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September 21st, 2012, 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by fireflyluna13 View Post
Amber I am morbidly curious about your last post... you knew someone actually killed for their baby. Wow, that is awful! If it wouldn't make you uncomfortable I'd like to hear more...
I figured I would make this a separate thread. While it's pretty upsetting, I think it is a good reminder to be very careful online and on Craigslist.

A few years ago, my sister was dating this really sweet guy who had been married before and had a teenage daughter. My DH and I both knew him. I don't think the daughter's mother was in the picture much and my sister kind of got close to her and ended doing things with her like shopping for school clothes and helping her get her driver's license etc... Fast forward a few years and this girl now pregnant moved out west with her fiance to live. They were sooo excited about the baby and starting their new life together.

At some point, this girl got involved with using Craigslist to get stuff for the baby and I'm not sure if they have forums on there or not but she started talking to one lady in particular and eventually went to her house to pick up some baby clothes that the lady was selling. The rest is pretty upsetting, so I'll go through it quick.

This lady never had anything to sell and was basically stalking pregnant women. She killed my sister's friend who was about 8 months pregnant at the time when she showed up alone to pick up the clothing. She cut out the baby and stuffed the mother's body in the crawlspace of her house and then called 911 and claimed to have just had a baby at home and it wasn't breathing. I don't know how she ever expected to get away with it because when responders got there it was obvious she hadn't given birth.

The police were called and they searched the house and found the body in the crawlspace. Everyone was devastated including my sister. I think I was pregnant with Akadia when all this happened, because my sister became pretty worried about me. My heart still breaks thinking of the fiance. He lost everything. The baby did not make it.

The whole situation was so horrible and I couldn't believe it happened to someone I knew. If I get anything off of Craigslist now, my DH goes with me and I don't sell anything there myself. And don't be surprised, if I'm not jumping at the chance to meet any of you all in person. I was sooo paranoid about joining a pregnancy forum and I'm extremely suspicious of people on here at times because of all of this. I know there are evil people out there who prey on pregnant woman. This story isn't unique. It's happened plenty of times. We had it happen right here in my state too. I think the baby did make it in that case.

And aside from the obvious trolls we end up with here (which I have no love lost for), you never know what other crazies are just patrolling and reading the threads without posting. It's easy to get complacent and give out too much information, so I'm always reminding myself to be more careful.

And just as an aside, this wasn't some woman who was desperate for a baby and had been unable to have one or had lost one. She was a mother of I think 3 kids already. She already had a family but it wasn't good enough for her, she had to destroy someone else's. I hope she's rotting in a jail cell somewhere. I've never been able to find out much follow-up information online and I definitely don't want to bother the poor dad for info. So no idea what they did to the woman.

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September 21st, 2012, 07:50 AM
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Wow! I've heard of similar stories, but can't believe that it happened to someone you knew!
Great reminder about being careful with your information online!
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September 21st, 2012, 08:15 AM
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Another reason I dont put those signs on my yard that says you had a baby girl or boy. Its advertising you have a new baby. Ive heard of babies being kidnapped because,of those signs. You have to be very careful these days.
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September 21st, 2012, 08:19 AM
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And it's also a good reason to edit out hospital info and names on your u/s pictures that you post here and on FB.
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September 21st, 2012, 08:53 AM
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Things never surprise me much anymore, yet make me very sad, what really goes through a persons mind that can do such things will never know. This is why i barely ever watch the news it always seems to be filled with something sad and horrible, and maybe im a little naive, but i really try not to think of the bad things that people do because i do know it could happen to anyone and it scares the shiz out of me. So i just live my life be careful of strangers and dangerous situations and hope that nothing like that ever happens to me or my loved ones.

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September 21st, 2012, 09:28 AM
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That's horrific! I've heard those stories before and so I won't go to a CL lace without DH and I'm careful to try to stay in public, well-lit areas.

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September 21st, 2012, 09:38 AM
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Just horrifying! I'm so sorry to read this Amber.
I feel so bad for the girl's fiance and family, and for your sister.
I hope that woman is in jail or wherever they lock up dangerous insane people.

I am pretty paranoid about stuff I post online too. I certainly always edit out my personal info from ultrasounds (my SS# is even on mine). I can't believe how evil some people are.
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September 21st, 2012, 09:40 AM
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I feel so sorry for the fiance, your sister, and the girls family . I know for sure this lady is most likely in jail rotting. And her poor children now have to grow up without a mother.
That's sad...People now a days. Some parents even kill their own children now.. I don't know what this world is coming to. Kind of scared to bring my daughter in this scary world that will most likely only get worse in the future..so I'm most likely going to be a very protective mother because of all this crazy stuff going on in the world. Thank god I don't use Craigslist...

