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LJD3Tdance May 8th, 2010 06:49 PM

I've returned with a question...
 
OK, so I'm back, I'm not really considering home birth again, it seems to late to try to consider this now (34 weeks pregnant and I don't think my midwife does home births.) However, I've recently discovered she's breech and I thought I'd come ask you ladies cuz you might understand how I feel and nobody else seems to.

I'm really opposed to the idea of a c-section. I don't think mother's who have c-sections have somehow failed at motherhood or anything like that, but I think me having a c-section is not a good deal. I feel like it is better for babies to be born vaginally for many reasons, and I'm not trying to offend anybody by saying that, so hopefully nobody takes offense to it.

I keep running into people who just keep telling me it isn't a big deal, and they're probably right that her being breech with me being only 34 weeks isn't a huge deal, but they're talking about the c-section possibility, and I think it is a big deal. I remember after my appendectomy that I had only 3 weeks after having my first child I woke up after all the pain killers wore off in more pain than I had (at that point) ever been in. So the idea of trying to deal with those killer after birth breastfeeding pains and dealing with the pain of a surgery and not having the wonderful vaginal birth experience I've had 3 times before (I have complaints, but they were all 3 wonderful in their own way) just doesn't sound like a good deal.

So bare with me and pretend I've fastforwarded 4 to 6 weeks and she's still breech...what do I do then? I'm not researched on anything about breech babies cuz my others all just did what they were supposed to...which there is still time for her to do too, I just think now I'd probably better start researching!

flitabout May 8th, 2010 08:08 PM

Re: I've returned with a question...
 
First things first you do have time. Start with spinning babies, and a webster trained Chiropractor. Also see how your m/w feels about doing a breech delivery. I have had 3 c/s and would recommend that you avoid it at all costs. If you get to the day see about both the external and internal version.
If you do end up in a position of having a c/s, don't let them schedule you, they can do what is called a planned C/S rather than the elective c/s. That gives you the best chance for the baby to turn on his own. But start looking now for someone willing to attend a breech birth.
I would really suggest you hit the V-bac board the ladies there can give you tuns of info!

Twinkle May 9th, 2010 10:48 AM

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I would definitely try all the suggestion on the Spinning Babies site to help your baby girl turn. A good chiropractor will help as well.. I also agree that you should explore the option of a breech vaginal birth with your midwife... you can't be forced into a c-section and delivering breech is possible and safe with a trained midwife (and I'm sure other women have done it unassisted as well). Good luck hun, I think you do have time for her to move, please explore all your options!

wifey2kevin May 10th, 2010 07:28 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flitabout (Post 20116791)
First things first you do have time. Start with spinning babies, and a webster trained Chiropractor. Also see how your m/w feels about doing a breech delivery. I have had 3 c/s and would recommend that you avoid it at all costs. If you get to the day see about both the external and internal version.
If you do end up in a position of having a c/s, don't let them schedule you, they can do what is called a planned C/S rather than the elective c/s. That gives you the best chance for the baby to turn on his own. But start looking now for someone willing to attend a breech birth.
I would really suggest you hit the V-bac board the ladies there can give you tuns of info!

dirro all this!!

Isaeph May 10th, 2010 10:25 AM

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I definitely agree about all the methods to try and turn the baby...though I'm iffy on the external version...those sometimes put a LOT of stress on the baby and they always want to induce immediately. I think some babies pick an odd position because that is the safest position for them. My ds2 was posterior, from about 18 weeks on. I tried to help him move, but he just didn't. In the end, I think God nudged me to the realization that posterior was best for him. I make short cords, and I didn't want to jeopardize his safety by forcing a move on him, so I left him and decided if he moved, great, if not fine.

The thing about breech that I think really freaks practicioners out is that it's mostly a hands-off birth. NO tugging, no twisting, no moving the baby as it's born. Really, the best way is for the practicioner to just support the baby's weight as s/he is coming out....and that lack of involvement is an issue for many. At least that's how it seems to me.

GranolaMamaOf3 May 10th, 2010 12:58 PM

Re: I've returned with a question...
 
I've read in several books (Thinking Woman's Guide to a Better Birth, being one of them), that early external versions, can be very helpful. And with a skilled midwife, who is relaxed, gentle, and doesn't *force* the baby to turn, it's perfectly safe!

I hope she tuns on her own soon, so you don't have to worry about it! But if not, definitely see what your options are for a breach birth!...I don't blame you for not wanting a c-section!!

PixieQueen May 10th, 2010 01:22 PM

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I have had a vaginal breech birth, and it was no more difficult than my vertex birth. Granted, it was a surprise and since my water didn't break until I started pushing, it was a surprise I couldn't do anything about except push! So unfortunately I don't have advice about turning the baby, but if you can find a provider willing to attend you, I can tell you it's definitely possible!

Martha83 May 10th, 2010 01:32 PM

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Some doctors are willing to allow breech if it's certain types of breech..some types are more risky than others....so maybe an u/s to find out....IF it comes to that....my SIL had a baby in March...he was breech at 36 weeks....I said no worries he still has time to turn...she rolled her eyes at me (she was ready to have him and would rather have had a section I think) and in the end at her next appt he'd flipped....GOOD LUCK!

LJD3Tdance May 11th, 2010 10:38 PM

Re: I've returned with a question...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by flitabout (Post 20116791)
First things first you do have time. Start with spinning babies, and a webster trained Chiropractor. Also see how your m/w feels about doing a breech delivery. I have had 3 c/s and would recommend that you avoid it at all costs. If you get to the day see about both the external and internal version.
If you do end up in a position of having a c/s, don't let them schedule you, they can do what is called a planned C/S rather than the elective c/s. That gives you the best chance for the baby to turn on his own. But start looking now for someone willing to attend a breech birth.
I would really suggest you hit the V-bac board the ladies there can give you tuns of info!

