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July 18th, 2011, 10:19 PM
~*3 little bears*~'s Avatar Jack~Mack~Brooke~Baby
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My uncle is a pharmacist and posted this link on my facebook page after reading some comments about me not vaxing. Basically I'm looking for a respectful response to the article and the herd immunity argument.

Should People Who Refuse Vaccines Pay A Price? : NPR

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July 19th, 2011, 01:13 AM
Happy Song's Avatar Nicole
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I followed the link in your article to this one: Vaccines. Time for Society to Say Enough is Enough | Risk: Reason and Reality | Big Think

I do not think it is is possible to keep people safe. I do not believe it is the governments responsiblity to legistate safety. There are too many examples of things that are perfectly safe being proven wrong. Like margarine being better than butter, Sun block being the end all to skin cancer, or handing out antibiotics to every sniffle and sneeze.

What does society do when one personís behavior puts the greater community at risk? Thatís a no-brainer, right? We make them stop. We pass laws, or impose economic rules, or find other way to discourage individual behaviors that threaten the greater common good. You donít get to drive drunk. You donít get to smoke in public places. You donít even get to leave your house if you catch some particularly infectious disease
These sort of statments and the question you pose moves this from a medical question to a legal issue. Medically when you have an increase of from 33 case to 550, I am wondering if the virus a living evolving organism isn't changing to be more resistant to all things.

I believe the herd immunity is a dangerous idea, after all with this idea it is not hard to see a world were all people need to have an HIV test and those with HIV>ARC are systematically killed because this is a blood born disease and must be spread directly from person to person. Therefore the cure for the whole world is the eradication of the carriers. Great idea? No it is not moral, I would say ethical but the issue with ethics is that the definition can be changed, particular the ethics of the medical community evolving from Cause no harm to prevent all harm.

The last issue that concerns me is which vaccines and who gets the money. Seems like another money making issue and not really concerned with my health or the health of my children. Bottom line is I don't trust these nameless faceless people to make this decision for me as the decision to have 4 completely vaccinated children and one completely unvaccinated child was made as a matter of prayer for me and my husband individual to this child.
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July 21st, 2011, 07:40 AM
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Great words, Nicole...
Momma to Emma, Elzie, Gretchen, Olive, and Rogan

We aren't to give a baby milk, berries, or peanut butter. We are to introduce new foods one at a time. But it's OK to inject several viruses, bacteria, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol, animal serum, mercury, squalene and more into an 8 week old? I don't think so.
In order to be healthy it is an unfortunate fact that people must be allowed the opportunity to be ill. I trust my body and those of my children to work correctly against the relatively benign diseases they vax for, and do not trust the ingredients in the vaccinations.
Our choice to not vax isn't based in ignorance, poverty, conspiracy theory and rumor. It's research, common sense, fact and evidence based..something the medical community has largely forgot about.
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