 24 ME 27

TTC since Mai 2012

IVF/ICSI #1
ER: 14.01.14 (retrived 14 eggs, 8 was mature, all 8 fertilized)
ET: 17.01.14 (One, 8 cell perfect embryo transfered, 5 frosties)
BETA: 13dp3dpt, 30.01.2014
BFP on Clearblue digi on 30th January, FMU, before my BETA
1st BETA 49,
2nd BETA 3 Feb. 2014. was 120...
Our IVF failed...AF came 9.02.14

IVF #2
FET was scheduled 4.04.14
5 frosties didn`t survived the night...their`s development stopped..


IVF/ICSI #3
ER: 17.06.14 (retrived 12 eggs, 6 fertilized)
ET: 19.06.14 ( Two, 4-cell embies transfered) BFN!! 3 frosties

BETA: 14dp2dt, 03.07.14 Negative

IVF#4
FET is planned in beginning in September


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  #348  
February 5th, 2014, 11:09 PM
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I have done one fresh cycle of IVF and one FET, so not a ton of experience. I did also have slow-rising betas with my fresh cycle...it is horrible to not know what is going on. I'm so sorry this is happening to you!

Even when my beta was 1600-ish, all you could see on my ultrasound was a little tiny dot. You do still have an embryo in your uterus and something is growing in there...if it was unable to implant properly or is chromosomally abnormal, it may not be able to grow and develop at a rate that would indicate a viable pregnancy. I hate that you have to wait, but that is really all a person can do at this point
Hi again KMH,

Thank you for your fast reply!
Really appreciate your answers.
Please share with me... Your first fresh IVF was successful or not...?
How many embies did you transferred for first time and how many at FET?
Yeah I wanted to see aswell yesterday a tiny tiny dot... but nothing

30.01.14 - album Fotoalbumis - Fotoalbum

here is my link of my tests and U/S picture taken yesterday.
I wanna believe that my embie is still there and hang there!!!!! Just perhaps it has stopped developing? :/ Maybe also because of me because I have not take now 2 days Progrestrone... :/ ohh my god..
This process is eating all my energy...
Yes, Your right, I have no choice I need to wait as many women in this point..
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Our history
DH 24 ME 27

TTC since Mai 2012

IVF/ICSI #1
ER: 14.01.14 (retrived 14 eggs, 8 was mature, all 8 fertilized)
ET: 17.01.14 (One, 8 cell perfect embryo transfered, 5 frosties)
BETA: 13dp3dpt, 30.01.2014
BFP on Clearblue digi on 30th January, FMU, before my BETA
1st BETA 49,
2nd BETA 3 Feb. 2014. was 120...
Our IVF failed...AF came 9.02.14

IVF #2
FET was scheduled 4.04.14
5 frosties didn`t survived the night...their`s development stopped..


IVF/ICSI #3
ER: 17.06.14 (retrived 12 eggs, 6 fertilized)
ET: 19.06.14 ( Two, 4-cell embies transfered) BFN!! 3 frosties

BETA: 14dp2dt, 03.07.14 Negative

IVF#4
FET is planned in beginning in September



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  #349  
February 6th, 2014, 05:16 AM
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Amy- You are right on the money! Stay on the suppositories! Will you be going into tomorrow? I had a chemical pregnancy with my Fresh Cycle. The blood was changing up all the time and stopping and going... Confusion! I never got a BFT on the HPT but when I went for the Beta... It WAS 19. I was indeed pregnant... But lost the pregnancy.
Whitney- What did we get on the Beta!?
Liyana- Have you started bleeding?
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  #350  
February 6th, 2014, 05:59 AM
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Just took the test at 8am and they usually don't call me until between noon and 2pm EST. My FRERs keep getting a little darker each day so I am praying that all is progressing well.

Liyana - your appointment is on Monday?
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  #351  
February 6th, 2014, 06:09 AM
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Good luck, FLhopeful

Liyana, for our fresh cycle we transferred 2 embryos and had one baby girl. For our FET we transferred two embryos and had boy/girl twins. We were super lucky to have the success that we did.
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  #352  
February 6th, 2014, 09:17 AM
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Just took the test at 8am and they usually don't call me until between noon and 2pm EST. My FRERs keep getting a little darker each day so I am praying that all is progressing well.

