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June 20th, 2007, 02:53 PM
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Hi! I'm new here but not to JM! I thought I would pop in and ask a question or two. As you can see I have 4 boys... and I'd love to adopt a little girl from China in a couple of years. I'm curious how long the process takes so that I know when I need to start doing things to put it in motion. Also, a general cost on adopting from China? Also any other specific requirements I should be aware of? I'm looking to adopt a girl around the age of 2. Thanks for any input and suggestions you can give me! Also any referrals to a great agency?
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June 20th, 2007, 06:53 PM
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Hi and welcome to the group!! I'm Marla, mom of 4, including 2 cuties from China. We adopted our first daughter, Jaden, at the age of 10 months in 2004 and our 2nd, Jacey, at the age of 5 1/2 in 2005. I believe wait times from the time dossiers go to China to referral are at least 18 months right now, so you might want to get started soon!

We used Holt International, and had wonderful experiences with both adoptions. I have heard good things about Great Wall and CCAI as well, and I recommend checking out several agencies until you find the one that fits your family best. I recommend checking into China's waiting child program since you are interested adopting in a bit older child. Many of the children have very minor and manageable special needs, and the wait times are shorter since you are matched earlier in the process than when you wait for the referral of a non special needs child. We adopted Jacey through the waiting child program and would do it again without hesitation (if we weren't done, that is ).

As far as cost, it varies, but I'd say we averaged about $25K for each of our adoptions, and that included travel, which can be a large portion of the expense. My husbands company offered an adoption reimbursement and we took advantage of the IRS's adoption tax credit after the adoptions were final, so those are things to look into when considering overall cost.

Please let me know if you have any other questions and I will be happy to either answer them or steer you toward someone who can. Best of luck!!
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June 20th, 2007, 08:27 PM
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Thanks so much for answering my questions! I have another... I was just looking at the Holt website and their requirements for China adoption... when they say you can have 4 children in the home does that mean 4 children not including the one you want to adopt? or does that include the one you are wanting to adopt? Thanks!
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June 21st, 2007, 08:23 AM
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I think that means you can have 4 in the home NOT including the one you adopt, but I'm not 100% certain. I do know that China regularly grants "family size waivers" to large families allowing them to be over that limit, especially in the waiting child program. We know a family in process right now that has 6 and is adopting their 7th!
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June 22nd, 2007, 12:03 AM
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Today I read on the Great Wall site that one of the requirements is that you can not have been diagnosed with major depression or anxiety. Is this true for all agencies and China adoptions? That makes me really sad! These are both things that I have to deal with off and on. Extreme post pardum depression is one of the main reasons why I am just not willing to go through having another child of my own.
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June 22nd, 2007, 09:37 AM
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Today I read on the Great Wall site that one of the requirements is that you can not have been diagnosed with major depression or anxiety. Is this true for all agencies and China adoptions? That makes me really sad! These are both things that I have to deal with off and on. Extreme post pardum depression is one of the main reasons why I am just not willing to go through having another child of my own. [/b]
Yes, unfortunately that is one of the new China requirements. Just this year, they came out with some new guidelines, here is a copy of the report about it from the CCAA. (Sorry, it's kind of long, I just wanted you to have all the info):

"At present, the number of adoption application documents that the
China Centre of Adoption Affairs (hereafter referred to as CCAA)
receives is increasing very fast. However, the limited number of
Chinese children available for inter-country adoption is far from
being able to meet the demand of families from overseas. The CCAA
maintains, in accordance with the principle of protecting the best
interests of children in the Convention on Protection of Children and
Co-Operation in Respect of Inter-Country Adoption (hereafter referred
to as Hague Adoption Convention), that adopters in the following
conditions answer better to the spirit of Hague Adoption Convention
and the provisions of adoption law in both China and your country,
and are able to offer the Chinese children adopted the best possible
environment to grow in. It is our hope that you read this letter
attentively, screen the families and give priority to those in the
following conditions, and submit the adoption application
documents for them:

The CCAA first accepts and reviews adoption applications of foreign
adopters who are qualified with the following conditions from the day
of 1st May 2007, and then makes placement of adoptees with them.
Adoption applications of the other adopters who are not qualified
will be put into considerations after all the cases of the qualified
have already been dealt with.

