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July 10th, 2006, 08:38 PM
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I am against tummy sleeping with all the studies that say it seems to have the highest instance of sids(I am of course referring to before a baby can roll) and yet, I am not very pro back sleeping either. My son has a mishapen head due to sleeping on his back. In Utero he was extremely squished due to my malformed uterus(bicornuate uterus WITH a septum-yes BOTH coditions were confrimed when I had my son via c-section and the doc examined my uterus). Essentialy he only had half a uterus to grow in, plus he was breech, so he developed a problem where his neck muslces were weaker on one side because he was unable to turn that way in the womb. Consequently laying him on his back, he always turned his head in the same direction(this happens to mothers with completely regular wombs as well). His head flattened on this side and we have spent the last 7 months trying to naturally correct this with neck exercises and constantly trying to make him face the opposite direction when on his back. His head has improved alot but we will soon be meeting with a specialist to discuss the possibility of having him wear a helmet shou;d his case be deemed severe enough(here in Quebec they dont give the helmet till 9 months). My doctor says he has a very mild case, that it has improved alot, but many babies have severe cases that cause the eyes and ears and entire face to be misaligned. This also occurs with tummy and side sleepers, but I have been told its about 5 times more likely with back sleepers. Furthermore, my son is STILL not crawling. I asked my doc about this and she said I dont need to worry. That ever since the back to sleep campaign came out, they are seeing alot more babies not crawling till 9-10 months or simply not crawling at all and going to walking because many of them end up hating tummy time. With what has happened to my son, and worrying about getting a helmet vs leaving him with a partially mishapen head, this has been alot of stress, and I just know that if I ever have another baby, I will not lay them on their back to sleep. What do you all think about he back to sleep campaign? I will NEVER lay a baby on their tummy to sleep, but I will try side next time. I would love to hear your thoughts on sleep positions and to see a good debate over this. I want to hear your thoughts on tummy sleep, do you think its ok, have you done it"? What about side? Do you know anyone who lost a baby due to sids and if so, what position did they sleep their babies in? I would like to see a good debate here with anectodal evidence AND studies. It may affect my decision with my next(not yet conceived). thanks ladies.
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July 10th, 2006, 08:58 PM
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Both of my children have slept on their tummies. Studies on SIDS are inconsistent at best, which is why the information and suggestions are constantly changing (JMO). I did co-sleep in the beginning, tummy to tummy, with both (much easier with BFing), and so they weren't sleeping alone on their tummies until they had head control. Aside from the fact that neither of my children would sleep on their backs (they would wake up when I tried to lie them down), I worried about the possibility of them spitting up and aspirating it.

OT-I have a bicorneute uterus with a septum as well, the main reason I have not been able to (and am told will probably never be able to) carry to term.

edit because chlodoll pointed out my mistake, I meant inconsistent--not inconclusive. (sorry-thanx Chodoll!)
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July 10th, 2006, 08:58 PM
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Does he have torticollis? My son did too. We did the back to sleep as much as possible, but the way I worked on his neck muscles was to aggressively reposition during nursing, so I was always encouraging him to turn his head the opposite position he favored at every feeding. That helped a lot. I think that parents putting their babies on their backs to sleep really have to be encouraged more to give babies lots of tummy time, and I think they should probably spend much less time on their backs during awake time during the day. He had a bit of plagio too, but it was very mild and didn't need any intervention, you can't tell at all now. I think the back to sleep campaign is great, but it needs to go hand and hand with education about plagiocephaly and how to prevent it.
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July 10th, 2006, 09:35 PM
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I think the back to sleep campaign is great, but it needs to go hand and hand with education about plagiocephaly and how to prevent it.[/b]
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I had this problem with my oldest. He broke his collar bone when he was born so he had to lay one way for about a month and after that he really favored that side. His head was flatter than a pancake (so my mom said) donít worry though, it goes back to normal.

I rotated my other 2 from side positions to back (Never tummy for night time sleep until they were old enough to do it themselves) and it worked out fine. No flat heads after that. Plus lotís of tummy time during the day helps.

