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February 4th, 2013, 04:42 PM
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Those of you that have done or are doing IVF how serious did you take your clinic success rates?

The success rates for my clinic where just posted for 2011. The rates are terrible - I mean terrible. I am so upset right now. My first RE's rates are the average 40-50% success rate.

In 2012 the last 7 IVF cycles for my clinic has resulted in twins.... well that sure doesn't look like that on the 2011 stats. What would you guys do? Switch clinics and possible loss a few more months but have better rates? I would loss my donor and part of the money we put down.

I just need to be "okay" with all our decisions because if this doesn't work I don't want to look back and doubt some of our decisions like which clinic we picked or donor we used and so forth.

I am drinking the biggest glass of wine right now trying to relax and just soak this in. My DH says they told us they had a few bad years because of the embryologist and they have a new one now that has been there for all of 2012 and now they are having great success. I don't remember them telling me that...

My first clinic told me there was a 6 month egg donor wait. That is one of the reasons I decided to change clinics because there was no wait on donors at all. I feel like I am just not cut out for this and blowing 20000.00 is going to be hard for me to live with. DH doesn't care about the money but I don't know how he doesn't???? What is happening to me? I need more wine! UGH!

I am in some emotional distress this evening over this. I was hoping by the time we did IVF I would be finished with this emotional roller coaster crap but it is just never ending...
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Me (43) DH(33) 12 years together - ttc our first together-I have 14yr old DS
Cycles 1-6 = BFN
Cycle 7 SA results abnormal morphology 2%, 50 mg clomid = BFN
Cycle 8 sonogram normal 50 mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 9 SA results abnormal morphology and motility. Count 200 mill, 100mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 10 natural = BFN
Cycle 11 hsg tubes clear, natural + trigger+IUI = BFN
Cycle 12 repronex + trigger + 2 IUI = BFN
Cycle 13 natural ovaries to stimulated for more meds = BFN
Cycle 14-22 natural cycle with Acupuncture and planning ivf/icsi/DE = ALL BFN
Cycle 23 Clomid 50 mg & Progesterone = BFN
Cycle 24 Natural = BFN
Cycle 25 BCP, SA result 7% morphology = BFN
Cycle 26 BCP and Lupron preparing for IVF
Cycle 27 IVF Acupuncture, DE Retrieval April 7, Transfer April 12 =
7 eggs retrieved, 3 fertilized, 2 transferred - zero snow babies
BETA # 1 16DPO or 11dp5dt = 569
BETA # 2 19 DPO or 14dp5dt = 1078
BETA # 3 22DPO or 17dp5dt = 2414 TWINS!
BETA # 4 30DPO or 25dp5dt = 12,685 6weeks 3days 2 heartbeats! 114 & 116
Clayton and Colton Born @ 34 weeks 11/22/13

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February 4th, 2013, 04:59 PM
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I have no bussiness posting here but wanted to lend support anyhow...
When i was looking at rates I was shocked to find my area was kinda crappy. I thought being in the bay area they would have been better.
I didn't start the process but the clinic I was looking at had the best rates (only 50-60%) so it was important to me.
But if I already put the money down? I dunno if I would switch...
Who told you about the 2012 stats and can they be trusted?

After the whole mock transfer thing and then this? I am not sure I would stay

I am sorry you have to go through all this
I do have such a good feeling with you! It will happen but you just seem to have such a bumpy road getting there
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February 4th, 2013, 05:22 PM
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Thanks Lucy. I do appreciate it. Both him and his staff have told me about how good their success rates have been for 2012 but I haven't seen any proof. Donor one supposedly had someone pregnant with twins and so did donor 2. I guess how do I know if what they are telling me is bs or not? He has been in business for years. I tried to do some research on his embryologist but couldn't find anything on him.
The country standard for < 30 years of age seems to be about 50% . I can live with that and that is why we are using a donor. I am not sure I can live with 9% success rate.

