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January 11th, 2012, 10:04 AM
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Edit: Morphology came back, so I just went ahead and edited it into the results. For anyone who didn't see the original version of this post, Morphology just said "Pending."

Ok, soooo... Here I am. Even though I said I was going to take a break. But I need help understanding these results.

First off, we've decided to go for a "second opinion." There are a LOT of reasons we don't trust Navy Medicine in general, and this lab specifically. I understand that chances are, these results are correct, but we don't want to move forward on anything until we have results we 100% trust.

And just to throw it out there, we did follow their instructions, EXACTLY, and abstained for 72hrs prior to the collection.

So I'll post what this paper lists as normal ranges, then his result.

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Volume: 1.5-5.0 :: 4.5 (normal)
Color: White or gray-white :: gray-white (normal)
Semen appear: Opaque :: Opaque (normal)
pH Semen: 7.0-8.3 :: 8.0 (normal)

Okay, so here's where stuff gets sad:
"Many WBCs" (feels like I should have a NUMBER on this, not just "many," but could also be a possible explanation for the following...)
Motile slow: 0-15% :: 18% (high, therefore bad)
Non-motile: 0-5% :: 60% (very high, therefore bad)
Morphology: 0-20%: 94%
Total count: 60-150 million/ml :: 11 million/ml (low, therefore bad)
Motile active: 85-100% :: 22% (low, therefore bad)

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If this is correct, do these look like IUI numbers? IVF numbers? I'm lost. I'm thinking IUI...? But he's knocked me up on our own THREE TIMES with NO medical assistance for EITHER of us. These numbers just seem strange to me. I'm not mentioning anything to my RE until we have our 2nd set of results for DH, so I wanted to know if you guys had any thoughts.

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If it's a prob bc of the WBCs, then antibiotics might do the trick, but that will be a three-month wait to find out, right? Or will things slowly improve every month? If his WBC is up, I'm assuming my RE will RX him antibiotics and kind of put TTC on hold till his numbers get better. Sound about accurate? I want to go that route before I put DH on any kind of vitamin regimen, so if we get a second set of results that confirms this one, and if we do the antibiotics, and if he doesn't respond to those, then I'll probably ask for input on vitamins.

Thanks for anything you can offer <3
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(Thank you Natasha for this beautiful graphic of Andrew, and to the ladies of the Nov 10 PR who help me in carrying on his memory.)


Jan. 2009: Came off years of BCP and started TTC
March 2010: BFP -- finally!
Oct. 22, 2010: Drew is born, but has to stay in the NICU because of cord complications resulting in oxygen deprivation and brain problems =(
Oct. 27, 2010: I held him in my arms while Daddy, Grandma, Great-Uncle and I sang him to sleep =( Hardest thing I've ever done...
June 14, 2011: Drew's baby brother or sister waved hi to us with a BFP!
June 25, 2011: Natural miscarriage... Can we please catch a break here?
Nov. 2011: 100mg Clomid followed by 2mg Estrogen, Ovidrel trigger, and 200mg progesterone suppositories 2x/day 14 days. BFN.
Dec. 2011: 2nd medicated cycle. BFN.
Jan. 2012: Took a month off to breathe...
Feb. 2012: Same regimen of Clomid and other meds, add IUI. 2 eggs and 8.5 million swimmers. BFN.
March 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-11, follie scan CD 8 showed 6 follies likely to mature. Triggered, IUI on CD 14, 4 million swimmers. BFN.
April 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-10. Scan showed 2 mature follies, 2 almost certain to mature, and two not likely but possible. (All 6 evenly and perfectly spaced out between the left and the right.) Triggered, IUI CD 13 with 5 million swimmers. BFN.
May 2012: 75 IU Follistim starting CD 3. Waiting to O. Timed intercourse. Likely 5 follies to mature.




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January 11th, 2012, 10:13 AM
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My DH had a positive SA. He did antibiotics for 4 weeks and them re cultured a month later. He was negative then. I have a friend whose DH had similar results to your DH and his counts did improve once the infection was gone. I don't think you can decide on iui vs ivf until his SA is negative.
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January 11th, 2012, 10:18 AM
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I don't know what you mean by "positive SA." Do you mean positive for an infection? Does it take the 3 full months to cycle through and get all the "bad sperm" out? So then, if antibiotics were for a month, 4 months?

Thank you

Also just curious if these numbers, if not explained by an infection, would look more like IUI or IVF.
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With us on earth for five short days, with us in our hearts forever.
(Thank you Natasha for this beautiful graphic of Andrew, and to the ladies of the Nov 10 PR who help me in carrying on his memory.)


