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May 15th, 2008, 07:35 AM
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"A mom who picks up her baby and offers the breast each time her baby cries is teaching her baby that food is the source of comfort, not mom. This explains why Marisa is not easily comforted by secondary caregivers. I tmay also help explain the obesity problem of our nation's youth and why so many adults turn to food for stress relief. They have been trained that way from the beginning. We are not trying to express an inevitable cause-and-effect relationship between a fat baby and a fat adolescent later on. However, poor eating habits in infancy may result in eventual obesity. Overfeeding or disregarding healthy eating patters early on could be to blame."

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May 15th, 2008, 07:53 AM
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That makes me laugh. Clearly baby(notso)wise haven't done much breastfeeding research. From what I know and have experienced, comfort suckling at the breast is different from feeding at the breast.
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May 15th, 2008, 08:14 AM
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I can bet money that they didnt breastfeed and/or have a successful bfing relationship. Furthermore, comfort sucking has shown in research & statistics to strengthen the bond, result in fewer attachment issues, a stronger trust bond, more independence, etc. AND it also has the added benefit of establishing & maintaining an adequate supply, something most babywise moms struggle with (and theres no wonder why).

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You can't overfeed a breastfed baby.
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Isn't it nearly impossible for a bf baby to be overweight? Where on earth did they get this information?


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May 15th, 2008, 04:07 PM
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A mom who picks up her baby and offers the breast each time her baby cries is teaching her baby that food is the source of comfort, not mom."

I'd love to know what backs that statement up.......
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May 15th, 2008, 04:21 PM
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Imagine how fat we all were back in the olden times before formula was made! (because we all know how Babywise kills lactation).

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May 15th, 2008, 05:03 PM
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BabyWise is one of the worst parenting books out there. the AAP has issued a statement on the book because its advice has led to dehydrated sick underweight babies.
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May 15th, 2008, 05:21 PM
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It defies logic. A baby is still learning what hunger is; to schedule their feedings and make them wait until "it's time" seems to me like its undermining baby's ability to learn the connection of hungry feeling + milk = no more hungry feelings. "I feel that hungry feeling, but mom is not feeding me...I guess I'm not hungry then." Does that make sense?
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I do not have a response for that but ***???
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It defies logic. A baby is still learning what hunger is; to schedule their feedings and make them wait until "it's time" seems to me like its undermining baby's ability to learn the connection of hungry feeling + milk = no more hungry feelings. "I feel that hungry feeling, but mom is not feeding me...I guess I'm not hungry then." Does that make sense?[/b]

That makes perfect sense. What this is teaching your baby is that they have a need that mom and dad will not meet. That's been proven to produce kids with self confidence issues, among other things, the least of them being that the baby will whither away.

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I'm very new to debates in general so please forgive me if I'm out of line. All of BabyWise books should be taken off the shelves and burned along with anything Dr. Phil writes.
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I'm very new to debates in general so please forgive me if I'm out of line. All of BabyWise books should be taken off the shelves and burned along with anything Dr. Phil writes.[/b]
You aren't out of line & WELCOME to the debates!
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May 15th, 2008, 10:48 PM
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I kept mine for reference purposes; the author revises them every few years to take out the controversial stuff. Mine are from the early 1990s and are waaaay worse than the newer editions.
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I'm very new to debates in general so please forgive me if I'm out of line. All of BabyWise books should be taken off the shelves and burned along with anything Dr. Phil writes.[/b]
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May 16th, 2008, 05:28 PM
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"A mom who picks up her baby and offers the breast each time her baby cries is teaching her baby that food is the source of comfort, not mom. This explains why Marisa is not easily comforted by secondary caregivers.

pg. 140 Babywise[/b]
that is actually the stupidest thing Ive ever heard. How does that explain why Marisa is not comforted by secondary caregivers? If anything it PROVES mom is the source of comfort, because when the secondary caregiver has food its not comforting because its not coming from mom. I mean the statement itself is beyond idiotic. It would certainly make me second guess anything I read in that book if I did think any of it was sensible I'd probably change my mind after reading something like that.

that being said I think you should offer your breast every time baby is HUNGRY not everytime baby cries. (although I do believe in comfort nursing if you take care of their needs and they just need comfort) same goes for formula feeding. If the baby is crying because her diaper is wet - change her diaper not give her food. but the statement made in that book was actually contradictory.

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BabyWise is one of the worst parenting books out there. the AAP has issued a statement on the book because its advice has led to dehydrated sick underweight babies.[/b]
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May 16th, 2008, 05:36 PM
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That is about one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard
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May 16th, 2008, 05:46 PM
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God forbid a baby actually forms an attachment with his mother . I mean really, why is it considered a good thing to be able to hand baby off and he couldn't care less?
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God forbid a baby actually forms an attachment with his mother . I mean really, why is it considered a good thing to be able to hand baby off and he couldn't care less?[/b]
thats actually a bit of a scary thought if you ask me!
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