I wish someone could just tell us if it would work or not. Maybe we aren't suppose to have a baby together and his is to never have one?
need more wine!
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Me (43) DH(33) 12 years together - ttc our first together-I have 14yr old DS
Cycles 1-6 = BFN
Cycle 7 SA results abnormal morphology 2%, 50 mg clomid = BFN
Cycle 8 sonogram normal 50 mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 9 SA results abnormal morphology and motility. Count 200 mill, 100mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 10 natural = BFN
Cycle 11 hsg tubes clear, natural + trigger+IUI = BFN
Cycle 12 repronex + trigger + 2 IUI = BFN
Cycle 13 natural ovaries to stimulated for more meds = BFN
Cycle 14-22 natural cycle with Acupuncture and planning ivf/icsi/DE = ALL BFN
Cycle 23 Clomid 50 mg & Progesterone = BFN
Cycle 24 Natural = BFN
Cycle 25 BCP, SA result 7% morphology = BFN
Cycle 26 BCP and Lupron preparing for IVF
Cycle 27 IVF Acupuncture, DE Retrieval April 7, Transfer April 12 =
7 eggs retrieved, 3 fertilized, 2 transferred - zero snow babies
BETA # 1 16DPO or 11dp5dt = 569
BETA # 2 19 DPO or 14dp5dt = 1078
BETA # 3 22DPO or 17dp5dt = 2414 TWINS!
BETA # 4 30DPO or 25dp5dt = 12,685 6weeks 3days 2 heartbeats! 114 & 116
Clayton and Colton Born @ 34 weeks 11/22/13
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February 4th, 2013, 05:45 PM
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Whoa 9%?!?! We haven't moved on to IVF but I definitely think that would bother me. I would rather have to wait a few more months for a clinic with better results than go through all the trouble and spend all the money for naught. If the 2012 rates are really that much better, I would ask for some kind of proof.
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February 4th, 2013, 07:11 PM
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I wish someone could just tell us if it would work or not. Maybe we aren't suppose to have a baby together and his is to never have one?
need more wine!
no no no don't say that! I think *every* IF sufferer thinks that with roadblocks! I think you are the type of person who is strong and smart enough to figure ways around or right through those roadblocks. And yes, you have some huge ones but look how far you have come!
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February 5th, 2013, 07:50 AM
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Oh Gretchen...big hugs to you. I'm sorry you are having such struggles and roadblocks and wish I could just move them for you!!

I would be pretty concerned about those stats. Lash (our resident SART expert) always says that the donor egg stats are the ones to look at when looking at the SART data...is the live birth rate 9%? That would scare the pants off of me.

I took the SART data pretty seriously for my clinic. I was referred to my RE by our insurance (they cover diagnostics) and knew nothing about him. I liked him from day 1 and didn't look at the stats until after I had been to a couple of appointments. Luckily his stats were AWESOME. When you are looking at spending tens of thousands of dollars and putting your family's future on the line, you have to use some logic and look at those stats. You can't afford not to. They can be the nicest people in the world, but if they don't get you pregnant, that's not worth much.

I would also be worried about what they are telling you now. Sure, they can brag all they want about their stats for 2012, but how reliable are they? They could be blowing a lot of smoke. If their current embryologist worked for another clinic before, you should be able to look at those stats. Do you know his/her history?

I have no idea what I would do in your shoes, but I think I'd definitely ask for more info on the history of the embryologist. They are just as important to the process (sometimes even more so) than the RE. Unless your RE is a total jerk, he/she will want to give you all the info you ask for and then some to reassure you that you have a good team in place to make this happen for you.

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February 5th, 2013, 08:11 AM
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definitely ask more questions and get more info...I know nothing about clinic success rates (we haven't gotten to the initial IVF steps) and I wouldn't change clinics for minor differences in success %s but if say other clinics in your area are at 40% and your clinic is at 9% that would be really concerning to me...

Time to demand some answers of your RE i think Gretchen, sorry you're having to deal with this while you're already prepping for your IVF cycle
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February 5th, 2013, 10:00 AM
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Gretchen...Keep your eye on the prize. Make sure you feel comfortable! If those stats aren't comfortable to you, then do what you feel necessary to get to a good place for yourself.

P.S. I'll have a glass of wine with you tonight! It's been a tough day for me...still going through all these thoughts/feelings in my mind and heart! Cheers!
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February 7th, 2013, 07:39 AM
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Gretchen - I can see why you would be concerned with low statistics. I, too, was concerned about my clinic's statistics not being as high as some others in our area. When I asked my RE about it, he said that their clinic was referred patients from Baylor College of Medicine's Urologist department and they work with a lot of male infertility cases. My clinic takes cases that other clinics in the area have turned down. The know that this affects their statistics, but they feel that even if there is a slim chance that they can help a couple have a child, they are willing to risk lower stats.