Idk how my midwife feels about anything yet, cuz she said not to worry until 36 weeks (my next appointment is at 36 weeks and 1 day, so we get to talk then). I just can't even think of the c-section thing yet...I seriously can't afford a c-section on top of the fact that I incredibly don't want one.

LJD3Tdance May 11th, 2010 10:58 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Twinkle (Post 20120136)
I would definitely try all the suggestion on the Spinning Babies site to help your baby girl turn. A good chiropractor will help as well.. I also agree that you should explore the option of a breech vaginal birth with your midwife... you can't be forced into a c-section and delivering breech is possible and safe with a trained midwife (and I'm sure other women have done it unassisted as well). Good luck hun, I think you do have time for her to move, please explore all your options!

I can in no way afford a chiropractor at this moment sadly :( But I have been to the spinning babies site.

LJD3Tdance May 11th, 2010 11:06 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Isaeph (Post 20130175)
I definitely agree about all the methods to try and turn the baby...though I'm iffy on the external version...those sometimes put a LOT of stress on the baby and they always want to induce immediately. I think some babies pick an odd position because that is the safest position for them. My ds2 was posterior, from about 18 weeks on. I tried to help him move, but he just didn't. In the end, I think God nudged me to the realization that posterior was best for him. I make short cords, and I didn't want to jeopardize his safety by forcing a move on him, so I left him and decided if he moved, great, if not fine.

The thing about breech that I think really freaks practicioners out is that it's mostly a hands-off birth. NO tugging, no twisting, no moving the baby as it's born. Really, the best way is for the practicioner to just support the baby's weight as s/he is coming out....and that lack of involvement is an issue for many. At least that's how it seems to me.

Yeah I'm iffy on versions too, I am kinda iffy on everything right now cuz I just don't feel like I know enough about it, what I want is to go back to what I know, head down baby!

LJD3Tdance May 11th, 2010 11:14 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BirthDoulaToBe (Post 20132478)
I've read in several books (Thinking Woman's Guide to a Better Birth, being one of them), that early external versions, can be very helpful. And with a skilled midwife, who is relaxed, gentle, and doesn't *force* the baby to turn, it's perfectly safe!

I hope she tuns on her own soon, so you don't have to worry about it! But if not, definitely see what your options are for a breach birth!...I don't blame you for not wanting a c-section!!

I don't think my midwife wants an early version since she said not to worry about it til 36 weeks, and I'm kinda worried I can't even have one, my only real knowledge of versions is what I read somewhere when I was pregnant with Courtney (and no longer really remember since it has never been applicable to me) and what I learned from Ruth when she was waiting on James last year. And I remember her having some issue where they wouldn't do it past a certain date in the pregnancy, and I know I can't do it too early cuz I have some work issues...gah! :(

LJD3Tdance May 11th, 2010 11:20 PM

Re: I've returned with a question...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martha83 (Post 20133003)
Some doctors are willing to allow breech if it's certain types of breech..some types are more risky than others....so maybe an u/s to find out....IF it comes to that....my SIL had a baby in March...he was breech at 36 weeks....I said no worries he still has time to turn...she rolled her eyes at me (she was ready to have him and would rather have had a section I think) and in the end at her next appt he'd flipped....GOOD LUCK!

thanks :)

CameraLinds May 12th, 2010 08:30 AM

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I was going to recommend Acupuncture!
here's an article about it from my acu ;)
Breech | Holistic Kid

LJD3Tdance May 15th, 2010 12:19 AM

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Thanks :)

laisydaisymama May 15th, 2010 06:30 AM

Re: I've returned with a question...
 
you are in exactly the place I was in with my last pregnancy :( not a fun place to be. I ended up with a forced c-section after an unsuccessful version. I fought and kicked and screamed and begged and cried, and in the end I lost. I would HIGHLY reccommend a chiropractor and the Webster technique, talk to them and see if you can make payments or something. Even paying a chiro for 10 visits would be cheaper than a c-section! Feel free to PM me, or you can look up my birth story in the Nov 08 PR. I know what you are dealing with, all too well. That's a HUGE part of the reason I am having a homebirth this time. I hope things end better for you than they did for me hun.

_Brandy_ May 15th, 2010 10:25 AM

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Ok, well, a few things. First, why does breech mean a section? This is not what current research supports, don't consent to a section, they cannot force you, you can say no.

2nd, with my last (who is coming up on 2) he was breech and wouldn't turn (websters, moxibustion, visualization, pulsittila, etc), I had an ECV (external cephalic version) and I would recommend, hands down, havin g an ECV before giving up and definately before consenting to a section.

I had my ECV 13 days before he was born. Some places may want you to induce labour afterwards, but again, this is YOUR CHOICE, you are having the baby, nobody else, you decide what you want to do.

Good luck!

LJD3Tdance May 22nd, 2010 05:29 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by laisydaisymama (Post 20194160)
you are in exactly the place I was in with my last pregnancy :( not a fun place to be. I ended up with a forced c-section after an unsuccessful version. I fought and kicked and screamed and begged and cried, and in the end I lost. I would HIGHLY reccommend a chiropractor and the Webster technique, talk to them and see if you can make payments or something. Even paying a chiro for 10 visits would be cheaper than a c-section! Feel free to PM me, or you can look up my birth story in the Nov 08 PR. I know what you are dealing with, all too well. That's a HUGE part of the reason I am having a homebirth this time. I hope things end better for you than they did for me hun.

Thanks, looks like I should have listened to her when she told me not to worry, Amber's feet are kicking me in the ribs where her head was RIGHT now!


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