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November 6th, 2009, 07:35 PM
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Hi Ladies-

My son is 19 months old, and while I had a really easy time with AP when he was an infant, I'm second-guessing myself now that he's a toddler. I guess because when he was a baby I knew that he was just being a baby. Now that he's a toddler, I'm afraid of being too strict or too lenient. I guess I need some guidance!

*We're still BFing and co-sleeping, but the older he gets, the more criticism I get, and the more I doubt my parenting.

*I also feel like he's really clingy at times, and I don't know how to handle it. When he cries because he wants picked up, when do I cuddle and soothe him, and when do I let him throw a tantrum?

*Also, I love co-sleeping, and Logan is my only child. Should I feel guilty that we still co-sleep? Am I making him clingier and stunting his independence? Will he leave the bed on his own when he's ready? When do most kids do that? I watched SuperNanny tonight and it made me feel awful for co-sleeping, and like it's going to be a huge, painful ordeal when we stop.

Any advice and tips on APing toddlers would be greatly appreciated!
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November 6th, 2009, 09:47 PM
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I don't have any real concrete "been there, done that" advice because I am right there with you with my 17 month old but I do have some thoughts because I DO think about this... a LOT. And yes, it is a LOT harder to be AP with a toddler than with a baby IMO.

No one has started in on me about breastfeeding and I have hidden the fact that I co-sleep for quite some time from my family because I just cannot listen to their criticism of it. The only people who know are friends who are supportive. But I do not hide it from them because I feel I am doing the wrong thing, I hide it from them because I could explain til I am blue in the face and they will never believe me and already think I am a total whacko and I choose not to spend my time and energy going down that path for one second more than I have already.

But all that said, I think you just need to have faith that your child will wean and move out of your bed when they are ready. Period. Think about all of the other things your child has done when they were ready, from walking to eating solids etcetc. My son does not always do everything on the timeline that I'd hope but he does things when he is good and ready and I am starting to finally gain confidence in him that all things will come with time.

I'd love to hear the feedback from been there done that moms on this one but I NEVER refuse cuddles if my son wants them. It is difficult to know when to let them throw a tantrum because their patterns are changing and tantrums are a new way of expressing themselves. When they are infants and they cry, it's because they have a need. As toddlers they sometimes cry because they cannot express their need, or because they are testing their boundaries, or some combination of the two. So to me, the first thing you need to figure out is what boundaries you want to set for your child so that you can maintain some level of consistency.

My son has recently started throwing the biggest tantrums lately and it's been rough making the transition for me. But what I try to do is learn from each tantrum and situation, figure out WHY he is throwing the tantrum and what I want the response to be next time so that I can maintain some level of consistency. If he is throwing a tantrum because he cannot express what he wants and we just can't figure it out (the other day he was sitting at the table SO ANGRY because we just could not figure out what he wanted/was pointing at after offering him everything at the table and saying its name "do you want water? do you want pretzels? Do you want a straw? Do you want a cup?") then I just take him for a "time out" (not in a "punishment" sense but in a "taking time out of a stressful situation to refocus yourself" sense) and sit in a quiet place and nurse him and allow him to center himself again. I know he's just frustrated that we can't understand him and it gives him an opportunity to calm down.

The other kind of tantrum is the "testing boundaries" kind and these are very difficult for me to deal with because I know I have to stand firm on them or else there will be big trouble later. For example, today he was having a huge tantrum over not wanting to sit in his booster seat. The first time DH tried to put him in he kicked and screamed so DH put him on the floor. He immediately became happy but started reaching for his food that was up on the table. It is a choking hazard for him to run around the house eating so this is something we need to hold a firm line on. I told him if he wanted to eat his lunch, he had to sit in his seat. I picked him up and put him in there and he started to kick and scream again, but I kept him in anyway. I talked to him the entire time in a calm tone and I told him that I knew he did not want to sit in his seat but that he needed to sit there to eat lunch if he was hungry. He got very angry, very frustrated, red in the face, yelling, but I just sat there with him and looked into his face and kept repeating that I understood how he felt but that he had to eat at the table like a big boy because it was dangerous to run around with food in your mouth. I actually have no clue how much of what I said he understood but it actually took less time than I expected for him to calm down and start eating, and he was totally himself as soon as he started to do that. This is the first time we've had this kind of a tantrum over this issue and I have learned that this is a situation where I believe he is testing limits. In general I allow him to explore things as he wishes and only stop him when he is doing something dangerous, and running around the house eating chicken is something that is dangerous. If he had wanted to cuddle at that point I would have given him cuddles, but he did not - he wanted what he wanted and was trying to get it.

