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  #1  
March 27th, 2011, 07:59 PM
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After the procedure, I asked to see the doctor (here a nurse performs the IUI). My doctor wasn't in, but one of his colleagues agreed to come talk to us after she was done doing transfers. After reading my chart, she made a few references to DH's "low" sperm count. We have NEVER been told that DH had a low sperm count. We have been diagnosed with unexplained infertility and were always told that DH's numbers were in the normal range, so we were a little stunned and asked her to explain.

The last time we did IUI was November (that was also our first time trying IUI). The nurse that did the procedure last time said that we had a great number of good sperm to put in. She said that DH had 25.9 million and after they washed them, they had 8 million to put in.

This IUI, the nurse again said that DH had a "great" number of sperm to put in. This time he had 30 million with 20 million to put in.

Just recently I have been giving DH supplements to increase sperm production - not because I thought there was an issue, I just figured more was probably better and they are natural. The fact that we went from 8 million to put in up to 20 million makes me think the supplements are doing good things. He also went from 60% motility to 90% motility this time.

All in all this was a pretty big blow to us. I mean, it's great that his numbers improved so much, but to be told that "normal" is 20 million - 250 million means that his 30 million is definitely on the low end of "normal".

If you don't mind, can any of you that remember your numbers please tell me what the original concentration was, how much they were able to put in after washing and what the motility/morphology was please?
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TTC #1:
5/20/05:
5/27/05:
5/28/05: miscarriage
08/27/05:
08/30/05: miscarriage
01/15/05: misdiagnosed with PCOS
08/29/06: first appt at fertility clinic (was already pregnant with dd and didn't know it)
08/31/06:
05/16/07: DD was born

TTC #2:
11/13/09: let's try again!
03/10/10: tests with new OB - everything totally normal for DH and I, no indication of pcos; officially diagnosed with "Unexplained Infertility"
04/21/10 - 10/13/10: 7 unsuccessful rounds of clomid with OB
11/13/10 - 14/23/11: 3 unsuccessful IUI's with clomid at fertility clinic
07/27/11: ER for IVF - retrieved 27; 17 were mature enough to fertilize; all 17 fertilized; 11 made it to day 3 embryos; 6 made it to day 6 blasts. Transferred 1, froze 5.
08/08/11: positive hpt!
08/13/11 - 08/20/11: positive blood test (186), but cramping and bleeding. 2 days later, blood at 275; 2 days later, blood at 21. Inevitable miscarriage.
10/13/11: start suprefact for first FET
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March 27th, 2011, 08:07 PM
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The 60% to 90% motility may have been the morphology numbers...DH thinks it was morphology and now I'm not sure. At any rate, we were happy with the increase.
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TTC #1:
5/20/05:
5/27/05:
5/28/05: miscarriage
08/27/05:
08/30/05: miscarriage
01/15/05: misdiagnosed with PCOS
08/29/06: first appt at fertility clinic (was already pregnant with dd and didn't know it)
08/31/06:
05/16/07: DD was born

TTC #2:
11/13/09: let's try again!
03/10/10: tests with new OB - everything totally normal for DH and I, no indication of pcos; officially diagnosed with "Unexplained Infertility"
04/21/10 - 10/13/10: 7 unsuccessful rounds of clomid with OB
11/13/10 - 14/23/11: 3 unsuccessful IUI's with clomid at fertility clinic
07/27/11: ER for IVF - retrieved 27; 17 were mature enough to fertilize; all 17 fertilized; 11 made it to day 3 embryos; 6 made it to day 6 blasts. Transferred 1, froze 5.
08/08/11: positive hpt!
08/13/11 - 08/20/11: positive blood test (186), but cramping and bleeding. 2 days later, blood at 275; 2 days later, blood at 21. Inevitable miscarriage.
10/13/11: start suprefact for first FET
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March 27th, 2011, 08:16 PM
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My RE had always said that my DH's numbers were normal, great, good, etc, too, but when I went digging around online, I thought his numbers were borderline to just plain low. He had 39 million total with 60% motility for his SA, but at our first IUI he had 38 million total with only 40% motility and we ended up with only 5 million after wash (my RE was still saying this was fine).

I kind of freaked and put DH on supplements and had him abstain for 60 hours before our next IUI (our RE was telling us to abstain for only 36 hours)... his counts for that IUI were 120 million total sperm with 65% motility... we ended up with 15 million after the wash, which wasn't great but much better than 5 million... and we got our BFP that cycle. I don't know why some doctors feel so comfortable with lowish SA numbers, but I really think that the supplements and change in BD schedule helped my DH.

