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July 11th, 2008, 03:10 PM
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A mall that I go to frequently has been having problems with teenagers. Last year they started a food fight in the food court. It turned into a free for all that caused thousands of dollars in damage, scared families with young children and resulted in the arrest of several teens.

There have been violent fights, lots of shoplifting or attempts at shoplifting, and they crowd the malls chasing away families who are there to actually shop.

So tonight a new rule starts at the mall. After 5 pm on Fridays and Saturdays anyone under the age of 18 must be accompanied by someone 21 or older. IDs will be checked at the door and wristbands will be issued to those who are under age. Anyone who violates the rule will be removed from the mall.

Do you think this seems like a good idea or is it completely unfair to the teens?



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Newark, Del. —

Teenagers who spend Friday and Saturday nights at the Christiana Mall will soon have a new crowd to hang out with: chaperones.

The mall, in Newark, will begin enforcing a curfew on July 11, barring anyone under 18 on Fridays and Saturdays after 5 p.m., unless they are escorted by an adult over 21.

Security guards will be checking identification at all mall entrances and patrolling the concourse, kicking out any unescorted teenagers who might have slipped past the checkpoints, said Steve Chambliss, Christina Mall senior manager.

Teens with chaperones will be given wristbands and allowed inside, but they must stay with their chaperone at all times, Chambliss said. One chaperone can accompany up to four teens.

The curfew is intended to cut down on crowds, said Chambliss.
Teeming throngs of teenagers, sometimes more than 2,000 at a time, usually pack the mall’s common area on Friday and Saturday nights, but most aren’t shopping, he said. They run around the mall, climb on the benches and pick fights with each other, making it difficult for people who are shopping to squeeze through the aisles, he said.

“It becomes a hangout instead of a shopping mall,” he said.

Chambliss is not worried about losing business from teens. In fact, he thinks the curfew will improve revenue, because it will be a calmer place where people can come to shop, instead of avoiding unruly teenagers.

However, Teen Research Unlimited data says otherwise: teens are big spenders.

Their study reports that America’s teens spent $176 billion last year, a significant percentage of it in malls. Two-thirds visit a mall at least once a month.

But despite teenagers' mall-heavy spending habits, mall curfews are not a new concept.

Christiana will be the 54th in the nation with one – the first in the greater Philadelphia area – following a trend that began in the mid-1990s and received national attention when the largest mall in the country, Bloomington, Minn.’s Mall of America, adopted a curfew in 1996.

Chambliss said the Mall of America proved a curfew can be successful. And although the curfew is a change, it is not as dramatic as it may seem, he said. The Christiana Mall is open 80 hours a week, and it restricts teenagers for only 10.

“We are definitely inviting teenagers here. We want them here,” he said. “We are just saying bring an adult.”

"Not fair"

Brandywine Hundred resident Sara DiSabatino, 17, said the last thing she wants to do is shop with an adult on weekend nights. Imposing a curfew is not fair, she said.

DiSabatino’s mother, Kim, said the last thing she wants to do on a weekend night is baby-sit a giggling group of teenage girls while they window-shop.

DiSabatino visits the mall two or three times a month, usually to stock up on trendy clothes, but she also meets friends because it is a fun place to hang out, or at least it will be until July 11.

“The mall thinks all teenagers are untrustworthy, but it is not all of us,” she said.

Cody Burchfield, 14, a Newark resident, agrees.

“The teens that cause trouble, the mall should keep a record of them instead of punishing everyone,” he said.

The Christiana Mall has always been a hangout for teens and it is wrong to try and change that, said Katie Brown, 14, of Newark. She typically goes to the mall every Friday night to shop and hang out, but the curfew may put an end to all her fun.

“Now we’ll have to find something else to do,” she said.[/b]
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July 11th, 2008, 04:50 PM
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I think that having a chaperone to go shopping is taking away from the fun of going shopping when your a teen. Its punishing the teens that are well behaved and not causing trouble.
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July 11th, 2008, 07:57 PM
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I think it's a good idea and unfair at the same time. I guess I can't be outraged about this because I hate commercialism but it does seem not fair to the teen who are there to shop to punish them. I think the most fair thing to do is to ban those who are causing trouble.
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The Christiana Mall has always been a hangout for teens and it is wrong to try and change that, said Katie Brown, 14, of Newark. She typically goes to the mall every Friday night to shop and hang out, but the curfew may put an end to all her fun.

“Now we’ll have to find something else to do,” she said.[/b]
Oh no! The horror! She goes to the mall every Friday night to shop? Was I not a typical teen, or does anyone else find that crazy?