I have only seen super nanny a handful of times but it seems to me that in general the problems she addresses with families are due to lack of rules, lack of consistency and lack of any structure and reasoning at all on the part of the parents. If cosleeping is a problem it is a symptom of the above and not cosleeping itself. The situations they show there are not normal, healthy, AP type situations but rather parents who feel completely out of control and who have NO tools whatsoever to deal with their children. It's also highly edited entertainment and not reality.

I have also stopped concerning myself with what "most other" kids do. If cosleeping is working for you, don't worry about it. If it's not, there are many gentle tips out there to transition your child out of your bed. I know lots of people who had their kids sleep with them on and off throughout childhood and their kids are in their 20's now and perfectly independent, well adjusted and happy people.

BTW my highly TP sister has told people that my son has "no discipline" and that he is going to be a "terror." She was a handslapper in infancy and threatens to give her kid (2 years old) a smack constantly. She always asks her "do you want to get hit? then say you're sorry" for something stupid, like spilling some of her water or juice at a restaurant. I guess it takes all types and it CERTAINLY takes a thick skin to deal with all of the criticism.

The one thing that helped me understand AP was that it is about the LONG TERM good of your child. An AP infant may SEEM clingier but in the long run it leads to a more independent child. It may be easier to slap your toddler into silence when they are having a tantrum than to try to deal with it in a thoughtful way, to try to figure out the cause and react appropriately but I am not parenting my child to put on a show for other people's approval. All that matters to me is that I have a happy, confident, independent child who grows into a happy, confident, independent adult. Just because you choose to be gentle does not mean that you are a pushover.
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November 7th, 2009, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by lisa74 View Post
I don't have any real concrete "been there, done that" advice because I am right there with you with my 17 month old but I do have some thoughts because I DO think about this... a LOT. And yes, it is a LOT harder to be AP with a toddler than with a baby IMO.

No one has started in on me about breastfeeding and I have hidden the fact that I co-sleep for quite some time from my family because I just cannot listen to their criticism of it. The only people who know are friends who are supportive. But I do not hide it from them because I feel I am doing the wrong thing, I hide it from them because I could explain til I am blue in the face and they will never believe me and already think I am a total whacko and I choose not to spend my time and energy going down that path for one second more than I have already.

But all that said, I think you just need to have faith that your child will wean and move out of your bed when they are ready. Period. Think about all of the other things your child has done when they were ready, from walking to eating solids etcetc. My son does not always do everything on the timeline that I'd hope but he does things when he is good and ready and I am starting to finally gain confidence in him that all things will come with time.

I'd love to hear the feedback from been there done that moms on this one but I NEVER refuse cuddles if my son wants them. It is difficult to know when to let them throw a tantrum because their patterns are changing and tantrums are a new way of expressing themselves. When they are infants and they cry, it's because they have a need. As toddlers they sometimes cry because they cannot express their need, or because they are testing their boundaries, or some combination of the two. So to me, the first thing you need to figure out is what boundaries you want to set for your child so that you can maintain some level of consistency.

My son has recently started throwing the biggest tantrums lately and it's been rough making the transition for me. But what I try to do is learn from each tantrum and situation, figure out WHY he is throwing the tantrum and what I want the response to be next time so that I can maintain some level of consistency. If he is throwing a tantrum because he cannot express what he wants and we just can't figure it out (the other day he was sitting at the table SO ANGRY because we just could not figure out what he wanted/was pointing at after offering him everything at the table and saying its name "do you want water? do you want pretzels? Do you want a straw? Do you want a cup?") then I just take him for a "time out" (not in a "punishment" sense but in a "taking time out of a stressful situation to refocus yourself" sense) and sit in a quiet place and nurse him and allow him to center himself again. I know he's just frustrated that we can't understand him and it gives him an opportunity to calm down.

The other kind of tantrum is the "testing boundaries" kind and these are very difficult for me to deal with because I know I have to stand firm on them or else there will be big trouble later. For example, today he was having a huge tantrum over not wanting to sit in his booster seat. The first time DH tried to put him in he kicked and screamed so DH put him on the floor. He immediately became happy but started reaching for his food that was up on the table. It is a choking hazard for him to run around the house eating so this is something we need to hold a firm line on. I told him if he wanted to eat his lunch, he had to sit in his seat. I picked him up and put him in there and he started to kick and scream again, but I kept him in anyway. I talked to him the entire time in a calm tone and I told him that I knew he did not want to sit in his seat but that he needed to sit there to eat lunch if he was hungry. He got very angry, very frustrated, red in the face, yelling, but I just sat there with him and looked into his face and kept repeating that I understood how he felt but that he had to eat at the table like a big boy because it was dangerous to run around with food in your mouth. I actually have no clue how much of what I said he understood but it actually took less time than I expected for him to calm down and start eating, and he was totally himself as soon as he started to do that. This is the first time we've had this kind of a tantrum over this issue and I have learned that this is a situation where I believe he is testing limits. In general I allow him to explore things as he wishes and only stop him when he is doing something dangerous, and running around the house eating chicken is something that is dangerous. If he had wanted to cuddle at that point I would have given him cuddles, but he did not - he wanted what he wanted and was trying to get it.

