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plan4fate August 29th, 2012 11:16 AM

a "for the children" debate - School speed zones...
 
a friend shared this today on Facebook. I'm aware this is already very popular across the US, but residential speed limits are a bit higher in NS with no current reduction in School zones.

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This is his repsonse.

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This is awful, we are doing nothing more than teaching an already over coddled children that their safety is someone else's responsibility. When I was a kid which was not that long ago, we were taught to stop, listen, and look both ways before crossing the street. Some of you might even remember a time when children held an arm out straight in front of them indicating they wanted to cross the street. Others might need to be reminded that "jay walking" is a crime in this Provence. Meaning the cute little things should not be playing running or dancing in the streets to begin with. In closing if your hit at 50 you learn your lesson if your hit at 30 it could take you multiple incidents to learn that same lesson.
I'm just wondering where most of you would stand if this was happening in your area and it had never been before? To convert for you. 50km = 31mph so 30kmph = 18.6mph.


I feel he's taking all responsibility away from drivers who do not follow the law (aka stopping at a crosswalk) and placing it solely on the pedestrian. While I do think that yes, children need to be taught the rules of the road, I think that something needs to be done for the drivers who just aren't paying attention what so ever or who adapt the attitude that they have the right of way when they do not. Big city cross walks in Halifax have flashing amber lights to stop traffic in both directions... but I've been 3/4 of the way across more than once and someone decides to go in the 4th lane of traffic and nearly ram into me. Apparently pushing the button, waiting for all oncoming traffic at the time to stop and going wasn't good enough, I should know that the other guy was going to leap out from behind the semi and blow through the cross walk making it my fault huh? More than one town meeting has been called about making those lights red instead of amber.

HappyHippy August 29th, 2012 12:12 PM

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I'm all for reduced speed limits in school zones. Reduced speed isn't just for kids, it's also for cross walk guards, people picking up/dropping off, school buses, etc. The nearest school here actually has the road completely blocked off during school hours, you cannot go down the road that goes in front of the school.

I also think everyone is responsible for one another. When I'm driving I'm also responsible to make sure I slow down, stop, etc and abide by the laws. That doesn't mean the pedestrian is not responsible at all, it makes us both responsible to the law etc. Teaching kids is also still a great way to teach them about laws and looking for cars, and some drivers still dont' pay attention or think they're hot **** going faster than they should.

Tammyjh August 29th, 2012 01:14 PM

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Its 15mph here during school hours and I think that's fast enough.

~Kris~ August 29th, 2012 02:45 PM

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For the last 2 years I walked my son to/from school and there were at least a handful of times the crossing guard almost got hit(as in he had to jump out of the way!) plus dozens more where a car was coming quickly and slammed on their brakes. The guard was standing in the middle on the road with a neon orange vest and red stop sign right in front of the school-how do people not pay attention? Oh wait, they think they are more important than anyone else on the road!

Now my son rides a bus because of going to a gifted program at another school and on Monday while the kids were getting off the bus a van who felt they didn't need to wait pulled out from behind the bus and turned left. Thankfully the 2 girls who cross in front of the bus and across the main road of our subdivision had not gotten off yet otherwise they could have been hit. Luckily the car behind that one honked his horn which got everyone's attention. The car that turned then got stuck behind another bus after they turned so I was able to run and get their license plate number so the bus driver could turn it in to the police department.

I also agree that kids need to be taught to look and everything, but you have to remember they are the kids, not the adults driving heavy vehicles!

Plus the amount of time added to your drive if you go thru a school zone and have to slow down is SO minimal!

clouise August 30th, 2012 06:10 AM

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I think slower is better when it comes to school zones. That person sounds like a jerk honestly. Would it really make you feel any better if you hit a small child who stepped right in front of your car? Would that be your fault? No, not really. But it's a kid...how could you not feel awful? And that's the only reason to drop the speed limit. There is generally more traffic with people pulling in and out to drop their kids off, and buses coming and going. It just makes sense to slow everyone down a bit.

