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May 24th, 2008, 10:56 PM
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"No culture in the history of the world, save the thoroughly depraved and expiring ones, has failed to affirm the existence of a Supreme Being. It is an empirical observation that men without a strong and lasting faith in a Supreme Being are less capable, less ethical and less valuable to themselves and society . . . . A man without an abiding faith is, by observation alone, more of a thing than a man."
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May 26th, 2008, 08:04 AM
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"No culture in the history of the world, save the thoroughly depraved and expiring ones, has failed to affirm the existence of a Supreme Being.[/b]
Define "culture". There are cultures that are slowly purging religious beliefs as the world becomes less religious. No doubt some will always beleive in the fantastical and nonsensical, just as some will always believe in aliens. "Belief" hardly justifies the existence of gods or aliens.

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It is an empirical observation that men without a strong and lasting faith in a Supreme Being are less capable, less ethical and less valuable to themselves and society[/b]
Really? Who's empirical observation is that? Since I dropped my "faith in a supreme being" I think I have become more ethical. I didn't even know what it meant to be "moral" outside of "God says don't do that". I also find I am more valuable to myself and others because I am no longer living in a fantasy world where what is most important is what is beyond my apparent lifetime on Earth. I now understand that is all I have.

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A man without an abiding faith is, by observation alone, more of a thing than a man."[/b]
Well, that is just plain silly. You mean a fantasy belief makes one more of a person than a reality based one? I think such thinking dilutes what it means to be human. It causes one to deny their actual humanness.
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May 26th, 2008, 09:09 PM
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Ah, Scientology lol The quote was taken from some Scientology site...I had a point to posting it, but now I can't remember what it was.
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June 27th, 2008, 11:29 AM
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I don't really agree with that statement either. Having faith in something doesn't make you more of a man/woman. Having no faith in a higher power does not make you any less.
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June 28th, 2008, 06:54 AM
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I think it could be argued that denying fantasy beliefs, and seeking reality, makes you more human. It allows you to maximize your human experience. I will give an example. Look at the movie The Matrix where Cypher betrays his his friends so he can return to the imaginary world of the Matrix. He was the bad guy because he denied his own humanness and sought fantasy instead of reality.
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