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September 10th, 2012, 08:55 AM
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Can someone please explain to me why some people go by age with booster seat laws??

I just discovered Chloe spent the entire summer in Texas being driven around without a booster seat because her mom told her she was 8 now and didn't have to have one. I looked up their regulations, and it states that the child needs to be 4'9 and 100 lbs before using the adult seat belt.

She is only 4'5 and 60 lbs! She is in a booster while with us and now thinks we have her in a baby chair.

So are car seat laws really up to the parents discretion on whether or not they need to be upheld??
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September 10th, 2012, 09:06 AM
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No, not up to parents' discretion at all. Legally, if she had been pulled over without her in a booster, she could have been ticketed. But that's not even the issue. She was UNSAFE.

Lord, that woman needs some brain cells.
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September 10th, 2012, 09:40 AM
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she probably didn't know the law.. I sure didn't..
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September 10th, 2012, 09:46 AM
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Did some research because we have the same law here in Illinois. This link explains it better:


Texas Car Seat Laws | Booster Seat Law | Car Seat Requirements

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In the State of Texas Children eight (8) years of age are not required by law to use a child safety seat system.

If a child is four feet, nine inches tall (4’ 9”) the child is not required by law to use a child safety seat system even if they are younger that eight (8) years old.
So while maybe not the best safety decision, she wasn't doing anything illegal. There's a big difference between what is recommended & what is actually law.
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September 10th, 2012, 10:41 AM
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That doesn't make sense at all. Where does the age thing come from?

Age shouldn't have anything to do with it. It should be based on weight and height and the way seatbelts are designed. If they are designed for someone 4'9 and 100 lbs or more then that should be the requirement.
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September 10th, 2012, 11:00 AM
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I have no idea how age ever got into the seatbelt car seat thing because it makes no sense.

People think they can make judgment calls and while parents can there are also laws. The line between the two is so hazy for some people. M's grandfather has had him for almost 2 years and he just got a booster seat for him this past summer when we dropped M off with one. And honestly I feel like he only sits M in it because he loves how it sits him up higher. The minute M is over it, height or weight aside, he'll be out of it. Hope to God we have custody by then.


People are dumb and I'm sorry.
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September 10th, 2012, 11:47 AM
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I don't know why but it's the same in Illinois. Honestly if it were 4'9" & 100lbs, DD would be in a booster in high school.
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September 10th, 2012, 12:44 PM
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My grandma is like 4'9 or so. lol! She already has to wear a lot of girls section shoes and clothing. I can just imagine her in a booster seat
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September 10th, 2012, 02:25 PM
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So the question is then do we keep her in one or not?
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September 10th, 2012, 03:35 PM
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Katie, yes you keep her in one. Regardless if her mother is willing to risk her life, you tell her that YOU and her father are not willing to. She rides in the booster until she can fit in the seat properly. I know many people who's 10 and 12 year olds are boostered because they just do not fit.


Reme is 7 and would still be harnessed if I had my way. There's no way he'll come out of his booster at.. it's either 8 or 9 here I can't remember.

My 8 year old cousin fits in my car with no booster, she doesn't fit in her parents or my grandparents. So she rode with out it with me, and goes back into it when she goes in her mom's car.

I'll see if I can find you a link about 5 stepping in the car. It's how you're supposed to judge if a child is ready for the adult belt.
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September 10th, 2012, 04:39 PM
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They didn't have a booster seat law here until August. So O was not using one, he is just barely under the height/weight recommendation, but we're in a minivan, super safe, and it was the choice we made.

Then as of August 2012, it went to under 8 years LEGALLY has to be boostered if they are under the height weight.

So we had to break out the booster seat again for less than a month.

His birthday is in one week and we won't be using the booster after he turns 8.
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September 10th, 2012, 05:12 PM
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What are your reasons for not using something that will keep him safer?

It's not cool?

It's not convenient?

I don't get it.
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September 10th, 2012, 05:18 PM
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What are your reasons for not using something that will keep him safer?

It's not cool?

It's not convenient?

I don't get it.
We are in a minivan with bucket seats. It has nothing to do with being cool or we wouldnt be driving a minivan.

Has nothing to do with not being convenient as its just sitting on the seat right now and requires no effort from us.

Our reasoning is that he is one inch shorter than the height requirement. And when he is in the booster seat, he sits up very high in the seat. Whereas, without it, the back of his head rests against the headrest. When he's in it, he sits precariously high in the seat.