I had to laugh at the idea of a food fight in the food court. Sounds fun! (Not advocating, just sayin')
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July 11th, 2008, 09:35 PM
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I agree and disagree at the same time. On one hand, it stops chaos at the mall from problem teens. But on the other hand it punishes well behaved teens. I think there should be a happy medium with it. Maybe raise the timeframe from 5pm to maybe 7pm? What I have heard about the mall close to me, it is later in the evening towards closing time the trouble starts.
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July 12th, 2008, 09:48 AM
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It went on all evening long here. As an adult with a child we avoid the mall on Friday and Saturday nights because of the chaos. There were fights all of the time and even some who had been caught bringing weapons into the mall. If you were to go there on a Friday or Saturday evening the place is deserted of families. Most of them are afraid to be there.

In light of the fact that things had gotten so bad I don't blame the mall for doing what they felt they had to do. It does suck for the teens who are well behaved and who are there for good reasons but it's hard to say well "this one's fine to go alone and this one's not."
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July 12th, 2008, 10:17 AM
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I think they should just beef up on security.

We had uniformed police officers walking the halls in my high school and I went to a northern virginia "rich highschool"....just knowing they were there kept alot of bad things from happening.

Mall security is normally a joke anyways. Some man who is older than dirt with a flashlight....

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July 12th, 2008, 12:11 PM
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They already have state police on patrol at the mall. It hasn't done any good. Some nights there are up to 2,000 teens at the mall. That's a large crowd to have to control and they can all spread out.
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July 12th, 2008, 01:07 PM
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Jeez louise, that is definitely a bigger and more troublesome situation than the average mall... 2,000 kids and state police!

Personally anything that keeps kids from being sucked into mindless hours in the church of consumerism is a good thing to me

But, I do think it's probably unfair to the kids who aren't causing problems. Though my hunch is that the kids who aren't causing problems probably don't want to be there with a bunch of hoodlums either.

Regardless, at the end of the day, the mall is a business that has a right to serve who it wants to I suppose.

I don't know that having to go with someone who is 21 will make things better ... like kids turn 21 and magically become responsible if they weren't already. And when I was a teenager, half my friends (uh, ok, I admit, the male half) was older anyway. It's pretty normal for teenage girls to hang out with older guys.

So it may be a well intentioned idea, but I don't know if it will help much.

What if they just closed early on Friday nights, and sucked up the losses Yeah, not likely!
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July 12th, 2008, 03:38 PM
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If teenagers need a chaperone to know how to behave at a mall, I'd say that this isn't something that's going to just go away when they're 21. As that guy on comedy television says, "You can't fix stupid."

I'll readily admit that I was a troublemaker as a teenager. I had a group of friends and we went around playing pranks and such, but we wouldn't have even THOUGHT about pulling something like that. Why? Because we knew as soon as we got home from the night we just spent in gaol (see: parents not coming to get us and letting us sit there) we were in a world of trouble. The problem is not in teenagers, it's not in mall security, and it's not in the laws about curfews - it's in the kids and their parents. I see this as yet another fine example of what happens when parents are too soft on kids - they don't have boundaries at home, the schools are now so restricted in discipline that they don't have boundaries at school, so they don't respect boundaries anywhere else.

Punish them on an individual and incidental basis. Most teenagers are just not this stupid, and it's ridiculous to put the restriction on everyone for a couple idiot kids' bad behaviour.
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July 13th, 2008, 09:42 PM
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They did that with one of our malls here. The Aurora Mall (or Town Center of Aurora I think is what they call it now) was notorious for kids hanging out there, and it was also known for violence. Three years ago a woman was shot and killed in the mall and her boyfriend and another person were injured. http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news...74/detail.html And that's not the first time it's happened either. After that incident and a few others involving teens, they made it a rule that teens on Friday and Saturday were not allowed in the mall without a parent or guardian who were over the age of 18.

I honestly don't know if I agree with it or not. When I was a teen I would go to the mall all the time just to hang out... but we wouldn't cause trouble at all. I can see both sides, but I just don't know....
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July 13th, 2008, 11:21 PM
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They've had that for a while at the Walden Galleria mall in Buffalo. I went down there shopping I think two years ago and saw signs, and I was baffled as to how bad it could possibly be that that's really necessary. where I live there's pretty much nothing to do if you're a teen but go to the mall. There's a movie theatre in there too, which is open later than the mall, so to close the mall to teens after 5PM would never work.

About 1/2 hour away from where I live is a huge mall that has had a few problems with teens, but still hasn't put anything like this. Actually I think there was like one riot there about 3 years ago.

I guess I'm on the fence about it, because if it really is that bad I can understand why they'd do that, it just seems so bizarre to me that it would ever be THAT bad. It's just a mall.

Our malls pretty much all close at 6PM on Saturdays anyway.
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July 14th, 2008, 08:54 AM
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If a mall really has that much trouble on a consistent basis, then it's a good thing to try. It sucks that it affects the well-behaved kids, but there are a lot of laws that fall into that category. I think that if there's a movie theater at the mall, though, they should exempt that area from the curfew and make sure the rest of the mall is cordoned off.