Jan. 2009: Came off years of BCP and started TTC
March 2010: BFP -- finally!
Oct. 22, 2010: Drew is born, but has to stay in the NICU because of cord complications resulting in oxygen deprivation and brain problems =(
Oct. 27, 2010: I held him in my arms while Daddy, Grandma, Great-Uncle and I sang him to sleep =( Hardest thing I've ever done...
June 14, 2011: Drew's baby brother or sister waved hi to us with a BFP!
June 25, 2011: Natural miscarriage... Can we please catch a break here?
Nov. 2011: 100mg Clomid followed by 2mg Estrogen, Ovidrel trigger, and 200mg progesterone suppositories 2x/day 14 days. BFN.
Dec. 2011: 2nd medicated cycle. BFN.
Jan. 2012: Took a month off to breathe...
Feb. 2012: Same regimen of Clomid and other meds, add IUI. 2 eggs and 8.5 million swimmers. BFN.
March 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-11, follie scan CD 8 showed 6 follies likely to mature. Triggered, IUI on CD 14, 4 million swimmers. BFN.
April 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-10. Scan showed 2 mature follies, 2 almost certain to mature, and two not likely but possible. (All 6 evenly and perfectly spaced out between the left and the right.) Triggered, IUI CD 13 with 5 million swimmers. BFN.
May 2012: 75 IU Follistim starting CD 3. Waiting to O. Timed intercourse. Likely 5 follies to mature.




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January 11th, 2012, 10:19 AM
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My RE says that if the count is about 4 million, they'll do an IUI.

My DH had low everything...he looked online & saw that L-Carnitine vitamins have helped other men. I bought it at the grocery store. He takes it every night with his men's multivitamin. After 2 months, he was up from 12 million to 54 million!!! I recommend it...especially since it's a cheap over the counter vitamin.

The IUI after he was on that for 2 months, the doctor came in to do the insemination & she said "This is your husband's best sample EVER!" Our IUI didn't work, but I'm happy DH's swimmers are improving!
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January 11th, 2012, 10:25 AM
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Is L-Carn just for count or does it improve other things, too?
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With us on earth for five short days, with us in our hearts forever.
(Thank you Natasha for this beautiful graphic of Andrew, and to the ladies of the Nov 10 PR who help me in carrying on his memory.)


Jan. 2009: Came off years of BCP and started TTC
March 2010: BFP -- finally!
Oct. 22, 2010: Drew is born, but has to stay in the NICU because of cord complications resulting in oxygen deprivation and brain problems =(
Oct. 27, 2010: I held him in my arms while Daddy, Grandma, Great-Uncle and I sang him to sleep =( Hardest thing I've ever done...
June 14, 2011: Drew's baby brother or sister waved hi to us with a BFP!
June 25, 2011: Natural miscarriage... Can we please catch a break here?
Nov. 2011: 100mg Clomid followed by 2mg Estrogen, Ovidrel trigger, and 200mg progesterone suppositories 2x/day 14 days. BFN.
Dec. 2011: 2nd medicated cycle. BFN.
Jan. 2012: Took a month off to breathe...
Feb. 2012: Same regimen of Clomid and other meds, add IUI. 2 eggs and 8.5 million swimmers. BFN.
March 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-11, follie scan CD 8 showed 6 follies likely to mature. Triggered, IUI on CD 14, 4 million swimmers. BFN.
April 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-10. Scan showed 2 mature follies, 2 almost certain to mature, and two not likely but possible. (All 6 evenly and perfectly spaced out between the left and the right.) Triggered, IUI CD 13 with 5 million swimmers. BFN.
May 2012: 75 IU Follistim starting CD 3. Waiting to O. Timed intercourse. Likely 5 follies to mature.




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January 11th, 2012, 10:39 AM
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He had low EVERYTHING. He wasn't the worst they'd ever seen, so we could do IUIs with his sperm. I forget his exact morphology and motile numbers, but they weren't great. His count was consistently 12 million...which is better than none, but not as good as men with 150 million! DH did the research & asked me to get that vitamin. It's the ONLY thing he's changed & he has consistently gone up at each IUI. In Nov. he was at 52 million. We're doing IVF this month, so I can tell you then what his SA comes back at now that he's taken that vitamin for 5 months.
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January 11th, 2012, 10:45 AM
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That's great to know, thank you so much
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With us on earth for five short days, with us in our hearts forever.
(Thank you Natasha for this beautiful graphic of Andrew, and to the ladies of the Nov 10 PR who help me in carrying on his memory.)