I know itís hard not to worry but I think most of them grow into a normal head. I bet yours will have a cute little head to match his cute little face soon enough. hope his little neck muscles are getting a good work out! (I just love his picture)
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July 10th, 2006, 09:47 PM
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Well I dont know how inconclusive back to sleep is. In Canada when they introduced it more then 2000 less babies died of SIDS per year. Isaiah only sleeps on his back or side. His head is fine. His developmental specialist (who is a real b itch) told me she thought it head was narrow (which it is) but his Dad has a weird head to lol And his regular Doctor said she thought it looked perfect. There are certain predispostions that make your baby more like to die from SIDS (low birth weight, preemie, respritory issues, being male vs female, maternal smoking. Isaiah has a few of these dispositions so I dont put him on his tummy to sleep. Plus he hates it anyway.
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July 10th, 2006, 09:59 PM
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I think the back to sleep campaign is great, but it needs to go hand and hand with education about plagiocephaly and how to prevent it.[/b]
At my hospital they give you pamphlets on Back to Sleep and on how to prevent flat heads. I never even knew about babies getting flat heads till they gave me the pamphlet. For the first few weeks I was so freaked out I wasnt switching his head enough!

And about crawling, why does it matter if babies dont crawl till 10 months? Babies are supposed to sit unsupported by about 8 months so crawling at 10 sounds pretty normal to me. And personally I think them not crawling to early is good! The longer they arent getting into everything the better lol
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July 11th, 2006, 04:49 AM
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I can't argue with the 40% drop in SIDS since back to sleep came about (even if 20% of those were for other reasons...or even 30%! that's still a drop due to the back sleeping). We did lots of tummy time during the day and lots of babywearing (down with carseats all day!! ), so we didn't have a flathead problem.
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July 11th, 2006, 05:00 AM
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I have no problems with tummy sleeping. Now when he was grand spanking new I would lay him on his side. When he was a little over a month old and he could move his head from side to side he went on his belly and he slept so much better! Now for the most part he sleeps on his side.
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July 11th, 2006, 05:04 AM
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I've been debating this myself. Yesterday, the only way Hailey would fall asleep was on her tummy, on the bed next to me. I've had the "back to sleep, tummy to play" ingranded into my head due to school/work. But what are you supposed to do, when the baby is totally exhausted and thats the only way they'll go to sleep and stay asleep?
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July 11th, 2006, 05:12 AM
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Well, there are other ways found to decrease SIDS rates. If my child wouldn't back sleep, I would probably concentrate on the other things that have been found to decrease it such as have them sleep in a crib in my room (we cosleep on a hard mattress but this isnt for everyone), not be near any smoke, breastfeed, and focus on back sleeping if they ever have a respitory illness.
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July 11th, 2006, 09:01 AM
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We plan on putting our daughter to sleep on her back or side. I am just too paranoid with all the SIDS studies to put her to sleep on her stomach. My doctor also told me that once she's born to try to keep her more on her stomach during waking hours instead of on her back to even out her head if need be.
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July 11th, 2006, 09:11 AM
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Brody is a back sleeper. I would put him on his belly for naps only (when he actually liked being on his belly...he hates it now) and only when I was in the room. I generally would turn his head to the side and put his paci in his mouth...he never moved. But I wouldn't leave the room with him on his tummy. His head is perfectly round!
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July 11th, 2006, 10:53 AM
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I used a sleep positioner that kept her on her side. I was too paranoid about tummy and back sleeping.

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I've been debating this myself. Yesterday, the only way Hailey would fall asleep was on her tummy, on the bed next to me. I've had the "back to sleep, tummy to play" ingranded into my head due to school/work. But what are you supposed to do, when the baby is totally exhausted and thats the only way they'll go to sleep and stay asleep?[/b]
When we had nights like that, I would let he fall asleep on her tummy and then come back in after a few minutes when she was in a deeper sleep and turn her over.
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July 11th, 2006, 11:30 AM
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As an infant I always laid DS to sleep on his side and we used a sleep positioner or rolled blankets on either side of his waist. Once he could fully lift his head and roll he slept however he wanted of course. Like someone else mentioned, I made sure he had daily awake tummy time as well as back time. We did play time on an activity mat about every three hours. 10-15min on back & then the same on belly.
He's 11mths now and he honestly has no real preference as to how he sleeps. You'll usually always find him in a different position (he's a busy sleeper like Mommy)
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July 11th, 2006, 12:03 PM
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I think the back to sleep campaign is great, but it needs to go hand and hand with education about plagiocephaly and how to prevent it.[/b]
At my hospital they give you pamphlets on Back to Sleep and on how to prevent flat heads. I never even knew about babies getting flat heads till they gave me the pamphlet. For the first few weeks I was so freaked out I wasnt switching his head enough!