I. The adopters are a couple of one male and one female with a stable
marital relationship. In case that both the husband and the wife do
not have any ex-marriage, the length of marriage has to reach two
years. In the case either the husband or wife has ex-marriages (not
more than 2), the length of the current marriage has to reach 5 years.

II. Both the husband and wife have reached the age of 30 and are
under 50. For adoption of special needs child, both of them should
have reached the age of 30 and are under 55.

III. Both the husband and wife are fully healthy physically and
mentally, and do not have the following conditions:

1. AIDS;
2. Mental handicap;
3. Infectious disease within infective stage;
4. Binocular blind or binocular parallax or monocular blind and with
no ocular prosthesis;
5. Binaural hearing loss or language function loss; adoption of
special needs children who have identical conditions will be exempt
from this limitation;
6. Afunction or dysfunction of limbs or trunk caused by impairment,
incompleteness, numbness or deformation; severe facial deformation;
7. Severe diseases which require long term treatment and which affect
life expectancy, like malignant tumor, lupus erythematosus,
nephrosis, epilepsy, and ect.;
8. Post-surgery of major organs transplantation, not yet 10 years;
9. Schizophrenia;
10. Medication for severe mental disorders, like depression, mania,
or anxiety neurosis and etc. stopped not more than 2 years;
11. BMI > or = 40.

IV. Either the husband or wife holds a stable occupation. The family
annual income reaches $10,000 for each family member including the
prospective adoptee and the family net assets value should reach
$80,000. The family annual income does not include welfare income,
like relief fund, pension, unemployment insurance, or government
subsidy, and etc.

V. Both the husband and wife have received education of or above the
level of senior high school, or vocational skills training of the
same level.

VI. The number of children in family under the age of 18 years does
not reach 5, and the youngest one should have reached the age of 1
year. Adoption of special needs children will be exempt from the
limitation of the number of children in family under the age of 18
years does not reach 5.

VII. Both the husband and wife have never come under any criminal
sanction. And they behave honorably with good moral characters and
abide by regulations and laws. Both of them do not accord with the
following situations:
1. Have a history of domestic violence, sex abuse, abandonment or
abuse of children (even if they are not consequently arrested or
criminated);
2. Have a history of taking narcotics like opium, morphine,
marijuana, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines, and etc. and medication
for mental diseases, with are able to arouse addiction among human
beings;
3. Have a history of alcohol abuse and have given up drinking not
more than 10 years ago.

Adoption application will be given consideration on a case by case
basis when either the husband or wife has less than 3 criminal
records of slight severity with no severe outcomes, and the time for
correction of wrong has reached 10 years, or has less than 5 records
of traffic law violation with no severe outcomes.

VIII. The adopters are able to have a correct cognition of adoption,
and expect to provide a warm family for the orphaned children (or
children with handicap and disability) via adoption and to meet the
needs of the children adopted for the sake of a good development of
them. They have a correct cognition of inter-country adoption as
well, and are fully mentally-prepared for the potential risks within
inter-country adoption and for the situations of children adopted as
potential diseases, developmental delays, post-placement
maladjustment, and etc.

IX. The adopters make in the adoption application letter clear
promise of being able to accept post-placement follow-ups and offer
post-placement reports as required.

X. The fixed number of year or age that appears in this letter shall
be dated from the day when the adoption application documents are
logged in at the CCAA.

The CCAA expects sincerely to cooperate with you and to provide
better services for the adopters and children adopted and to help the
Chinese children adopted develop in a family full of happiness, love
and understanding. Thank you very much for your understanding and
assistance.

The CCAA is responsible for the interpretation of this letter.
Agencies should direct any specific questions to China Centre of
Adoption Affairs."
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July 8th, 2007, 12:58 PM
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I just wanted to say "Hi Peggy!" Kurt and I were just discussing our final family size and we were thinking about adopting a child from China, too. I'm just not a nice pregnant person. Although, we will probably have one or two more of our own first. So I came on this board to look over everything and here you are! Made me smile. Obviously, we're way off from adopting, but I just wanted some feed-back.
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