It is scary to think you have low numbers, but you really can improve them and get pregnant with numbers like that.
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March 28th, 2011, 06:09 AM
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Your numbers after the wash still sound good. From what I've been told the 'norm' that is usually reported id pretty inflated.

I was also disappointed in sperm count this time too. When we conceived DS he had 30 million after the wash, this time he had 15 million. But the minimum that they want for IUI is 300,000.
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March 28th, 2011, 06:43 AM
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I don't remember exact numbers but I do remember that DH's sperm was crap

I put him on supplements and FertilAid for Men and they improved a ton! His numbers were always good, but it was his morphology was always less than 1% [very bad]...that is why we were told I couldn't get pregnant without IVF
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March 28th, 2011, 09:37 AM
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I can't remember any of the other stuff but I got pregnant on an IUI when they put 13 million in.

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that is why we were told I couldn't get pregnant without IVF
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March 28th, 2011, 10:39 AM
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Those numbers all sound normal but are on the lower end of normal, like my dh, he is usually always on the lower end but still normal, he used to be severly low so his supplements improved things to normal but on the lower end. The 60% to 90% is definitely motility...not morphology...as the average man only has 5-7% kruger strict morphology or about 40-50% regular morphology, most places measure in kruger stict now.

Morphology is also the most controversial aspect of sperm, hard to pin point what a sperm is supposed to really look like, thats why I've seen so many diagnosed with poor morphology still go on to conceive naturally, just like Brandi.

I believe motility and the grade of the motility is the most important, if you have only 5 million sperm but 90% of them are motile and they are a grade 3 or 4 which means they are moving in a forward progressive motion, then thats better then having 50 million sperm and only have 5% motile and a grade 1 or 2 which means the sperm are not moving forward and are swimming side ways and in circles. So if your dh got up to 90% motility, don't worry as much about the counts, it only takes the work of a few sperm to penetrate the egg and one making it in to make a baby ...don't let the docs get you down!
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March 28th, 2011, 12:19 PM
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You ladies are awesome, I knew you'd be able to give me more insight in to the numbers!

I guess the thing that irritates me is that I wish they had told us 5 years ago that DH was low, even if it was the low end of normal. He has only been on the supplements for a short time and they are making a huge difference so it was such a simple fix. I can't help but feel if we had known sooner and started on the supplements sooner we may have been successful by now. Everything happens for a reason though, and hopefully we get our bfp soon.

Thanks again you guys, I really appreciate all the info. Anyone else who feels like it, please still share your numbers...DH was feeling pretty low after being called "sub-fertile" yesterday.
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TTC #1:
5/20/05:
5/27/05:
5/28/05: miscarriage
08/27/05:
08/30/05: miscarriage
01/15/05: misdiagnosed with PCOS
08/29/06: first appt at fertility clinic (was already pregnant with dd and didn't know it)
08/31/06:
05/16/07: DD was born

TTC #2:
11/13/09: let's try again!
03/10/10: tests with new OB - everything totally normal for DH and I, no indication of pcos; officially diagnosed with "Unexplained Infertility"
04/21/10 - 10/13/10: 7 unsuccessful rounds of clomid with OB
11/13/10 - 14/23/11: 3 unsuccessful IUI's with clomid at fertility clinic
07/27/11: ER for IVF - retrieved 27; 17 were mature enough to fertilize; all 17 fertilized; 11 made it to day 3 embryos; 6 made it to day 6 blasts. Transferred 1, froze 5.
08/08/11: positive hpt!
08/13/11 - 08/20/11: positive blood test (186), but cramping and bleeding. 2 days later, blood at 275; 2 days later, blood at 21. Inevitable miscarriage.
10/13/11: start suprefact for first FET
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March 28th, 2011, 05:53 PM
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last IUI was 60 million after wash; that is all i know
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IUI on 3/13/11 - BFN
April natural cycle - BFP on 4/22 - chemical confirmed 4/28
IUI done on 5/12 - BFN

IUI #4 done 6/6 - BFN
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total of 4 failed IUIs
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March 28th, 2011, 08:48 PM
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I don't know much about sperm count numbers. I've never had IUI but his semen analysis showed 75 million sperm and 95% motility. We were told that was great but if 250 million is the high end that sounds on the lower end.
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