And about crawling, why does it matter if babies dont crawl till 10 months? Babies are supposed to sit unsupported by about 8 months so crawling at 10 sounds pretty normal to me. And personally I think them not crawling to early is good! The longer they arent getting into everything the better lol
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July 11th, 2006, 12:05 PM
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Walking whats that? Jay is 13 months old and not walking yet.
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July 11th, 2006, 05:31 PM
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Aside from the fact that neither of my children would sleep on their backs (they would wake up when I tried to lie them down), I worried about the possibility of them spitting up and aspirating it.[/b]
I dont know if this is true, I havent found anything on the internet to support it but I suppose I havent looked very hard, but the doctor who released me and Cohen from the hospital, said that there is actually more chance of them choking on spit up when placed on their tummy because of the angle of the trachea. I didnt really understand it. I did find this article though:

There is concern that infants may choke if they are put to sleep on their back. Research has shown that the back sleeping position does not increase the risk of choking. Data from countries where back sleeping has always been the norm support this observation. Choking has not emerged as a problem in countries where there has been a change from tummy to back sleeping. There are a few rare conditions present at birth where sleeping on the back is inappropriate. Examples include the Pierre Robin Syndrome and other airway abnormalities. The infant's doctor should advise parents if sleeping on its back is inappropriate.

http://www.cich.ca/News/news_Oct30A_01.html (its a bit old, from 2001).


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Does he have torticollis? My son did too. We did the back to sleep as much as possible, but the way I worked on his neck muscles was to aggressively reposition during nursing, so I was always encouraging him to turn his head the opposite position he favored at every feeding. That helped a lot. I think that parents putting their babies on their backs to sleep really have to be encouraged more to give babies lots of tummy time, and I think they should probably spend much less time on their backs during awake time during the day. He had a bit of plagio too, but it was very mild and didn't need any intervention, you can't tell at all now. I think the back to sleep campaign is great, but it needs to go hand and hand with education about plagiocephaly and how to prevent it.[/b]
I think he DID have a bad case of torticollis but I went to an osteopath recently so that she could examine and possible correct his neck muscles as per my docs instructions and the osteopath said it wasnt too bad, which is great news. The good thing is that now that he is rolling all over, he often sleeps on his tummy which is good for his head, but when he does sleep on his back, he often sleeps on the flat spot simply becuase thats more comfortable.

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I think the back to sleep campaign is great, but it needs to go hand and hand with education about plagiocephaly and how to prevent it.[/b]
ITA

I had this problem with my oldest. He broke his collar bone when he was born so he had to lay one way for about a month and after that he really favored that side. His head was flatter than a pancake (so my mom said) donít worry though, it goes back to normal.

I rotated my other 2 from side positions to back (Never tummy for night time sleep until they were old enough to do it themselves) and it worked out fine. No flat heads after that. Plus lotís of tummy time during the day helps.

I know itís hard not to worry but I think most of them grow into a normal head. I bet yours will have a cute little head to match his cute little face soon enough. hope his little neck muscles are getting a good work out! (I just love his picture)
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I totally agree that ppl should be more educated about plagio, all they did at my hospital was give us a small pamphlet and it had drawings of babies with flat heads, and all it inscructed us to do was to turn the direction of the crib every night because babies will always turn their heads towards noise. It still freaked me out though and I tried really hard to change the direction he faced all the time but as soon as I would look away he had already put his head back where it was.
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I am a bit surprised to not see more mommies of tummy sleepers posting. Cmon I know you are out there I was really naive before I found this board and just assumed that everyone laid their babies to sleep on their backs, and the day I found this board I was shocked to see that most of the ppl in one of the playrooms were sleeping their babies on their tummies... a thread of course that ended up being closed I believe as it turned into quite a debate. Cmon ladies, I wanna hear from you!
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Aside from the fact that neither of my children would sleep on their backs (they would wake up when I tried to lie them down), I worried about the possibility of them spitting up and aspirating it.[/b]
I dont know if this is true, I havent found anything on the internet to support it but I suppose I havent looked very hard, but the doctor who released me and Cohen from the hospital, said that there is actually more chance of them choking on spit up when placed on their tummy because of the angle of the trachea. I didnt really understand it. I did find this article though:

There is concern that infants may choke if they are put to sleep on their back. Research has shown that the back sleeping position does not increase the risk of choking. Data from countries where back sleeping has always been the norm support this observation. Choking has not emerged as a problem in countries where there has been a change from tummy to back sleeping. There are a few rare conditions present at birth where sleeping on the back is inappropriate. Examples include the Pierre Robin Syndrome and other airway abnormalities. The infant's doctor should advise parents if sleeping on its back is inappropriate.

http://www.cich.ca/News/news_Oct30A_01.html (its a bit old, from 2001).


