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  #1  
June 27th, 2006, 08:12 AM
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what do you guys think of the new anti smoking ban going on july 1? I think its really ridicoulous.I think its unfair that the casinos and (i belive there were a few others?) can still smoke, but bars and restuarants so on and so fourth can not. I dont belive its up to the government to decide where you can and can not smoke, I think it is up to the owner of the establishment.......... i dont know how much of a debate this is going to be........none the less i feel better
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June 27th, 2006, 08:22 AM
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I dont belive its up to the government to decide where you can and can not smoke, I think it is up to the owner of the establishment.......[/b]
You know I used to feel that way too.. I don't anymore because (well here anyway) it's the government's job to protect it's citizens. I think smoking is an addiction but the government has to try to combat it. I actually think it's worse they allow it in casinos because people who gamble and smoke.. addicition gone bad and waiting to destroy more.
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June 27th, 2006, 08:27 AM
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I am 110% FOR smoking bans. They protect customers and employees. Employers DO NOT have the right to subject their employees to hazardous conditions, and I personally believe that a cancer causing environment qualifies here.

Smoking in public enclosed places subjects innocent people to a habit that causes cancer, dirties the air and property, costs tons to clean each year, triggers asthma attacks and causes asthma....in short, the rights of a smoker STOP when they start affecting other people like this.

The rights of the businesses owner to run his business STOP when the environment of his business can cause harm to customers (think OSHA regulations- owners don't get away with those).
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June 27th, 2006, 08:29 AM
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You cant smoke anywhere in Ontario anymore at all. I think somethings are a bit extreme. Alot of coffee shops around here had special smoking areas totally cut off from the rest of the establishment and you cant even use those anymore! Most of the coffee shops will go out of business. If someone just wanted a coffeee they would go to tim hortons. And no smoking in Casino's! C'mon! Its not like gambling is good for you lol
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June 27th, 2006, 08:31 AM
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Yeah..our government has done a great job of protecting the citizens so far. I agree that it is up to the owner. If people don't want to be around the smoke, they can choose not to go into the clubs, restruants, etc. that allow smoking. It's that simple.
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June 27th, 2006, 08:34 AM
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Yeah..our government has done a great job of protecting the citizens so far. I agree that it is up to the owner. If people don't want to be around the smoke, they can choose not to go into the clubs, restruants, etc. that allow smoking. It's that simple.[/b]
I think its more about the employees then the customers.

I used to go play bingo and it was so smokey in there! sometimes your eyes would just be burning! You would feel so disgusting when you got back outside. Now imagine working an 8 hour shift in there!
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June 27th, 2006, 08:38 AM
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Yeah..our government has done a great job of protecting the citizens so far. I agree that it is up to the owner. If people don't want to be around the smoke, they can choose not to go into the clubs, restruants, etc. that allow smoking. It's that simple.[/b]
I think its more about the employees then the customers.

I used to go play bingo and it was so smokey in there! sometimes your eyes would just be burning! You would feel so disgusting when you got back outside. Now imagine working an 8 hour shift in there!
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Well, if they don't want to be around the smoke they don't need to take a job where smoking is allowed.
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June 27th, 2006, 08:41 AM
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I dont think that would be fair. Alot of places would keep smoking because it brings in business. I am sure there would be very few non-smoking places if it were upto the owner.
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June 27th, 2006, 08:43 AM
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Well, if you don't want a job that spreads disease, don't get a job at a place with toliets not up to code.

If you don't want a job where you can develope mesothelioma, don't work at a place that insulates with abestos.


THe logic doesn't really work. Employers are responsible for working conditions.
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June 27th, 2006, 08:49 AM
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Yeah..our government has done a great job of protecting the citizens so far. I agree that it is up to the owner. If people don't want to be around the smoke, they can choose not to go into the clubs, restruants, etc. that allow smoking. It's that simple.[/b]

Wait, I have to stay home and watch a dvd because I don't want to smell like a walking cigarette if I go to a club, bar, casino...? I don't think so. If you choose to smoke you can go outside and do it. I don't smoke, I don't need to breathe it in.

The casino's in atlantic city have complete no smoking sections and it is awesome.
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June 27th, 2006, 08:56 AM
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Well, if you don't want a job that spreads disease, don't get a job at a place with toliets not up to code.

If you don't want a job where you can develope mesothelioma, don't work at a place that insulates with abestos.


THe logic doesn't really work. Employers are responsible for working conditions.[/b]

I agree. Why should others have the right to give me lung cancer....why do I have to go somewhere else?

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If people don't want to be around the smoke, they can choose not to go into the clubs, restruants, etc. that allow smoking. It's that simple.[/b]
I think that's a very selfish thing to say. I can't believe NOT giving a d*mn about the people around you. Isabellamom is right. If it's the responsibility of the owner to stay up to code on working conditions, how does the threat of cancer, emphysema, and many other problems not fit in there?

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Yeah..our government has done a great job of protecting the citizens so far. I agree that it is up to the owner. If people don't want to be around the smoke, they can choose not to go into the clubs, restruants, etc. that allow smoking. It's that simple.[/b]

Wait, I have to stay home and watch a dvd because I don't want to smell like a walking cigarette if I go to a club, bar, casino...? I don't think so. If you choose to smoke you can go outside and do it. I don't smoke, I don't need to breathe it in.