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September 21st, 2012, 09:49 AM
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Thanks for shareing this story Amber. It's a good reminder to stay safe. I need to be more careful with what I post.
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September 21st, 2012, 10:09 AM
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That's awful! I rarely buy anything on Craigslist (although I've sold several things), but when I do, I almost always send DH to buy it.
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September 21st, 2012, 01:21 PM
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That is horrible. I found the case through Google and yes the killer got life. What can one say when something like that happens? Its just tragic and unfair.

I do not like to post anything online that is in a public forum that could identify me or my children one hundred percent. You never know. I love a specific series of books and there are many websites dedicated to said series. Anyways, there was a man on a site I frequented years ago and there was one poster who was popular who became email buddies with many of the women on the site. Cyber friends I guess. People followed his blog on Myspace he really put up an elaborate front. Anyways he lived in another country and decided to come to the states and wanted to have a large meetup. Customs found a USB stick with child porn on it when he was being screened at the airport. This guy duped a few of the moms they probably would have let him come into their homes. He tried his shtick on me but I did not bite. So I have learned to be choosy about what I say and post. Better safe than sorry. I was cautious before that but more so after his arrest.

Any minute detail can be used by others with bad intentions however that does not mean you should live in fear of others. Just be cautious about what your posting and where your posting it. Never meet anyone from the internet at their home either or let them into yours or give out your address. Even if you have been emailing each other for 2 years and know their supposed life story and have seen pictures of their kids and cat. You never know.

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September 21st, 2012, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by runnermama19 View Post
That is horrible. I found the case through Google and yes the killer got life.
Did it happen to say anything about whether she was charged for the baby's death? At the time this was all going on, they were saying they weren't able to charge her for the baby since they couldn't prove it had taken a breath outside of the womb. Made me sick.

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September 21st, 2012, 01:43 PM
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I totally remember that story, and it was in the documentary I watched! There was one in the documentary that got away - the lady cut her but she fought and ran down the street trying to hold everything in I think both mom and baby survived.

I'm very cautious when i'm out in public when I'm super pregnant, and I actually had a dream a few mos ago that I had taken the girls to a playground and there was another pg mom there asking me all sorts of questions, and when she leaned down I saw her pregnant stomach was fake and just a bunch of pillows. In my dream I got the heck out of there, but it did freak me out.

There was also a case a couple mos ago about a mom who took her newborn to the pediatrician for his/her first appt and as she was putting the baby in the car at the dr's office, a car pulled up and tried to take the baby - shot and killed the mom and did get away with the baby but they found it not too long after. People are sick.
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September 21st, 2012, 01:47 PM
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That is so horrific Amber I'm so sorry for the girl's family and fiance and your sister too! You can never be too careful about anything and this is another reminder.
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September 21st, 2012, 02:04 PM
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Horrible!! I dont understand what goes through someones head before doing something so life altering... Are they really that mental that they think they can get away with it?

So sorry to hear this happened to someone you knew. My heart breaks for that poor fiancee....

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September 21st, 2012, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Leanne78 View Post
Did it happen to say anything about whether she was charged for the baby's death? At the time this was all going on, they were saying they weren't able to charge her for the baby since they couldn't prove it had taken a breath outside of the womb. Made me sick.

NBC made no mention of the killer being charged with the baby's death only the mothers. It looks like the reasoning is what you mentioned. However I don't agree with that he would have lived if not for the killer. That part really p***** me off. She committed two murders not one.
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September 21st, 2012, 02:51 PM
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that is so sad! I cant believe people can be so sick and twisted, but unfortunately they are out there. I hope that woman rots!

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September 21st, 2012, 03:00 PM
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omg - how horrific.
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September 21st, 2012, 04:05 PM
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That is sad and horrible. Good reminder to be careful. Pregnant women are one of the most vulnerable groups of people.
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September 21st, 2012, 04:33 PM
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I've always been extra weird about buying/selling things on CL. This summer, while DH was away, my grandparents kept trying to get me to post a couple things on there for them. They wanted me to include the address and phone number in the post. I said hell no! After weeks of them begging me, I finally gave in, and made sure it was done my way. I'm actually thankful that no one wanted the stuff. I explained to my gramma that posting on CL made me highly uncomfortable because of things like this becoming more and more common. She still thinks the best of everyone, and couldn't really wrap her mind around why it can be so dangerous...

We've been looking on CL for a dresser/nightstand set for Oliver's room, and this just reminds me why I pay full price for things.
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