With that being said, I believe that you have to go with your gut.
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February 7th, 2013, 12:47 PM
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Thank you ladies for all of your input. I talked to my RE today and his staff after I had my mock transfer today. They said they did have a bad couple of years and that is just the IFV results. They also take couples that the other clinics wont take and also do multiple rounds of IVF even if it doesn't work if the couple wants it and that doens't always help their ratings either. They claimed to have lots of success with IUI and lots of other medician and things that are not tracked.

They were able to show me that in the last 10 IVF 7 are pregnant with twins and 1 miscarried and the other two it didn't work at all. I feel more confident after seeing those numbers and meeting the embryologist today as well.

My first clinic had good rates and that is why I picked them in the beginning but I hated everything about them really and they wanted to push me to IVF right away. Then if it doesn't work they turn you away cause they don't want to hurt their numbers. My new RE gets a lot of the folks that get turned away becuase first rond wasn't successful.

I am just so happy that mock transfer is over - you have no freaking idea.
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Me (43) DH(33) 12 years together - ttc our first together-I have 14yr old DS
Cycles 1-6 = BFN
Cycle 7 SA results abnormal morphology 2%, 50 mg clomid = BFN
Cycle 8 sonogram normal 50 mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 9 SA results abnormal morphology and motility. Count 200 mill, 100mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 10 natural = BFN
Cycle 11 hsg tubes clear, natural + trigger+IUI = BFN
Cycle 12 repronex + trigger + 2 IUI = BFN
Cycle 13 natural ovaries to stimulated for more meds = BFN
Cycle 14-22 natural cycle with Acupuncture and planning ivf/icsi/DE = ALL BFN
Cycle 23 Clomid 50 mg & Progesterone = BFN
Cycle 24 Natural = BFN
Cycle 25 BCP, SA result 7% morphology = BFN
Cycle 26 BCP and Lupron preparing for IVF
Cycle 27 IVF Acupuncture, DE Retrieval April 7, Transfer April 12 =
7 eggs retrieved, 3 fertilized, 2 transferred - zero snow babies
BETA # 1 16DPO or 11dp5dt = 569
BETA # 2 19 DPO or 14dp5dt = 1078
BETA # 3 22DPO or 17dp5dt = 2414 TWINS!
BETA # 4 30DPO or 25dp5dt = 12,685 6weeks 3days 2 heartbeats! 114 & 116
Clayton and Colton Born @ 34 weeks 11/22/13
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February 7th, 2013, 01:06 PM
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Glad you were able to get some info to ease your mind. Cannot wait to hear how everything turns out
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February 10th, 2013, 12:43 PM
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To be honest, here in France the success rates are not posted (or regulated) like they are in the US...so I really have only a verbal statement from our clinic about their rates.

I want to remind you that each person is individual, and sometimes stats are just that: stats...

BUT a 9% rate does sound pretty scary.

Have you come to a decision? - Only you will know what feels right.
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February 11th, 2013, 06:29 AM
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I decided to just stay at my current clinic. I already went to the one with the better ratings and I didn’t like them. It was more like a assembly line then a dr office giving individual protocols and care.
My DH wants to stay at our current one too. He assures me that the odds reset themselves every time an IVF procedure is done. It’s not like they had 10 successful so there can’t be anymore for the year. The odds reset EVERY TIME. Like when you play the lottery…. Every time you play your chances are the same as the previous time. It’s not like you get better odds cause you play often. Does that make sense? I suppose it does to me in my crazy head! Hahaha!
Besides no clinic likes to see a 43 year old. That terrible can hurt their odds even with DE.
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Me (43) DH(33) 12 years together - ttc our first together-I have 14yr old DS
Cycles 1-6 = BFN
Cycle 7 SA results abnormal morphology 2%, 50 mg clomid = BFN
Cycle 8 sonogram normal 50 mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 9 SA results abnormal morphology and motility. Count 200 mill, 100mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 10 natural = BFN
Cycle 11 hsg tubes clear, natural + trigger+IUI = BFN
Cycle 12 repronex + trigger + 2 IUI = BFN
Cycle 13 natural ovaries to stimulated for more meds = BFN
Cycle 14-22 natural cycle with Acupuncture and planning ivf/icsi/DE = ALL BFN
Cycle 23 Clomid 50 mg & Progesterone = BFN
Cycle 24 Natural = BFN
Cycle 25 BCP, SA result 7% morphology = BFN
Cycle 26 BCP and Lupron preparing for IVF
Cycle 27 IVF Acupuncture, DE Retrieval April 7, Transfer April 12 =
7 eggs retrieved, 3 fertilized, 2 transferred - zero snow babies
BETA # 1 16DPO or 11dp5dt = 569
BETA # 2 19 DPO or 14dp5dt = 1078
BETA # 3 22DPO or 17dp5dt = 2414 TWINS!
BETA # 4 30DPO or 25dp5dt = 12,685 6weeks 3days 2 heartbeats! 114 & 116
Clayton and Colton Born @ 34 weeks 11/22/13
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February 11th, 2013, 06:45 AM
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Oh good luck hun!!! I think if your dr is happy with it, then it's a wise choice. And you really do need that personal touch in my opinion.