The casino's in atlantic city have complete no smoking sections and it is awesome.
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I can't remember the last time I went in to a restaurant or other similar place and there was a "smoking" section.
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June 27th, 2006, 09:00 AM
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It was banned in 1986, but more and more places are being added to the tort for not taking care of the problem in their establishments. I think we are up to like 8,000 establishments in the tort alone or some crazy number like that.
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June 27th, 2006, 09:01 AM
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Well, if you don't want a job that spreads disease, don't get a job at a place with toliets not up to code.

If you don't want a job where you can develope mesothelioma, don't work at a place that insulates with abestos.


THe logic doesn't really work. Employers are responsible for working conditions.[/b]

Where are they insulating with asbestos?
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I'm sure there are plenty of older buildings that still have it.
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June 27th, 2006, 09:07 AM
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I think it is a GREAT idea! I took my family to the zoo this past weekend. We spent $65 to get in. We had to leave in 1/2 hour because when I was standing watching the lions with my son 4 people lit up cigerettes around me and I didn't know it until I was in a full blow attack. I am pregnant, didn't even think to bring an enhaler, because who in their right mind would think that there would be smoking at a zoo where there are TONS of kids!!!

I got so dizzy from not being able to breathe that I blacked out for a few seconds, and had to get a ride back to my car where I blasted the air. My husband was going to take me to the hospital but luckily I could breathe enough where I just made it home to get my meds (every ER trip costs us about $1000 even with insurance!)

It is NOT right for those people to have ruined my day, and they could have killed me or my child!

There was ONE area in the zoo where it was no smoking, because it was deemed an area for kids. Good Greif!!!!!!!!! I couldn't get into that area because 10 people were covering the entrances frantically puffing away at their cigerettes! WHAT SELFISH IDIOTS!!!! When I got home, and got better, I just cried that this special trip was ruined for us because of peoples right to harm others!!! I haven't gone to Great America in years either, I can't too many people smoke, and I wound up in the hospital last time I was stupid enough to go there! There should be NO SMOKING in all public places, because of their rights to kill themselves, I have to be at risk of dying of suffocating?

My sister and mother smoke. But they didn't light up once at the zoo, they know how sick it makes me, and how they affect other people. They are totally for smoking bans too, they know how darned sick it makes me, and how it could cost me my life someday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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June 27th, 2006, 09:08 AM
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Yeah, I was just using it as an example of why owners are esponsible for working conditions; if we didn't regulate working conditions, they could insulate with disease causing materials, not have bathrooms up to code...they don't get free reign.



This just came out today about how separate smokefree areas "just don't cut it"..from the surgeon general:
Surgeon General Warns Of Secondhand Smoke
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June 27th, 2006, 09:12 AM
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I think it is a GREAT idea! I took my family to the zoo this past weekend. We spent $65 to get in. We had to leave in 1/2 hour because when I was standing watching the lions with my son 4 people lit up cigerettes around me and I didn't know it until I was in a full blow attack. I am pregnant, didn't even think to bring an enhaler, because who in their right mind would think that there would be smoking at a zoo where there are TONS of kids!!!

I got so dizzy from not being able to breathe that I blacked out for a few seconds, and had to get a ride back to my car where I blasted the air. My husband was going to take me to the hospital but luckily I could breathe enough where I just made it home to get my meds (every ER trip costs us about $1000 even with insurance!)

It is NOT right for those people to have ruined my day, and they could have killed me or my child!

There was ONE area in the zoo where it was no smoking, because it was deemed an area for kids. Good Greif!!!!!!!!!

My sister and mother smoke. But they didn't light up once at the zoo, they know how sick it makes me, and how they affect other people. They are totally for smoking bans too, they know how ###### sick it makes me, and how it could cost me my life someday!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/b]
Melissa, I'm sorry you had to go through that. Coming from an ex-smoker, I don't think that smokers always realize how much their habit affects those around them, or how dangerous it can be for people like you. dh's cousin was over this weekend and he smokes, he goes outside maybe 2-3 times in a 4 hour period here. I had forgotten how bad it smelled until he was over here Saturday. I couldn't even sit next to him. I had no idea that I used to smell like that
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June 27th, 2006, 09:16 AM
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What about what is fair for the smokers? If you don't want to be around alcohol, don't go to a place that serves it or get a job as a bartender. If you don't want to be around half dressed women, don't get a job at a strip club or don't go to one for drinks. If you don't want to be around smoke, don't go to a place that allows smoking or get a job at a place that allows smoking. It's really simple.
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June 27th, 2006, 09:19 AM
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What about what is fair for the smokers? If you don't want to be around alcohol, don't go to a place that serves it or get a job as a bartender. If you don't want to be around half dressed women, don't get a job at a strip club or don't go to one for drinks. If you don't want to be around smoke, don't go to a place that allows smoking or get a job at a place that allows smoking. It's really simple.[/b]

EVERYWHERE allows smoking here. So I can't leave my house? I can't go to restaurants at all, or bars (I have NEVER EVER been to one because of smoking), I can't go to Great America, or the State Fairs, or EVEN THE FRICKING ZOO!!!!!

All of those places allow smoking...

so because you want to smoke, my children can never go to the zoo with me??????????????
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