And yes...to answer their question, a child's safety IS more important than someone getting to work two minutes earlier. I think the same could be said about all pedestrians.

MindyRambo August 30th, 2012 06:47 AM

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I support reducing the speed limit. I actually didn't know NS still had 50 km limits in school zones. Everywhere else I've been in Canada has 30km an hour as a limit in school zones.

*Jennifer* August 30th, 2012 08:57 AM

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I have never heard of 50 mph in a school zone. That seems a bit too fast. Over here it is 25mph.

I am wondering if the person who posted on facebook lives or works in an area where there are people who have no regard for safety in a crosswalk. I know the city I work in has people who just go whenever they please, even after the light turns green for those who would be driving through the crosswalk. Then they walk like turtles not giving a crap about anyone else.

I know that has nothing to do with school crosswalk, but it provided a forum for me to vent.

plan4fate August 30th, 2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by *Jennifer* (Post 26468455)
I have never heard of 50 mph in a school zone. That seems a bit too fast. Over here it is 25mph.

I am wondering if the person who posted on facebook lives or works in an area where there are people who have no regard for safety in a crosswalk. I know the city I work in has people who just go whenever they please, even after the light turns green for those who would be driving through the crosswalk. Then they walk like turtles not giving a crap about anyone else.

I know that has nothing to do with school crosswalk, but it provided a forum for me to vent.

kmph hun, it's in Canada. But yes, the residential speed limit is 6mph higher in Canada than in the states anyway, so it's even faster through a school zone.

And yes, the person lives in the big city, just got his first car and views children as an unfortunate necessary evil to the world. 99/100 I agree with him on things, but never when it comes to children. He seems to think they're born with immediate maturity and people just coddle it out of them.....



A teacher aide friend of mine said this. She doesn't like to get into debates so I'm posting it for her with out her name.

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i don't post on the debate board just lurk, but want to add that kids are still developing that skill where they stop and think before doing. Young kids (say kindergarten, first, and even second grade) can and do dart after a ball or whatever without thinking first. Even kids who know better will occasionally "forget" and run out. Heck, even adults do it from time to time.
And that's something I hadn't though of, though since I've done nothing but complain about DSS's lack of impulse control for over a week, it should have been what I was thinking of. If one of our kids went into the road, we'd go after them, regardless of what might happen to us. They are the most important thing to us. Well.. to a kid, that level of importance is changed, something like a ball, or their pencil case could prompt them to go after it with out as much as a second thought.

*Jennifer* August 30th, 2012 12:30 PM

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D'oh...I was thinking *** - 50 mph....crazy!

Tammyjh August 30th, 2012 12:47 PM

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I don't understand how lowering the speed limit means that anyone would stop teaching children road safety. One of the most popular places parents teach road safety is in store parking lots where speed limits are commonly set at 10mph.

K.A.T August 30th, 2012 01:00 PM

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I'm all for reduced speed limits. Here people tend not bother with obeying the rules of the road. The roads get so congested as is near the schools with all the parents who double park to drop off, and the school buses. Combine that with regular traffic and it can be a nightmare. If the person is actually obeying the reduced limit, there is a smaller chance of an accident happening. And if one where to occur, there is a smaller chance of the people involved being severely injured.

Repti.Mom August 30th, 2012 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by K.A.T (Post 26469897)
I'm all for reduced speed limits. Here people tend not bother with obeying the rules of the road. The roads get so congested as is near the schools with all the parents who double park to drop off, and the school buses. Combine that with regular traffic and it can be a nightmare. If the person is actually obeying the reduced limit, there is a smaller chance of an accident happening. And if one where to occur, there is a smaller chance of the people involved being severely injured.


People can't even park right at our school. Which means that when the road gets slimmer and slimmer with crappy winter plowing the city bus can't even GET through when there is traffic on both sides of the road.

I don't think we have speed limits here but it's just common sense. And yes, they still teach the kids parking lot/road safety. They even make their own videos about it each year.

