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November 12th, 2010, 06:04 PM
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... experienced Failure to Thrive with one of their babies?

We've just got the diagnosis from our local community nurse yesterday.

Quinn is sitting on the 3rd percentile for weight, having only gained 900 grams in 12 weeks. Took him 6 weeks to regain his birthweight having lost just shy of 10%.

He weighs... 4870g (10lbs 7) which is 2lbs more than his birthweight of 3970g (8lbs 7oz)

His height and HC are beginning to suffer as well, both having dropped down a percentile. And in the last 3 weeks he has not grown at all.

*sigh*

We have been breast and bottle feeding (reflux formula) and he still continues to chuck. For a while he was good on the reflux formula, but the more formula he's needed the worse the chucking has gotten.

Mind you, 12 weeks is the longest I have ever breastfed, supplemented or not, so I'm pretty happy to get this far. Hoping to make it to 6 months, and maybe even 12 months...

If anyone has any suggestions I'd be grateful...

We're off to the drs on Monday, and hopefully being referred to a Paed...

Also....piccie.

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November 12th, 2010, 06:14 PM
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Awe, he is such a cutie!

I don't really have any experience with what your saying. My oldest dropped down to the 5% percentile at one time but it was due to a chronic medical condition. I might ask for a blood test to see if there are any allergies.

I hope you get answers soon.
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November 12th, 2010, 06:20 PM
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Yeah will have to see what the Dr recommends, but I will try anything at this point.
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November 12th, 2010, 07:48 PM
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I have no experience with ftt but what a cutie!!
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November 12th, 2010, 09:08 PM
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Thanks.
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November 13th, 2010, 05:31 AM
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I am not telling you not to listen to your nurse - but check out this link:

Look at the Baby, Not the Scale | Jay Gordon, MD FAAP
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November 13th, 2010, 05:53 AM
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And that's another thing....

I'm 5ft and hubby is 6ft 2...

Our older 2 boys have clearly got hubby's genes when it comes to height and build.
Our daughter was prem (and was I) and while she is tall (but will not be as tall as her brothers) she is skinny.

I've managed to increase my milk, but being sure to put him to the breast each feed over the last 48 hours. Given that I am supplementing there have been times where I have just gone for the bottle, rather than breast. I'm planning on breaking that habit... and doing both, with the hope that maybe sometime soon I will be able to fully breastfeed without supplementing. It's not always easy when I have three other young ones, needing my attention.

Another nurse did seem him 3 weeks ago, and I was told to give him time...

I don't know, maybe the nurse is being overly cautious... either way I should know more after we've seen the GP on Monday morning.
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November 13th, 2010, 06:01 AM
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I am not telling you not to listen to your nurse - but check out this link:

Look at the Baby, Not the Scale | Jay Gordon, MD FAAP
I was thinking the same thing. The only thing that would concern me is the spitting up, is it more than normal? From the pic. though he looks perfectly healthy and alert (adorable too). My dd lost a ton and has trended toward the smaller end of growth curve. Fortunately the Dr. looked at her and said she's perfectly healthy and just seems to take after her momma. Also that someone has to be at the lower end of the chart. She lost about 10% of her birth weight, was in the 10th% then dropped to the 3rd%.
Not sure where she is now her 15m appt. is in a week and a half. Oh and at a year she was only 17 lbs. She was walking unassisted at 9.5 months and now is climbing everything.
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November 13th, 2010, 06:13 AM
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Is more than what I recall any of my other kids bringing up.

We will burp him. He'll burp followed by bringing up milk... then he will bring up more milk anywhere up to and sometimes exceeding 5 times.

I'm going to start keeping track of all this properly tomorrow.

And despite telling the community nurse that I didn't think he projectile vomits, I'm sorta leaning towards the fact that he very well might.
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November 13th, 2010, 02:56 PM
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UGH! I've been there so many times it's not even funny. One of my babies we took to a new dr because they were closer and he threatened to call CPS on me because he said I was starving my baby despite the fact that she was 3 months premature and was on the same growth curve the whole time. I took her an hour away to her old doctor who said she was fine.

What is the growth curve chart looking like? I saw a specialist who said that it doesn't matter where they started out or where they've been as long as they are moving up the curve. If he has reflux, they can give meds to help (half my kids had it). Also, if you're supplementing, I would ask about the higher calorie formula. They have 22 and 24cal. I was pumping and adding that to breastmilk for a long time and it helped.
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November 13th, 2010, 04:21 PM
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does he need a reflux med? The twins were on Prevacid until they were 5 months adjusted age and could sit up. We also raised the heads of all of their beds for sleep. Could be a reflux issue, perhaps.
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November 13th, 2010, 04:45 PM
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If the more formula he has the worse the chucking gets...I"d try to not use the formula at all if you can. I dont know your situation or what your work status us....but if I were you I think I'd try to wean off the formula....