Jan. 2009: Came off years of BCP and started TTC
March 2010: BFP -- finally!
Oct. 22, 2010: Drew is born, but has to stay in the NICU because of cord complications resulting in oxygen deprivation and brain problems =(
Oct. 27, 2010: I held him in my arms while Daddy, Grandma, Great-Uncle and I sang him to sleep =( Hardest thing I've ever done...
June 14, 2011: Drew's baby brother or sister waved hi to us with a BFP!
June 25, 2011: Natural miscarriage... Can we please catch a break here?
Nov. 2011: 100mg Clomid followed by 2mg Estrogen, Ovidrel trigger, and 200mg progesterone suppositories 2x/day 14 days. BFN.
Dec. 2011: 2nd medicated cycle. BFN.
Jan. 2012: Took a month off to breathe...
Feb. 2012: Same regimen of Clomid and other meds, add IUI. 2 eggs and 8.5 million swimmers. BFN.
March 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-11, follie scan CD 8 showed 6 follies likely to mature. Triggered, IUI on CD 14, 4 million swimmers. BFN.
April 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-10. Scan showed 2 mature follies, 2 almost certain to mature, and two not likely but possible. (All 6 evenly and perfectly spaced out between the left and the right.) Triggered, IUI CD 13 with 5 million swimmers. BFN.
May 2012: 75 IU Follistim starting CD 3. Waiting to O. Timed intercourse. Likely 5 follies to mature.




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January 11th, 2012, 11:01 AM
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Morphology takes longer to test. I am surprised they gave you the results at all until the Morph came back.

Since it takes so long to test, that is why when the do IUI they only test count and motility.

There are ways to improve all those numbers except morphology. Fixing the WBC will probably fix them to normal range except if the Morph is bad too. Nothing really fixes that. That is the issue we have now.

I am sorry you didn't get the results you where hoping for. You do know that you've conceived all on your own before and his counts where probably low then too. So try not to feel discouraged.
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Cycles 1-6 = BFN
Cycle 7 SA results abnormal morphology 2%, 50 mg clomid = BFN
Cycle 8 sonogram normal 50 mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 9 SA results abnormal morphology and motility. Count 200 mill, 100mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 10 natural = BFN
Cycle 11 hsg tubes clear, natural + trigger+IUI = BFN
Cycle 12 repronex + trigger + 2 IUI = BFN
Cycle 13 natural ovaries to stimulated for more meds = BFN
Cycle 14-22 natural cycle with Acupuncture and planning ivf/icsi/DE = ALL BFN
Cycle 23 Clomid 50 mg & Progesterone = BFN
Cycle 24 Natural = BFN
Cycle 25 BCP, SA result 7% morphology = BFN
Cycle 26 BCP and Lupron preparing for IVF
Cycle 27 IVF Acupuncture, DE Retrieval April 7, Transfer April 12 =
7 eggs retrieved, 3 fertilized, 2 transferred - zero snow babies
BETA # 1 16DPO or 11dp5dt = 569
BETA # 2 19 DPO or 14dp5dt = 1078
BETA # 3 22DPO or 17dp5dt = 2414 TWINS!
BETA # 4 30DPO or 25dp5dt = 12,685 6weeks 3days 2 heartbeats! 114 & 116
Clayton and Colton Born @ 34 weeks 11/22/13
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January 11th, 2012, 11:07 AM
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So do WBCs affect morph at all? If his morph is good, is it maybe an indication that the rest will be fixed with antibiotics? If his morph is bad, is it an indication that everything else might be bad, too?

Main question is if WBCs affect morph.
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With us on earth for five short days, with us in our hearts forever.
(Thank you Natasha for this beautiful graphic of Andrew, and to the ladies of the Nov 10 PR who help me in carrying on his memory.)


Jan. 2009: Came off years of BCP and started TTC
March 2010: BFP -- finally!
Oct. 22, 2010: Drew is born, but has to stay in the NICU because of cord complications resulting in oxygen deprivation and brain problems =(
Oct. 27, 2010: I held him in my arms while Daddy, Grandma, Great-Uncle and I sang him to sleep =( Hardest thing I've ever done...
June 14, 2011: Drew's baby brother or sister waved hi to us with a BFP!
June 25, 2011: Natural miscarriage... Can we please catch a break here?
Nov. 2011: 100mg Clomid followed by 2mg Estrogen, Ovidrel trigger, and 200mg progesterone suppositories 2x/day 14 days. BFN.
Dec. 2011: 2nd medicated cycle. BFN.
Jan. 2012: Took a month off to breathe...
Feb. 2012: Same regimen of Clomid and other meds, add IUI. 2 eggs and 8.5 million swimmers. BFN.
March 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-11, follie scan CD 8 showed 6 follies likely to mature. Triggered, IUI on CD 14, 4 million swimmers. BFN.
April 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-10. Scan showed 2 mature follies, 2 almost certain to mature, and two not likely but possible. (All 6 evenly and perfectly spaced out between the left and the right.) Triggered, IUI CD 13 with 5 million swimmers. BFN.
May 2012: 75 IU Follistim starting CD 3. Waiting to O. Timed intercourse. Likely 5 follies to mature.




