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October 5th, 2009, 07:50 AM
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Jesus existed? Obviously not in the religious context like the bible says, but do you believe there was a man named Jesus that was maybe a wise leader in his day? What are your thoughts?
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October 5th, 2009, 08:51 AM
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I believe that there are a lot of men named Jesus! Seriously though, I'm sure that a man named Jesus probably did exist, but that he was just a regular man like everyone else. He was apparently pretty charismatic though, to get everyone to follow him blindly like they did/do.
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October 5th, 2009, 01:14 PM
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Yup. Just like Joseph Smith and the rest. Time cetainly does a lot to spin a long yarn doesn't it?

I'm not positive that he was just one person though. You know like there were a couple of myths or stories that all got passed on by word of mouth and attributed to one divine individual...
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October 6th, 2009, 07:57 AM
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Could you imagine growing up with your mother always telling you that you were a god? And trying to explain how mommy got pregnant before she was married?

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October 6th, 2009, 09:20 AM
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I won't argue it isn't possible, but we will never know for sure!
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October 6th, 2009, 10:17 AM
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Sure, but I think he was more like the Gandhi of that time.... you know, NOT actually or literally the son of "God." Just some guy with ideas who talked poor people into rising up against the powers-that-be. That's who he was.

But Christianity didn't become a religion because of Jesus. Jesus became a savior because of Christianity. It became a religion because people needed to be saved from Judaism. They were faced with: living under the Law, or living under Grace. So naturally they adopted Christianity, and you can't have a religion without a God, and it's helpful to have a guy like Jesus to tell you all about it. It's like inductive reasoning.
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October 6th, 2009, 02:23 PM
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I believe pretty much the same thing as amychristian. I think Jesus existed, he was a remarkable person, but JUST a person with nothing divine or supernatural about him. I also wonder if he was an illusionist, a magician, the David Copperfield of his time. People often attribute that which they witness but cannot explain to God, so I wonder if Jesus didn't employ a few tricks in getting people to believe he had divine powers.
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October 6th, 2009, 03:54 PM
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I believe that there are a lot of men named Jesus! Seriously though, I'm sure that a man named Jesus probably did exist, but that he was just a regular man like everyone else. He was apparently pretty charismatic though, to get everyone to follow him blindly like they did/do.
good point. he must have been impressive...
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Could you imagine growing up with your mother always telling you that you were a god? And trying to explain how mommy got pregnant before she was married?
hahahah!!!! yep. i can't imagine how i would feel if my mommie thought i was that special hehe


I'm really sure he existed. there is too much evidence historically to say no. but do i believe he was conceived by god?? hehe...it really seems ridiculous...
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I believe pretty much the same thing as amychristian. I think Jesus existed, he was a remarkable person, but JUST a person with nothing divine or supernatural about him. I also wonder if he was an illusionist, a magician, the David Copperfield of his time. People often attribute that which they witness but cannot explain to God, so I wonder if Jesus didn't employ a few tricks in getting people to believe he had divine powers.
I pretty much agree with this.
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October 27th, 2009, 09:52 AM
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I am not doubting that it is possible, but I doubt that Jesus ever exited.
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November 3rd, 2009, 04:59 AM
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I believe that there was a man, or possibly several, who spoke radically (at the time) about God. I do NOT believe that he was immaculately conceived or that he walked on water or that he rose from the dead.....
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Jesus existed? Obviously not in the religious context like the bible says, but do you believe there was a man named Jesus that was maybe a wise leader in his day? What are your thoughts?
Jesus was born sometime just before 4 B.C. and grew up in Nazareth, a small village in Galilee, as part of the peasant class. Jesus' father was a carpenter and he became one, too, meaning that they had likely lost their agricultural land at some point. Jesus was raised Jewish and he remained deeply Jewish all of his life; he never intended to create a new religion. Rather, he saw himself as acting within Judaism.
He left Nazareth as an adult and met the prophet John, who baptized him.
Is what historians take from the New Testament.
Josephus mentioned "the brother of Jesus-who-is-called-Messiah … James by name"


Wikipedia mentions:
The Mishnah (c. 200) may refer to Jesus and reflect the early Jewish traditions of portraying Jesus as a sorcerer or magician.[84][85][86][87] Other references to Jesus and his execution exist in the Talmud, but they aim to discredit his actions, not deny his existence.[84][88]
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