Liyana - your appointment is on Monday?
I need to inform my RE latest on monday if m AF has come or not...right now i dont have any sign of AF still getting positiive HPT's :/

I am hoping that u will get your Big Fat Positive
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Our history
DH 24 ME 27

TTC since Mai 2012

IVF/ICSI #1
ER: 14.01.14 (retrived 14 eggs, 8 was mature, all 8 fertilized)
ET: 17.01.14 (One, 8 cell perfect embryo transfered, 5 frosties)
BETA: 13dp3dpt, 30.01.2014
BFP on Clearblue digi on 30th January, FMU, before my BETA
1st BETA 49,
2nd BETA 3 Feb. 2014. was 120...
Our IVF failed...AF came 9.02.14

IVF #2
FET was scheduled 4.04.14
5 frosties didn`t survived the night...their`s development stopped..


IVF/ICSI #3
ER: 17.06.14 (retrived 12 eggs, 6 fertilized)
ET: 19.06.14 ( Two, 4-cell embies transfered) BFN!! 3 frosties

BETA: 14dp2dt, 03.07.14 Negative

IVF#4
FET is planned in beginning in September


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  #353  
February 6th, 2014, 09:52 AM
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Amy- You are right on the money! Stay on the suppositories! Will you be going into tomorrow? I had a chemical pregnancy with my Fresh Cycle. The blood was changing up all the time and stopping and going... Confusion! I never got a BFT on the HPT but when I went for the Beta... It WAS 19. I was indeed pregnant... But lost the pregnancy.
Whitney- What did we get on the Beta!?
Liyana- Have you started bleeding?
Hi Amber.,
No my AF has not start...my situation is soo weird...
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Our history
DH 24 ME 27

TTC since Mai 2012

IVF/ICSI #1
ER: 14.01.14 (retrived 14 eggs, 8 was mature, all 8 fertilized)
ET: 17.01.14 (One, 8 cell perfect embryo transfered, 5 frosties)
BETA: 13dp3dpt, 30.01.2014
BFP on Clearblue digi on 30th January, FMU, before my BETA
1st BETA 49,
2nd BETA 3 Feb. 2014. was 120...
Our IVF failed...AF came 9.02.14

IVF #2
FET was scheduled 4.04.14
5 frosties didn`t survived the night...their`s development stopped..


IVF/ICSI #3
ER: 17.06.14 (retrived 12 eggs, 6 fertilized)
ET: 19.06.14 ( Two, 4-cell embies transfered) BFN!! 3 frosties

BETA: 14dp2dt, 03.07.14 Negative

IVF#4
FET is planned in beginning in September


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  #354  
February 6th, 2014, 09:58 AM
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Went ahead and used the crinone yesterday. Did another POAS this morning. BFN. But overnight, I went into massively heavy bleeding (worse than my normal period). The RE called first thing this morning. Did the beta as a precaution. Just called with results. BFN. About what I expected. I start BC on Saturday and go the 19th for my consult. So, we are definitely out this cycle. But we will move forward and are most likely looking at a March cycle.

I'll still be checking in on everyone from time to time. Hope all is doing well! Wishing everyone the best of luck!!!

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2003--tubal ligation
2004--divorce
2007--remarried, DH has no biological children
2008--tubal reversal
2011--lap
2013--diagnosed with too much damage to tubes, totally useless

IVF #2
3/14/14-- ER, 12 eggs retrieved, all 12 fertilized by ICSI
3/19/14-- ET, 2 Beautiful 5 day blasts transferred, 5 frosties!
3/24/14-- Faint BFP w/FMU.
3/31/14-- Beta = 578!! U/S scheduled for 4/14!
4/14/14-- U/S confirms TWINS!! Strong heart beats, perfect shape and perfect size!
6/11/14-- TWIN BOYS!!!!
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February 6th, 2014, 10:12 AM
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First beta came back at 278. The nurse said they wanted it to be at least 50 so this was "very positive". She also said that they don't bring us back in for follow-up betas with numbers at this level but that if I wanted to check my numbers again on Saturday, they would send in the order to the lab and call me with the results on Monday. What should I do? Trust in their process or do the second test to see if it's moving in the right direction? If it's not, there's nothing I can do about it, right, so should I just wait for my u/s on the 20th?

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February 7th, 2014, 12:39 AM
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Went ahead and used the crinone yesterday. Did another POAS this morning. BFN. But overnight, I went into massively heavy bleeding (worse than my normal period). The RE called first thing this morning. Did the beta as a precaution. Just called with results. BFN. About what I expected. I start BC on Saturday and go the 19th for my consult. So, we are definitely out this cycle. But we will move forward and are most likely looking at a March cycle.

I'll still be checking in on everyone from time to time. Hope all is doing well! Wishing everyone the best of luck!!!


Hi Amy!!