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January 11th, 2012, 11:15 AM
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I don't know if WBC affects morphology. I don't think so though. My DH SA was all in normal range including WBC but has bad morphology.

From my understanding morphology is the shape of the sperm. It comes from when they are stamped out of the press. That is why it's almost impossible to fix.

Even if your morph is bad, as long as the counts for everything else is in range, you are still a candiate for iui,ivf or even natural. So no matter what yours comes back with, you'll just need to focus on fixing those other results.

There is a girl from another board and her SA came back WBC issues too. I will contact her to see if she can post here and help by sharing her experience.
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Me (43) DH(33) 12 years together - ttc our first together-I have 14yr old DS
Cycles 1-6 = BFN
Cycle 7 SA results abnormal morphology 2%, 50 mg clomid = BFN
Cycle 8 sonogram normal 50 mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 9 SA results abnormal morphology and motility. Count 200 mill, 100mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 10 natural = BFN
Cycle 11 hsg tubes clear, natural + trigger+IUI = BFN
Cycle 12 repronex + trigger + 2 IUI = BFN
Cycle 13 natural ovaries to stimulated for more meds = BFN
Cycle 14-22 natural cycle with Acupuncture and planning ivf/icsi/DE = ALL BFN
Cycle 23 Clomid 50 mg & Progesterone = BFN
Cycle 24 Natural = BFN
Cycle 25 BCP, SA result 7% morphology = BFN
Cycle 26 BCP and Lupron preparing for IVF
Cycle 27 IVF Acupuncture, DE Retrieval April 7, Transfer April 12 =
7 eggs retrieved, 3 fertilized, 2 transferred - zero snow babies
BETA # 1 16DPO or 11dp5dt = 569
BETA # 2 19 DPO or 14dp5dt = 1078
BETA # 3 22DPO or 17dp5dt = 2414 TWINS!
BETA # 4 30DPO or 25dp5dt = 12,685 6weeks 3days 2 heartbeats! 114 & 116
Clayton and Colton Born @ 34 weeks 11/22/13
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Thanks, Gretchen
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With us on earth for five short days, with us in our hearts forever.
(Thank you Natasha for this beautiful graphic of Andrew, and to the ladies of the Nov 10 PR who help me in carrying on his memory.)


Jan. 2009: Came off years of BCP and started TTC
March 2010: BFP -- finally!
Oct. 22, 2010: Drew is born, but has to stay in the NICU because of cord complications resulting in oxygen deprivation and brain problems =(
Oct. 27, 2010: I held him in my arms while Daddy, Grandma, Great-Uncle and I sang him to sleep =( Hardest thing I've ever done...
June 14, 2011: Drew's baby brother or sister waved hi to us with a BFP!
June 25, 2011: Natural miscarriage... Can we please catch a break here?
Nov. 2011: 100mg Clomid followed by 2mg Estrogen, Ovidrel trigger, and 200mg progesterone suppositories 2x/day 14 days. BFN.
Dec. 2011: 2nd medicated cycle. BFN.
Jan. 2012: Took a month off to breathe...
Feb. 2012: Same regimen of Clomid and other meds, add IUI. 2 eggs and 8.5 million swimmers. BFN.
March 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-11, follie scan CD 8 showed 6 follies likely to mature. Triggered, IUI on CD 14, 4 million swimmers. BFN.
April 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-10. Scan showed 2 mature follies, 2 almost certain to mature, and two not likely but possible. (All 6 evenly and perfectly spaced out between the left and the right.) Triggered, IUI CD 13 with 5 million swimmers. BFN.
May 2012: 75 IU Follistim starting CD 3. Waiting to O. Timed intercourse. Likely 5 follies to mature.




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You're welcome. Try not to panic. I know it's hard. I was heartbroken when we got back our SA TWICE also with bad results so I know you feel.

