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November 8th, 2004, 05:32 PM
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People think that the burning times are over. That witches and pagans and neopagans are safe. It's not true.

http://www.illusions.com/burning/burnwit5.htm#LAST

Go here, it's a list of ALL the witches and pagans and people who have been murdered for being a 'witch' the last entry? December 11, 2003. This site is a real eye opener and had me in tears.
Here's a link for the front page
http://www.illusions.com/burning/burnwitc.htm?
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November 8th, 2004, 05:57 PM
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Hi Melissa =)

I often have stories like these posted on my own site (won't mention the name as I don't want to sound like I'm plugging my own non-for-profit site, not sure if that can get me in trouble >_> ...last board I was on wouldn't let you say anything about anything! But if you are interested, all the images in my sig are hosted on the site, if you can figure it out, feel free to join up )

Dug up from my archives:

http://www.thestate.com/mld/state/ne...on/9378079.htm

A small triumph, but at what price? =/
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November 8th, 2004, 06:18 PM
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Hey hun, sent you a pm! You should get it soon
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November 12th, 2004, 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Alisteal@Nov 8 2004, 08:32 PM
People think that the burning times are over. That witches and pagans and neopagans are safe. It's not true.

http://www.illusions.com/burning/burnwit5.htm#LAST

Go here, it's a list of ALL the witches and pagans and people who have been murdered for being a 'witch' the last entry? December 11, 2003. This site is a real eye opener and had me in tears.
Here's a link for the front page
http://www.illusions.com/burning/burnwitc.htm?
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I glanced down the first linked list - looks like a lot of these events happen outside of
the United States. Not that it makes their deaths any less tragic, but I'd say alternate
religions stand a better chance at tolerance here, with little reason to fear. Esp in
the bigger cities, where one block alone can have several different houses of worship.
Take heart!! There is love and acceptance out there.
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November 12th, 2004, 11:33 AM
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It is not just witches/pagans ect. Christians are also being prosecuted and killed across the world. It falls under the catagory of religious intolerance. (I am not trying to minimize, I just want to make it clear that ANY religion can be subject to persecution depending where in the world you live and it pisses me off)
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November 12th, 2004, 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by zonapellucida@Nov 12 2004, 02:33 PM
It is not just witches/pagans ect. Christians are also being prosecuted and killed across the world.* It falls under the catagory of religious intolerance.* (I am not trying to minimize, I just want to make it clear that ANY religion can be subject to persecution depending where in the world you live and it pisses me off)
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Very true. It even varies not just by what country, but by what region of a country. Strange as it may seem, when I was living in California (San Diego area) I was subject to a *lot* of intolerance and people who simply would not respect my relgious choices, though I always made it a point to tread lightly around them, and not offend them by "talking down" to them (as some pagans tend to do to christians, as a side effect of the intolerance they've met from various others determined to witness to them). I had been harassed throughout my entire stay in high school (one particular "christianly" fellow who was of course the perfect surf-team star and homecoming boy, made it a point to throw various food items at me and bring water guns to school to hose me down with while screaming "OH YOU'RE MELTING!") and often by others later on who saw my choice as "childish, immature rebellion".

I expected much worse when I moved to a small town in the midwest, one which has the most churches (and bars, lol) per capita. For years I did not display any articles of faith openly for fear of being ridiculed. Slowly I began to realize that there were quite a few pagans living quietly, but openly within the city, and many were well respected members of the community! I started wearing necklace outside of my clothes for the first time in years, and now proudly display the tattoo I got for my 21st birthday

Just goes to show that sometimes areas you might think are "accepting and tolerant" really aren't, and places where you'd expect the most prejudice and ridicule are open and respectful A silver lining on a dark subject, if you will.
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November 12th, 2004, 05:39 PM
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OH I'm not saying anyone else doesn't suffer from religion. I got a pm from someone off this board telling me that the burning times were a crock of BS and that CHristianity is the most abused religion. So I posted this link to prove that it's not just ONE religion. Heck, some of these people burned WERE christians but someone got ticked off and ratted them out screaming 'WITCH, WITCH' This to me states that NO ONE is safe from intolerance
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November 16th, 2004, 05:16 AM
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I can attest to the fact that intolerance happens to..well anyone with strong beliefs. And as much as some Pagans holler and yell about tolerance and understanding, they can still be just as narrowminded and intolerant of "Traditional" JudeoChristian religions as those religions sometimes are with us. I've met a lot of these people and they really bring me down. I have quite a few Christian friends, one of my closest friends is Catholic, and quite the biblical scholar (an honors psychology student at SDSU to boot). I love talking philosophy and theology with people who hold opposing opinions, so long as there is a mutual respect between the two of us, and I find it sad when others of my "heathen" (giggle - I abuse that word so much) persuasion can't bring themselves to see the good things in Christianity, and only see the negative.


I love this article - I think anyone who has ever been invited to a religious function not of their own religion can benefit from this:

http://www.pagannews.com/cgi-bin/articles1.pl?160

Of course some people will disagree with some of the points from their religious view, but I don't think those minor details are the point of the article. Tolerance and involvement in the things that are important to the ones you love is I wish I could pass this out to every person I knew, just so they would no longer distance themselves from those with a strongly differing religion.
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November 16th, 2004, 07:21 AM
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I dont know if this goes here or not BUT I was almosat kicked out of my apt in NY because I am pagan and the landlord was christian she actually said if I dont start believing in jesus my son (BTW I wasnt even pg at this time) would grow up for a ##### of a mother I was never discriminated when I went to church as a child WTH is wrong with people?
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