I kinda feel I am in the same situation as you..
I just read your journey, what is on your page..
Look we are really close.. I had ER 14 jan and ET 17 Jan.2014....
I got BFP but still what chance I have... basically none

here is my link...30.01.14 - album Fotoalbumis - Fotoalbum
all my bfp`s are quite faint... :S
And I have NO AF still.... I am off the Progrestone right now,.. that I believe makes my BFP`s lighter aswell or not?
I hope so much that I will be aswell part of March cycle....but right now I have no clue - how to go forward...
Anyway I wanted to say aswell girls that I am also keeping all my fingers and toes here that everything goes smoothly with You!!! I will hold my eyes on your journey and I like to share everything with you!!
You are in my heart ladies!!!

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First beta came back at 278. The nurse said they wanted it to be at least 50 so this was "very positive". She also said that they don't bring us back in for follow-up betas with numbers at this level but that if I wanted to check my numbers again on Saturday, they would send in the order to the lab and call me with the results on Monday. What should I do? Trust in their process or do the second test to see if it's moving in the right direction? If it's not, there's nothing I can do about it, right, so should I just wait for my u/s on the 20th?

Hii flhopeful!

Dont worry darling, this is good result for first BETA, believe me!!
I would go and do another second BETA, actually they have to offer that to you that.
I thinking about you, but I am quite sure your numbers are good and they will rise
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Our history
DH 24 ME 27

TTC since Mai 2012

IVF/ICSI #1
ER: 14.01.14 (retrived 14 eggs, 8 was mature, all 8 fertilized)
ET: 17.01.14 (One, 8 cell perfect embryo transfered, 5 frosties)
BETA: 13dp3dpt, 30.01.2014
BFP on Clearblue digi on 30th January, FMU, before my BETA
1st BETA 49,
2nd BETA 3 Feb. 2014. was 120...
Our IVF failed...AF came 9.02.14

IVF #2
FET was scheduled 4.04.14
5 frosties didn`t survived the night...their`s development stopped..


IVF/ICSI #3
ER: 17.06.14 (retrived 12 eggs, 6 fertilized)
ET: 19.06.14 ( Two, 4-cell embies transfered) BFN!! 3 frosties

BETA: 14dp2dt, 03.07.14 Negative

IVF#4
FET is planned in beginning in September


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  #357  
February 7th, 2014, 03:14 AM
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Whitney- sure. Why not get a second beta? It will keep you calm good luck and congrats!!!!
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  #358  
February 7th, 2014, 05:24 AM
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Thanks ladies! I asked to do the second test on Saturday so just waiting to hear from the nurse if that's a go then I'll hear results from her on Monday. I wish I could be more excited but I am so fearful that this will go away. I am praying that the infertility tears and days lost to depression are finally behind me...I am normally a happy person and I'd like to get back to being that girl.

Liyana and Amy - I am really hoping you get in the March cycle and everything goes perfectly. You are in my thoughts and I hope you stick around before your next cycle begins. Please let us know when you find out the plan for moving forward.
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February 7th, 2014, 09:09 AM
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Congrats, Whitney!!

We go the 19th for our consult. I really won't know more about what we're doing and when until then but I'm sure hoping for a March cycle. Pretty sure it'll be our last one. Our insurance coverage for infertility will be maxed out after that cycle and we'd have to pay 100% out of pocket and we just don't have $14,500 to pay for a cycle beyond that one. I'll be hanging around, just not daily. I want to keep up with how everyone is doing.
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Three sons (18, 16 & 13) from first marriage
2003--tubal ligation
2004--divorce
2007--remarried, DH has no biological children
2008--tubal reversal
2011--lap
2013--diagnosed with too much damage to tubes, totally useless

IVF #2
3/14/14-- ER, 12 eggs retrieved, all 12 fertilized by ICSI
3/19/14-- ET, 2 Beautiful 5 day blasts transferred, 5 frosties!
3/24/14-- Faint BFP w/FMU.
3/31/14-- Beta = 578!! U/S scheduled for 4/14!
4/14/14-- U/S confirms TWINS!! Strong heart beats, perfect shape and perfect size!
6/11/14-- TWIN BOYS!!!!
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  #360  
February 7th, 2014, 05:01 PM
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hi Lovelies! Im sorry I was absent for the past week. I was thinking about you girls everyday. I was having withdrawls from this website & i'm soooo happy to be back.

Liyana & Amy-i'm so sorry to hear about your loss. i'm sending over huge hugs to both of you.

Whitney-congrats on your 1st beta number! it sounds really strong

sending hugs & prayers out to all of you girls!
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