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Does he have torticollis? My son did too. We did the back to sleep as much as possible, but the way I worked on his neck muscles was to aggressively reposition during nursing, so I was always encouraging him to turn his head the opposite position he favored at every feeding. That helped a lot. I think that parents putting their babies on their backs to sleep really have to be encouraged more to give babies lots of tummy time, and I think they should probably spend much less time on their backs during awake time during the day. He had a bit of plagio too, but it was very mild and didn't need any intervention, you can't tell at all now. I think the back to sleep campaign is great, but it needs to go hand and hand with education about plagiocephaly and how to prevent it.[/b]
I think he DID have a bad case of torticollis but I went to an osteopath recently so that she could examine and possible correct his neck muscles as per my docs instructions and the osteopath said it wasnt too bad, which is great news. The good thing is that now that he is rolling all over, he often sleeps on his tummy which is good for his head, but when he does sleep on his back, he often sleeps on the flat spot simply becuase thats more comfortable.

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I think the back to sleep campaign is great, but it needs to go hand and hand with education about plagiocephaly and how to prevent it.[/b]
ITA

I had this problem with my oldest. He broke his collar bone when he was born so he had to lay one way for about a month and after that he really favored that side. His head was flatter than a pancake (so my mom said) donít worry though, it goes back to normal.

I rotated my other 2 from side positions to back (Never tummy for night time sleep until they were old enough to do it themselves) and it worked out fine. No flat heads after that. Plus lotís of tummy time during the day helps.

I know itís hard not to worry but I think most of them grow into a normal head. I bet yours will have a cute little head to match his cute little face soon enough. hope his little neck muscles are getting a good work out! (I just love his picture)
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Thanks

I totally agree that ppl should be more educated about plagio, all they did at my hospital was give us a small pamphlet and it had drawings of babies with flat heads, and all it inscructed us to do was to turn the direction of the crib every night because babies will always turn their heads towards noise. It still freaked me out though and I tried really hard to change the direction he faced all the time but as soon as I would look away he had already put his head back where it was.
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I am a bit surprised to not see more mommies of tummy sleepers posting. Cmon I know you are out there I was really naive before I found this board and just assumed that everyone laid their babies to sleep on their backs, and the day I found this board I was shocked to see that most of the ppl in one of the playrooms were sleeping their babies on their tummies... a thread of course that ended up being closed I believe as it turned into quite a debate. Cmon ladies, I wanna hear from you!
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HaHa they are probaly afraid to say anything. I honestly however do not care what anyone thinks.
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July 12th, 2006, 07:19 AM
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This was a huge source of stress for me early on--Troy WOULD NOT sleep on his back in his crib. For a week, I let him sleep in his Papasan chair (which still caused me stress), just so he would sleep. He wouldn't nap but for 20-30 minutes at 2 and 3 weeks old. I was beside myself. Everyone kept saying "You're letting him get overtired"--WHAT! I tried everything I could and then finally one day, my DH came home and I just said "Here, you put him down for a nap" Well, 3 hours later, Troy was still sleeping. DH had put him on his tummy. I was a stress ball for weeks because it was the only way he would sleep and all the research had made me just KNOW that he would die of SIDS although we were a non smoking house, the temp was right, there was nothing else in his crib... Now that he can roll over, he will sleep on his side some and his back a little--hardly ever. He loves his tummy and has since he was born. Believe me, I tried to do the back and side sleep, but it just wasn't happening.
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July 12th, 2006, 09:57 AM
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We put our daughter on her back or side in a sleep positioner until she was able to roll over both ways easily(around 2 1/2 to 3 months old).. Now she sleeps without the sleep positioner however she wants too.. Most of the time it is on her tummy.. Im not worried about it one bit.. If she was not able to turn over as easy as she can I would be more cautious..
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