I have only seen super nanny a handful of times but it seems to me that in general the problems she addresses with families are due to lack of rules, lack of consistency and lack of any structure and reasoning at all on the part of the parents. If cosleeping is a problem it is a symptom of the above and not cosleeping itself. The situations they show there are not normal, healthy, AP type situations but rather parents who feel completely out of control and who have NO tools whatsoever to deal with their children. It's also highly edited entertainment and not reality.

I have also stopped concerning myself with what "most other" kids do. If cosleeping is working for you, don't worry about it. If it's not, there are many gentle tips out there to transition your child out of your bed. I know lots of people who had their kids sleep with them on and off throughout childhood and their kids are in their 20's now and perfectly independent, well adjusted and happy people.

BTW my highly TP sister has told people that my son has "no discipline" and that he is going to be a "terror." She was a handslapper in infancy and threatens to give her kid (2 years old) a smack constantly. She always asks her "do you want to get hit? then say you're sorry" for something stupid, like spilling some of her water or juice at a restaurant. I guess it takes all types and it CERTAINLY takes a thick skin to deal with all of the criticism.

The one thing that helped me understand AP was that it is about the LONG TERM good of your child. An AP infant may SEEM clingier but in the long run it leads to a more independent child. It may be easier to slap your toddler into silence when they are having a tantrum than to try to deal with it in a thoughtful way, to try to figure out the cause and react appropriately but I am not parenting my child to put on a show for other people's approval. All that matters to me is that I have a happy, confident, independent child who grows into a happy, confident, independent adult. Just because you choose to be gentle does not mean that you are a pushover.
^ this is great advice.

If you are ok with BF and co-sleeping right now then there is no need to change it.

Please refer to our stickie here. It should be helpful to you! http://www.justmommies.com/forums/f9...criticism.html

You know what is best for your LO. Don't worry about everyone else. No matter what you do, someone will always have something to say.
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November 7th, 2009, 04:00 PM
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Here is my BTDT advice. I'm a mommy of four kiddos ages 10, 8, 5, and 13 months. I co-slept with all of them. By the time I got pregnant and had the next baby the older one was ready to move to their own bed. That's how my two oldest did it. My 5 year old and 13 month old both still sleep with me. Sometimes my 5 year old will go and sleep with her older sister. She's just not ready to be on her own and I'm not going to push her. I love waking up to her smiling at me and wrapping her arms around my neck. With that being said, she is VERY independent. She's in preschool and I thought for sure she would break down and cry on her first day, but she was SO excited and ran right in. I was more saddened by it than her, LOL. She also likes to bathe herself, dress herself, and so fourth. Pretty much all of my kids are independent, the don't "need" mommy but they love being around and cuddling mommy as much as they can

On to my advice....I think whatever is working for you and your family is what you need to do. If co-sleeping and breastfeeding is working out wonderfully, then why change it?

About the supernanny or nanny 9-11...blah! I wouldn't even pay half a mind to it. What works for one family won't always work for another. I've been told many times I need to go on that show and it's a load of crap. My kids, for the most part, are good. They just love Mommy. GL and (((hugs)))
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November 7th, 2009, 05:56 PM
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DD is almost 23 months old, and we're still cosleeping and BF'ing. DH and I are in no rush to get DD into her own bed. I find it baffling that so many moms push their babies and toddlers away and frown on cosleeping, clinginess, and extended BF'ing. They're babies and toddlers, for goodness sakes. It is normal for them to be very attached and clingy at times. DD is beginning to branch out a bit from her Mommy clinginess, and she is a sweet and thoughtful toddler.

This can be a rough age too because your LO may be cutting difficult teeth like the canines or 2 yr. molars (those last were an absolute nightmare for us). I have found whenever DD doesn't feel well (which has been mostly teething related for us), her clinginess gets much, much worse.
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^ Great advice in all the previous posts!

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Thanks, girls. It's just a little scary since he's my first one!
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