Most of my teenage mallratting was done on weekend afternoons though, not in the evenings. The mall closed at 9pm (and most malls still do, I think) and our curfews were definitely later - heck, half the time I didn't even LEAVE the house until close to 9pm! It was pointless to hang out at a place when we'd have to go somewhere else so quickly after we arrived.
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July 14th, 2008, 02:27 PM
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I think it's stupid. That means if you are 16 or 17 & have a driver's licence, your mom has to take you to the mall.
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July 15th, 2008, 05:10 PM
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I disagree. 100%.

I wasn't allowed to hang out at the mall on a Friday or a Saturday night... EVER. My mom kept my butt home.

However, I turned 18 six weeks into my senior year. I could drive, mom didn't see the point in running me to the mall to get a pair of jeans for school, I got sent with the car. I'd never have gotten any new clothes if I hadn't been able to go myself, because she'd want to pick them out for me (since she paid) and that's wasn't ok with me.

If kids are causing trouble, bracelet the ones under 18 and tell them they have to stay in certain areas of the mall if they're in a group larger than X amount of people. I'd have worn a bracelet no problem. However, the largest group you'd ever had seen me in was probably 5.

Or better yet, no loitering at the mall. If you're not browsing the stores, then get out.
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July 15th, 2008, 06:50 PM
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I would never drop a child off at a mall. When they are 16 and have a car they will be allowed to go certain distances but have a curfew. I am sooooo getting the GPS that tracks them. I am LOVING technology these days.
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i think that is a very good idea..nothing worse then trying to go shopping and have a bunch of little hoodlums stand around in the way.
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Although it does punish teens that don't cause trouble, I have to say I agree.

There was a similar rule at a local mall when I was a teen, and I actually liked it. There was a huge problem with unruly teens starting fights and stealing and such, it was a much more pleasant place after they instated the rule.


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July 17th, 2008, 06:39 AM
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I disagree. 100%.

I wasn't allowed to hang out at the mall on a Friday or a Saturday night... EVER. My mom kept my butt home.

However, I turned 18 six weeks into my senior year. I could drive, mom didn't see the point in running me to the mall to get a pair of jeans for school, I got sent with the car. I'd never have gotten any new clothes if I hadn't been able to go myself, because she'd want to pick them out for me (since she paid) and that's wasn't ok with me.

If kids are causing trouble, bracelet the ones under 18 and tell them they have to stay in certain areas of the mall if they're in a group larger than X amount of people. I'd have worn a bracelet no problem. However, the largest group you'd ever had seen me in was probably 5.

Or better yet, no loitering at the mall. If you're not browsing the stores, then get out.[/b]
The 18 year olds are allowed to go alone. It's just anyone who is UNDER the age of 18 that must be accompanied by someone who is 21 or older.

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I would never drop a child off at a mall. When they are 16 and have a car they will be allowed to go certain distances but have a curfew. I am sooooo getting the GPS that tracks them. I am LOVING technology these days.[/b]
That's the biggest problem is that parents just drop their kids off and leave them there unattended for hours. They expect the mall to babysit their children. Oh and those kiddie GPS things sound awesome.


The local news says that the first weekend of the rule went well. Teens seems to have boycotted the mall for the weekend and businesses didn't see much of a change in revenue. The teens weren't buying much at the stores. The only places that took a bit of a hit were the food places.
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July 17th, 2008, 08:53 AM
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I actually think this is a great idea!
As a mommy I hate going to the mall on the weekends as it is because of the crowds and the teens that walk/run around with no regard to someone pushing a stroller or older people who dont move quite as fast.
When I was a teen, my girlfriends and I also went to the mall in the early afternoon or late morning. We would get lunch and browse or shop, then go home. We didnt just sit around and hang out...if we were gonna do that we'd do it at home where we werent tempted to spend money we might not have. LOL. I hated going to the mall in the evenings then because that's when all the rowdy kids seemed to come out and problems were more likely to happen. And now I wont go to the mall in the evening for the same reason, only now I have to be concerned about DS as well.

Sure the "good kids" might suffer for the "bad kids"....but most likely the good kids are the ones going earlier in the day anyway. And as for the little girl in the article that said its "not fair"....well suck it up buttercup! Life isnt fair and you shouldnt have to wait until your 18 to figure that out. It might not be "cool" to go to the mall with your mom, but if your that worried about it then go before 5pm and you wont have to drag her along. Besides, if you just HAVE to buy something, there isnt a reason you can't go before 5pm to get it. There are plenty of daylight hours to get your shopping done before 5pm and no reason why the teens cant go earlier. The ones that are probably the most concerned with it are most likely the ones causing the problems.



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