[navywifey2003]

Makes me sad.

[joonzgurl]

It makes me sad too, and I have come very close to giving it a try. I just can't bring myself to do that to my baby girl! (yet. Give me another couple months and I might feel differently).

That being said I would say there are different levels of "sleep training" that would range from CIO to sleep coaching with no crying. I think it depends to what extend parents take it how bad it is/how upset it makes me.

[ashj_1218]

I was lurking and saw that. So sorry it made you sad. It makes me sad too. Especially at this young age. My tune did change when Liam was 10 months and sleeping like a newborn. But it still made me sad.

[navywifey2003]

I agree Rachel there are defiantly different degrees and ways ect.

[*Jennifer*]

Originally Posted by joonzgurl

It makes me sad too, and I have come very close to giving it a try. I just can't bring myself to do that to my baby girl! (yet. Give me another couple months and I might feel differently).

That being said I would say there are different levels of "sleep training" that would range from CIO to sleep coaching with no crying. I think it depends to what extend parents take it how bad it is/how upset it makes me.

I did try it. My son vomited and I never did it again. Brings me to tears just thinking about it right now. Guess what. He goes to sleep in his crib just fine now. I didn't have to train him to go to sleep there. He still will get up at night and want to come to our bed some nights, but that is fine by me. I will take getting to cuddle with my lil guy for a few hours over getting more space in the bed any day!

Originally Posted by ashj_1218

I was lurking and saw that. So sorry it made you sad. It makes me sad too. Especially at this young age. My tune did change when Liam was 10 months and sleeping like a newborn. But it still made me sad.

Billy just recently started sleeping well. I was up at 3 am almost every morning last year. I had get ready for work at 5:30. I definitely aged from the lack of sleep.

[blondie-lox]

I hate it too. It makes my heart hurt to hear about poor babies all alone while crying. I don't want to be alone when I'm crying, why would you that to a baby?

[miamor]

some nights my son still wakes up every hour...on good nights it's every 3 hours. i still would never consider doing CIO.
it pains me to think about babies going through this.

[angelsailor288]

Someone on respect the breast (facebook) commented something like... would you let your 80yr old grandma, who cant walk anymore to help herself, cry alone in her room? Wouldnt you go to her and help her? Why is it different for a baby?

[navywifey2003]

There is a lot of it in my youngest PR right now and I just cant take it. I knew you ladies would understand.

[HippyMomOf4]

I can't stand it either, its really upset me when my PR went through it all as well.

[Fluga]

I think it is pretty horrible too. Last night DD woke up in the middle of the night and wouldnt go asleep for couple of hours. I was exhausted and about to lose it. I put her in her crib for probably 10 minutes and covered my head to block out her cries (the crib was next to me). Not something I recommend or intend to do but like said I needed the break.

Anyway when I took her back out of the crib and soothed her (interestingly she went to sleep finally after that) I was amazed at how long it took her to calm down completely. I dont remember if I was nursing her or just holding her but for the longest time her breathing was like mini sobbing. Now this was in my arms, I just thought about how awful it would be for a baby in her shoes that got left in the crib to cry it out until they fell asleep.

[angelsailor288]

Fluga.. I, out of desperation, tried CIO one night. It didnt last very long because Nicholas really freaked out. When I took him out of his crib it took him longer than ever to calm down. He did the little sobbing thing too. I felt horrible. I think they cry themselves into oblivion if left alone and have no choice but to sleep. Poor babies. I will never ever do it again.

Im in search of a new pediatrician because mine not only told me to let him CIO and that its ok (hes a sleep 'specialist' for kids HAH) but to put him in his crib at 830pm and not even check on him, come back at 830am. He said "this is how it was done in the old days and the kids are fine. its the parents that are not fine. just put him in there and shut the door. you wont know if he puked or peed til morning but he will be fine" OMG! Scary to imagine how many people took that advice ugh

[blondie-lox]

Originally Posted by angelsailor288

Fluga.. I, out of desperation, tried CIO one night. It didnt last very long because Nicholas really freaked out. When I took him out of his crib it took him longer than ever to calm down. He did the little sobbing thing too. I felt horrible. I think they cry themselves into oblivion if left alone and have no choice but to sleep. Poor babies. I will never ever do it again.