As for your question, if it happens in our city, no one really has a right to DO anything about it at all. You don't follow the speed limit you'll get ticketed, plain and simple.

*Leslie* August 30th, 2012 03:25 PM

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In closing if your hit at 50 you learn your lesson if your hit at 30 it could take you multiple incidents to learn that same lesson.
I am just baffled by this comment. What an inconsiderate a-hole.
Our school zone limits are 20mph and I agree with everything said before me.

cybele August 30th, 2012 03:30 PM

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*Jennifer* August 30th, 2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Repti.Mom (Post 26470481)
People can't even park right at our school. Which means that when the road gets slimmer and slimmer with crappy winter plowing the city bus can't even GET through when there is traffic on both sides of the road.

I don't think we have speed limits here but it's just common sense. And yes, they still teach the kids parking lot/road safety. They even make their own videos about it each year.

As for your question, if it happens in our city, no one really has a right to DO anything about it at all. You don't follow the speed limit you'll get ticketed, plain and simple.


People triple park where I work. Just stop right in the middle of the road with no regard for cars needing to get through. I guess it beats the people who decide to suddenly whip a u-turn right in front of you.

plan4fate August 30th, 2012 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by lesliek0211 (Post 26470503)
I am just baffled by this comment. What an inconsiderate a-hole.
Our school zone limits are 20mph and I agree with everything said before me.

Yup, I was floored by that one too.

Frozenoj August 31st, 2012 12:54 AM

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Reducing the speed limit in school zones to me is less about actual speed and more about getting people to pay attention. I know when I go through a school zone I pay more attention to my surroundings than I do normally. Yes kids should learn to check both ways and whatnot, but come on... they're kids. Their brains haven't even developed all the way yet. We can only expect so much from them.

I do think it would bother me if the speed limit was that low all the time. Here it only goes down for a few hours around when school gets in (like two hours before and one after or something) and then again around the time school gets out. There's no need to go 15MPH at midnight on a Saturday.

*Jennifer* August 31st, 2012 08:16 AM

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I agree. Slower means paying more attention. It also means being able to stop quicker. Faster you are going the longer it is going to take for your car to come to a complete stop should you need to slam on your brakes.

GSLynn September 6th, 2012 08:31 PM

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20mph in the school zone when flashing here, and 10 mph when on actual school property. Do you think any parents care? NO they are the WORST offenders. I cannot tell you how many times I have seen an accident in the school parking lot, someone 'almost' clipping a child or teacher or other parent, someone who is speeding through the parking lot with more than 2 dozen kids before school and after school, those who ignore the crossing guards, people with road rage, people who 'just barely' stop or think it's funny to 'rev' up the gas to scare their child or other kids. People are so dang stupid in my area. So while the law here is supposedly strict, and the speed limit is reduced here, and all that, it's not really doing much to curb the jerks who just want to act like jerks. For the rest of us normal people? We'd be going 20mph even if there were no sign telling us to go that slow. I think that laws are thought of as just "guidelines" to people these days....ugh

ETA: Parking? Please....people stop in the middle of the road regardless of that it's a through street, not a drop off zone; you see a door open and kid(s) jump out and walk the rest of the way to the school.

Also adding: The limits are for the ADULTS driving. Kids should ALWAYS look both ways regardless of laws and such, but even if they double-triple-quadruple check, adults tend to "come out of nowhere" and hit someone. Even *I* sometimes miss seeing when someone's just coming down the street like a bat out of he__ until they practically hit me, and *I* the pedestrian with the right of way is jumping away. Guess who gets flipped off too? Yep.... I do! People need to either a. look where they're going and adjust their speeds as appropriate or b. NOT drive.

glasscandie September 9th, 2012 07:39 PM

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No, I don't agree with increasing the speed limits. I think you should hit people where it hits the hardest - their wallets. Increased police patrol and doubled fines in school zones during school hours. Done.


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