Hang in there. These are not set backs, but small movements forward even though they feel like set backs. k
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Me (43) DH(33) 12 years together - ttc our first together-I have 14yr old DS
Cycles 1-6 = BFN
Cycle 7 SA results abnormal morphology 2%, 50 mg clomid = BFN
Cycle 8 sonogram normal 50 mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 9 SA results abnormal morphology and motility. Count 200 mill, 100mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 10 natural = BFN
Cycle 11 hsg tubes clear, natural + trigger+IUI = BFN
Cycle 12 repronex + trigger + 2 IUI = BFN
Cycle 13 natural ovaries to stimulated for more meds = BFN
Cycle 14-22 natural cycle with Acupuncture and planning ivf/icsi/DE = ALL BFN
Cycle 23 Clomid 50 mg & Progesterone = BFN
Cycle 24 Natural = BFN
Cycle 25 BCP, SA result 7% morphology = BFN
Cycle 26 BCP and Lupron preparing for IVF
Cycle 27 IVF Acupuncture, DE Retrieval April 7, Transfer April 12 =
7 eggs retrieved, 3 fertilized, 2 transferred - zero snow babies
BETA # 1 16DPO or 11dp5dt = 569
BETA # 2 19 DPO or 14dp5dt = 1078
BETA # 3 22DPO or 17dp5dt = 2414 TWINS!
BETA # 4 30DPO or 25dp5dt = 12,685 6weeks 3days 2 heartbeats! 114 & 116
Clayton and Colton Born @ 34 weeks 11/22/13
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January 11th, 2012, 11:47 AM
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My DH had low everything, and we ended up doing an IUI and it worked for us. But every case is different. Best of luck and I hope the next SA gives you better results!
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Hey Erin. I'm the other girl whose DH had high WBCs.
Ok so our very first SA came back showing 20 million WBC! That is extremely high! I do feel they should have given you an actual number to work with, don't understand why they didn't...
He was refered to a urologist who gave 7 days of antibiotics (can try to find the name if you want) and he told us to do another SA about a week after finishing. At that time we didn't know that yes indeed, it should take about 2-3 months for the antibiotics to show improvement since the sperm were already exposed to them and "weakened". The weakened sperm need to "exit" and be replenished by fresh sperm, which takes about 3 months from start to when they are ejaculated. So our second SA about a week after finishing the 7 day antibiotic showed only slight improvement; I think it was about 14 million. The third which was about 2 months after antibiotic showed 1-5 and that's what the one we just did this past Thursday showed as well. Urologist did say that's not really a number to be concerned about so we will go with that...

I hope this helped; sorry it's long. I was so overwhelmed with the high WBC numbers when we first found out and couldn't really find anyone who had been through it so I know how it feels!

DH's count last Thursday was 26million so we are considering an IUI after my HSG next monday. Pending on what the HSG shows I will call next week to schedule an IUI.

I hope you get the answers from your second opinion; I think that's a great idea. The RE we went and saw said that labs typically vary in how they count and what they count; even from person to person. It's frustrating since it seems like you can't compare apples to apples then.

Let me know if there's anything else I can help you with. Good luck!!
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January 11th, 2012, 04:16 PM
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Yes by a positive SA I mean positive culture for infection. When my husband had his infection his counts still looked good so I don't know about the waiting 3 months. But what some of the other girls have said makes sense with needing to have the bad sperm exit. But I would imagine that you would start to see some improvement as soon as the infection was gone although it may take longer to know the best possible numbers.
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January 11th, 2012, 04:27 PM
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WBCs indicate some sort of infection, so of course they will affect sperm parameters. Spermatogenesis takes six weeks, so you should see improvement in all parameters after one Spermatogenesis cycle. Your husbands sample isn't stellar, but depending on how the laboratory preps it, most of the bad sperm as well as debris and whatever abnormal cells should be spun out of the final specimen (for both IUI and IVF). I think with a round of antibiotics, you should be good to go with IUI.

Keep in mind that semen analyses are both subjective and variant. The person counting the sperm is counting each sperm swimming through a grid of 100 squares. As you can imagine, that is ever changing. Where one person might count 54 sperm per 100, the next might have 59. Depending on the system being used, this count would be variant from 5 million to 11 million. Big difference, right? Also, if you had a guy collect every day for a year, his count would vary wildly.

Days of abstinence can also affect it. 2-4 days is optimal. Less, you affect concentration (count). More, and you affect motility. You have to view the SA as a snapshot in time, not as an end all, be all. I hope this helps!!! Good luck!
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My DH had very low counts (5 million) on multiple occasions. He also was low on the other factors as well. We were not told he had problems with WBCs. We did get pregnant once without trying long.

Our RE told us his numbers were likely too low for IUI to be successful. Still he let us try a few times (we decided on 3). When all were unsuccessful we moved to IVF with ICSI. We were successful on the first try with 6 snowbabies.

Do you know if his sperm was tested for antibodies? Apparently, there can be antibodies in either one of you that can prohibit or stop the whole process. Just a thought.

Best of luck to you!
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