Im in search of a new pediatrician because mine not only told me to let him CIO and that its ok (hes a sleep 'specialist' for kids HAH) but to put him in his crib at 830pm and not even check on him, come back at 830am. He said "this is how it was done in the old days and the kids are fine. its the parents that are not fine. just put him in there and shut the door. you wont know if he puked or peed til morning but he will be fine" OMG! Scary to imagine how many people took that advice ugh

WOW!!!! That's not sleep training to me, that's straight up neglect! What a moronic doctor.

[angelsailor288]

Yes I was completely shocked he said it... hes telling me how he met Dr Ferber and the only reason to check on the babies is for the parents sake not the kids. Couldnt believe what I was hearing. If you are going to CIO, at least be responsible about it ugh

[joonzgurl]

Originally Posted by angelsailor288

Im in search of a new pediatrician because mine not only told me to let him CIO and that its ok (hes a sleep 'specialist' for kids HAH) but to put him in his crib at 830pm and not even check on him, come back at 830am. He said "this is how it was done in the old days and the kids are fine. its the parents that are not fine. just put him in there and shut the door. you wont know if he puked or peed til morning but he will be fine" OMG! Scary to imagine how many people took that advice ugh

My mouth literally dropped open when I read that. That is so awful.

[Cruiser]

Originally Posted by angelsailor288

Yes I was completely shocked he said it... hes telling me how he met Dr Ferber and the only reason to check on the babies is for the parents sake not the kids. Couldnt believe what I was hearing. If you are going to CIO, at least be responsible about it ugh

WOW! He needs to do some reading, because even Ferber has either readjusted his method, or said it was never intended for kids to cry for hours and hours untended. Not that I'm a fan, of course.


I hate CIO. We will never use it. I know I shouldn't judge others parenting choices, but I truly lose some respect for parents that choose CIO. I especially hate the arbitrariness (is that a word?) of it - like how at 4 months babies are magically big enough to not need to eat at night. Wha?

[ashj_1218]

^^I can't tell you how many people have said to me "How is he not sleeping through the night, he is plenty big enough."

Why do they think that when a baby reaches a certain weight they can suddenly sleep through the night? It doesn't make sense to me. I mean, if anything, smaller babies who are older (aka: a 12lb 4-month-old) would seem to have the best chance of sleeping thru because they don't need as much to sustain them as a 20lber and their stomach is big enough to hold the amount they would need for the night. But I am not making the argument that ANY baby should sleep through depending on weight/age/height or some other weird measurement. I just wonder where the idea came about.

I even had a well-meaning older person comment that "He might not be so big if you didn't feed him at night." As if I plan to let me kid scream for food and ignore that he is hungry in hopes to slim him down AT FOUR MONTHS?? He is not fat, he is big boned (and very long as well).

[NatureLovinMama]

Sleep training sounds like WAY too much work IMO I have received more sleep through co-sleeping and breastfeeding than I ever would have trying to "train" a baby to sleep! LOL!

[Anna2ds]

I coslept and nursed to sleep til myyoungest baby was around a year old. Then I nursed her to sleep on a mattress on the floor. Once she was asleep I would sneek away for the night. She was fine, no crying or any trouble at all. Around 18 months I stopped nursing and just laid down with her for a few minutes til she falls asleep. No problems at all. She is asleep by 7 no crying and no fussing. All she wanted was cuddles. Why deny her cuddles?

[Valerie.]

Originally Posted by angelsailor288

Someone on respect the breast (facebook) commented something like... would you let your 80yr old grandma, who cant walk anymore to help herself, cry alone in her room? Wouldnt you go to her and help her? Why is it different for a baby?

Exactly! For some reason, people seem to forget that infants and young children are people too. They have the same rights as everyone else on this planet. The "oh they won't remember" excuse is B.S. in my opinion. It's been proven that sleep training is harmful on the brain and that they do infact remember..and yet people continue to do it.