I am excited for you!! It's so close now!
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February 11th, 2013, 08:36 AM
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Is that 9% for your age group with donor egg? (Because you have to compare apples to apples, right?)

Our RE doesn't give stats, (nor has any other RE around here that we've heard of, but we're in Canada, so it could be different.) but she told us that she doesn't give out stats because there are so many variables at play. (ie: higher success rates, but more higher order multiples, and each individual diagnosis.) Makes sense to me, and we feel comfortable with her, so that's where we stand on that.

On another note, glad your mock transfer is over!!!
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February 11th, 2013, 11:36 AM
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The odds reset EVERY TIME. Like when you play the lottery…. Every time you play your chances are the same as the previous time. It’s not like you get better odds cause you play often. Does that make sense? I suppose it does to me in my crazy head! Hahaha!
I totally get it!

Does that mean I have a crazy head too?

I'm glad you've both come to a decision that you're happy with!

Will be following your journey all the way!!!
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February 11th, 2013, 11:43 AM
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That is why you are the VP of POAS Intervention Mafia! Cause you totally get me! lol Not many people do!
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Me (43) DH(33) 12 years together - ttc our first together-I have 14yr old DS
Cycles 1-6 = BFN
Cycle 7 SA results abnormal morphology 2%, 50 mg clomid = BFN
Cycle 8 sonogram normal 50 mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 9 SA results abnormal morphology and motility. Count 200 mill, 100mg clomid + trigger = BFN
Cycle 10 natural = BFN
Cycle 11 hsg tubes clear, natural + trigger+IUI = BFN
Cycle 12 repronex + trigger + 2 IUI = BFN
Cycle 13 natural ovaries to stimulated for more meds = BFN
Cycle 14-22 natural cycle with Acupuncture and planning ivf/icsi/DE = ALL BFN
Cycle 23 Clomid 50 mg & Progesterone = BFN
Cycle 24 Natural = BFN
Cycle 25 BCP, SA result 7% morphology = BFN
Cycle 26 BCP and Lupron preparing for IVF
Cycle 27 IVF Acupuncture, DE Retrieval April 7, Transfer April 12 =
7 eggs retrieved, 3 fertilized, 2 transferred - zero snow babies
BETA # 1 16DPO or 11dp5dt = 569
BETA # 2 19 DPO or 14dp5dt = 1078
BETA # 3 22DPO or 17dp5dt = 2414 TWINS!
BETA # 4 30DPO or 25dp5dt = 12,685 6weeks 3days 2 heartbeats! 114 & 116
Clayton and Colton Born @ 34 weeks 11/22/13
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February 11th, 2013, 09:06 PM
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I am so happy that you feel better about. I would definitely go with what your gut is telling you
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February 11th, 2013, 09:13 PM
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I was blessed enough to live 30 minutes away from Oregon Reproductive Med, who happens to have THE highest success rates for women 35 and under in the nation!!!!

So I didn't really have any second thoughts. I just felt blessed and confident. Hearing stories of Ivf women who went to clinics with less rates, compared to my own, I could really see the difference, so... I definitely think it is important, the care is totally different.
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