My son was a CHUNK at 4 months...he weighed 14lb 2oz....then at 6 he weighed only 14lb 4 ounces...so in 2 months only gained 4 ounces. Now...the doctor wasn't worried and said he was too big before....but *I* was worried....I knew what it was from (reflux due to formula I had weaned him from breastmilk and it was too late to go back (well I could have restarted but I was dry)).....anyway....my point is that EVERY baby is different.

Maybe his major reflux is due to something you are eating...maybe the formula enhances that?

I would try several things before I accepted that diagnosis. From my understanding it is usually a LONG process as to diagnosing that....not usually by 3 months...

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We aren't to give a baby milk, berries, or peanut butter. We are to introduce new foods one at a time. But it's OK to inject several viruses, bacteria, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol, animal serum, mercury, squalene and more into an 8 week old? I don't think so.
In order to be healthy it is an unfortunate fact that people must be allowed the opportunity to be ill. I trust my body and those of my children to work correctly against the relatively benign diseases they vax for, and do not trust the ingredients in the vaccinations.
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November 13th, 2010, 09:05 PM
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I'm doing my best to wean off the formula and boost my milk at the same time.

And yes, I feel as though the community nurse accused me on Friday of starving him. Thing is its more convenient and quicker to attend the community nurse centre on a weekly basis for weight checks than it is, to attend the Drs... so for now I just have to put up with it.

I've noticed previously that he really only drools after a breastfed... it is the formula that's effecting him, but at present it's needed or else he would be loosing weight.

Before formula was introduced he was loosing 20g a week.

As for his weight chart, it is moving in an upwards manner, but is moving down through the percentiles if that makes sense.

We'll know more tomorrow
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November 13th, 2010, 09:21 PM
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I would try pumping (which will also help your milk supply) and add calories to it. I breastfed my baby, then pumped, then added calories and gave what I pumped, then started all over again. The hospital actually gave me milk fortifier to make the breastmilk 22 cal but there is also 24cal. I would see if you can ask a lactation consultant or maybe the nurse would know about it. Another option is to go to WIC and ask for help. They will do weight checks and can supply a pump if needed. Just a few options. I hope he starts gaining soon.
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November 13th, 2010, 09:33 PM
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Yup Already pumping as much as I'm able.
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November 14th, 2010, 06:17 AM
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Such great suggestions...I like the pumping and adding calories to it suggestion...I'm sorry we aren't able to help too much....it's hard to know what someone has tried or not tried....

Keep up the good work momma...and I wouldn't worry about what the nurse says unless it starts to effect the way you do things....weekly appts...blah...that must get old
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We aren't to give a baby milk, berries, or peanut butter. We are to introduce new foods one at a time. But it's OK to inject several viruses, bacteria, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol, animal serum, mercury, squalene and more into an 8 week old? I don't think so.
In order to be healthy it is an unfortunate fact that people must be allowed the opportunity to be ill. I trust my body and those of my children to work correctly against the relatively benign diseases they vax for, and do not trust the ingredients in the vaccinations.
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November 14th, 2010, 07:32 AM
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Unfortunately it does. I enjoyed not having to trek every Wednesday to get him weighed.

I do like knowing what he weighs but it can get tiring.
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November 14th, 2010, 07:58 AM
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you say he only drools after breastfeeding, but spits up after formula...then i would definitely chalk it up to the formula. i've had 4 kids who had to be on soy or even alimentum/nutramigen because they couldn't handle milk or soy formula. they spit up EVERYWHERE and constantly. within 12 hrs of us switching the kind of formula, they were better. and continue trying to get your milk supply up. i know it's tough to breastfeed with little ones. i breastfed my 5th for 8 months, the longest i ever breastfed...i just had to find a groove that worked for our family.
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November 14th, 2010, 12:18 PM
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I have a DD that now at 2years 8 months only weighs 24lbs. She isn't even on the charts for her age. She was born small and just stayed small. Our dr says she is fine because she has created her own curve.

My youngest had problems with formula and he was alimentum. I recommend trying one of the allergy formulas and see if that halts the spitting up.
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November 15th, 2010, 07:15 AM
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Dr mentioned switching formula's. Unfortunately we're broke til payday, which isn't til Wednesday, so we will have to bide our time til then.

He also recommended stopping breastfeeding, which I am not keen on (didn't tell him that though) so I will switch formula's see how it goes.

He's not willing to give meds until we see how the different formula goes.

Had Quinn weighed by the nurse at the drs office and he's up from 4870g to 4990g... in 2 days. Something about that doesn't seem right. He'd just had his needles as was screaming the house down... so who knows.

Guess it's back on Wednesday to double check weight figures with the community nurse. *sigh*

Meanwhile, he chucked like a pro, with the last bottle of formula I gave him tonight, been one of those days, and due to stress getting him to latch this evening has been difficult.

Asleep now, but I have no idea how much he kept down... looking at what he brought up, it seems like the entire bottle came back up.

Also... no concern by my GP what so ever about FFT...
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