Also, when kids ride buses they don't require seat belts at ALL. So there are 5 year olds riding buses that aren't restrained at all. I don't get the logic there. Our van is very safe, and once the requirement is up, we feel he is safe without it.

For the same reason that I feel a 10 year old in a booster would make him less safe. It's all about where the seat belt crosses their chest. Owen has a long torso, so without the booster, the seatbelt lays where it's supposed to lay. With the booster, it's kind of awkward.
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September 10th, 2012, 05:27 PM
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LOL @ we drive a minivan comment.

I am going to do the test on Chloe to see if she can pass all the required checkpoints to ride with adult restraints.

They are: The child can sit with back flat against the back of the seat. Knees bent at the edge. Shoulder strap across the middle of shoulder and chest.

She's still little. I'm pretty sure she won't pass! O looks smaller than her! I'm surprised he fits.
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September 10th, 2012, 05:59 PM
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it's not just about their chest. It's also about the lap belt fit. It's also about their maturity to ride properly, at all times in the car. No falling asleep, no wiggling, no leaning, no slouching.



I'm like Katie, I can't see not doing something that would keep my child protected the longest. My kids will RF to 40 or 45 lbs (seat depending) and will ride harnessed until they out grow the tallest seat I can find,then will move to a high back, then low back booster. Some say it's excessive, I say it's safe. If there was a booster for me? I'd own it.
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September 10th, 2012, 06:04 PM
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A booster for you!!! Love it!!!!!!!
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With B we took him out when he turned 8. Both my boys are bigger for their age so the booster was really uncomfortable for him. BM threw a fit and threatened to call the cops and I told her that he was old enough and the booster hurt his hips. Then 2 weeks later she takes K who was 6 years old out of his saying he was 5ft tall and big enough. He's just now 5 ft. We kept him in a booster because we knew it was safer. If we could have found a seat big enough for B then we would have kept him in one too.
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September 10th, 2012, 06:36 PM
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I need something to fix my seat belt. My boobs are so gosh darn big the seat belt doesn't rest over my chest it just slides on up.

M doesn't have the maturity either. Although part of that could be because his grandfather told him once you get on your own property you don't have to wear a seatbelt.

I think once you reach an age where the maturity is there you can find other ways to adjust the seatbelt. But that means being committed to making sure the belt is fitting right and not fussing with it or ignoring an ill fit and I just don't think kids get there as quick as we'd think sometimes.
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LOL @ we drive a minivan comment.

I am going to do the test on Chloe to see if she can pass all the required checkpoints to ride with adult restraints.

They are: The child can sit with back flat against the back of the seat. Knees bent at the edge. Shoulder strap across the middle of shoulder and chest.

She's still little. I'm pretty sure she won't pass! O looks smaller than her! I'm surprised he fits.
O weighs somewhere around 80 lbs. He wears the seatbelt at all times, and it fits him properly. If he ever does fall asleep, it's a bucket seat, so his head just slouches over to the side, as it also would if he was in a booster.

We feel that he is properly restrained, plus, the vehicle he is in is safe and since my fiance was in a T-Bone accident when he was 17 and his best friend was thrown onto his lap and died instantly, he hardly drives over 37 mph as it is, lol.
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I need something to fix my seat belt. My boobs are so gosh darn big the seat belt doesn't rest over my chest it just slides on up.

M doesn't have the maturity either. Although part of that could be because his grandfather told him once you get on your own property you don't have to wear a seatbelt.

I think once you reach an age where the maturity is there you can find other ways to adjust the seatbelt. But that means being committed to making sure the belt is fitting right and not fussing with it or ignoring an ill fit and I just don't think kids get there as quick as we'd think sometimes.
omg, I can't even drive if I don't have on a bra (think swimsuit, not braless lol) cause there is no indent between my boobs for the belt and it ends up across my throat!!!! DH thinks it's funny, I'm just glad the pool's only a few buildings away through parking lots not streets!



and yeah Katie, we just bought me a car in July. If it didn't have a seat that moves up and down (and is stuck on up, poor dh) I'd need to put something under me to see over the wheel. It's not even a big car, it's a freaking Saturn Station Wagon! I'm already looking into pedal extenders for when we have a baby, since I wont be able to reach the pedals pregnant. I'm 5'2", I don't even know how people shorter than me drive!
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