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  #2  
July 11th, 2006, 06:19 PM
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One thing I do not understand is why parents would circ just because they think uncirced penises are gross.Is it really proper to carve one's own personal preferences into the flesh of their children? It think it disregards the child.I am not talking about parents who researched all the pros and cons and decided to circ because they thought it would be best for the child.I am only talking about those who circed just because THEY thought it looked better and never even bothered to research the pros and cons.I consider that irresponsible and selfish.Do you agree?[/b]
Its very selfish and more than a little creepy for their parents to imprint their sexual preferences regarding the appearances of genitals on their children, male or female.
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July 11th, 2006, 09:15 PM
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I don't really understand this either so I'm glad you posted. My dh isn't circed and he says he was never teased or anything. And franky I was not turned off by him if you know what I mean. Actually I have never been with a man or have seen a penis that is circed. Sorry if that is TMI
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July 11th, 2006, 09:16 PM
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I don't really understand this either so I'm glad you posted. My dh isn't circed and he says he was never teased or anything. And franky I was not turned off by him if you know what I mean. Actually I have never been with a man or have seen a penis that is circed. Sorry if that is TMI Except in pics..
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July 12th, 2006, 03:41 AM
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Yes it is.

Sadly it is legal to do that, why the parent's rights override the person's is utterly beyond me.
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July 12th, 2006, 07:10 AM
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One thing I do not understand is why parents would circ just because they think uncirced penises are gross.Is it really proper to carve one's own personal preferences into the flesh of their children? It think it disregards the child.I am not talking about parents who researched all the pros and cons and decided to circ because they thought it would be best for the child.I am only talking about those who circed just because THEY thought it looked better and never even bothered to research the pros and cons.I consider that irresponsible and selfish.Do you agree?[/b]
I agree completely. I imagine the following scenario, where parents are enthralled with their brand new baby boy:

Mom: Isn't he gorgeous? Look at all that dark hair!
Dad: Let's check him out ... yep, he's got 10 beautiful little fingers and 10 beautiful little toes. How can they be so tiny? And he has my ears!
Mom: His little arms and legs seem so skinny - how could he have kicked me so hard?
Dad: Wait a minute - look at his penis! Oh, that's DISGUSTING!
Mom: Cover it up - QUICK! Oh, man, we're going to have to have THAT fixed right away - NURSE!!!

Hours later, baby is back from his circumcision. Mom and Dad examine the raw, swollen wound.
Dad: That is SO much better!
Mom: Now we have a normal baby - not an anteater!
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July 12th, 2006, 08:29 AM
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I agree completely. I imagine the following scenario, where parents are enthralled with their brand new baby boy:

Mom: Isn't he gorgeous? Look at all that dark hair!
Dad: Let's check him out ... yep, he's got 10 beautiful little fingers and 10 beautiful little toes. How can they be so tiny? And he has my ears!
Mom: His little arms and legs seem so skinny - how could he have kicked me so hard?
Dad: Wait a minute - look at his penis! Oh, that's DISGUSTING!
Mom: Cover it up - QUICK! Oh, man, we're going to have to have THAT fixed right away - NURSE!!!

Hours later, baby is back from his circumcision. Mom and Dad examine the raw, swollen wound.
Dad: That is SO much better!
Mom: Now we have a normal baby - not an anteater![/b]
I am normally a highly empathatic fellow but...

I have immense difficulties comprehending the mindset of someone who would take a look at their child, naked and fresh from the womb and say "Oh he's perfect! Well...He will be once we get that part of his penis sliced off..."

*shakes head*
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July 12th, 2006, 10:55 AM
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I have immense difficulties comprehending the mindset of someone who would take a look at their child, naked and fresh from the womb and say "Oh he's perfect! Well...He will be once we get that part of his penis sliced off..."

*shakes head*[/b]
here are some more difficulties..

http://www.eskimo.com/~gburlin/mgm/hampton1.html

It is clear that no baby in history, female or male has ever consented to their circumcision. "Informed consent" is a meaningless term for them. And by their screams they tell us as eloquently as they can to stop it.

Some people have trouble with "ethics", beyond what they learn in Sunday school. But most people can recognize certain values when they hear them. Let's look at some in a special way that highlights what psychologists call "cognitive dissonance" -- when the mind and reality do not match up -- as they relate to circumcision. Nearly everybody will be able to relate to the ethical principles below, while understanding what happens in real life that violates the principles:

1. "We hope our baby doesn't have any birth defects."

except for aposthia (lack of foreskin) which we would sort of like.

2. "We'd never submit our baby to a surgical procedure without a diagnosis."

except for circumcision, which doctors let us decide about.

3. "It is not OK to hurt babies."

except when they 'have to be' circumcised.

4. "We'd never unnecessarily place our baby at risk of infection or injury."

except to get him circumcised.

5. "We'd never permit healthy tissue to be removed from our baby."

unless it is his foreskin.

6. "It is our job to protect our baby from pain."

except from his circumcision.

7. "We must aid and comfort our baby when he is injured."

except during his circumcision which we'll pretend doesn't hurt.

8. "We'd never take the easy way out of caring for our baby."

unless it is a boy. Then we'll have his penis altered so we won't have to take care of the great unknown: foreskin.

9. "We'd never allow anything to impair our baby's bonding with his mother."

except for the pain of circumcision.

10."We want our baby to grow up happy with his body."

but we'll jeopardize his self-esteem by cutting the center of his male body image: his penis.

11."We'd never let our child feel robbed of something if we could prevent it."

except for his foreskin which we hold to be worthless (and we don't care what he might think).

12."We'd never place our child at a disadvantage where he could be ridiculed."

except we'll alter his penis so it doesn't look like or function like the vast majority in the world.

13."We wouldn't want our baby to doubt our commitment to him."

but we'll let a stranger cut off his foreskin, and we'll let him grow up knowing that we couldn't or wouldn't protect him from this invasion of his body.

14."We'd never do anything to make our baby doubt our love."

except we'll have part of his body destroyed by circumcision.

15."We'd never do anything to our baby just because it was done to us."

except we'll circumcise him so he'll be just like his Daddy.

16."We don't hold with tribal markings just to make children feel part of a clan as they do in primitive cultures."

except we'll circumcise our boys in the (vain) hope that they'll all look alike in the locker room.

17."We would not compromise our baby just to bend to societal pressures."

except we'll circumcise him because the grandparents expect it, and what would the neighbors say?

18."We'd never impose our will on our child against his future wishes."

except we'll rush to circumcise him before he can even formulate his wishes.

19."We'd never compromise our baby's future happiness."

but we will remove an erogenous part of his body.

20."We'd never make an irreversible decision to alter our child's appearance in a way he might one day regret, such as tattooing."

unless it is to alter the appearance of his penis in a way -we- want.

21."We want our baby to grow up a -human- being."

but we'll teach him, by circumcising him, that human rights don't amount to much.

22."We'll love our baby in all his glory."

except for his foreskin which we'll have cut off and thrown in the trash.

23."God made our baby with love, care and wisdom."

except for his penis which needs to be 'fixed'.

24."We hold that all parts of our baby's body are sacred."

except for his foreskin which is ours to alter as we will.

25."It is wrong to deprive someone of a healthy part of their body."

unless it is the male foreskin.

26."We'd never allow anyone to harm or damage our child."

unless we ASK them to amputate his foreskin removing thousands of erogenous nerves.

And, if you live in North Africa, a girl's clitoris and labia minora.

As you can see, circumcision breaks a lot of "rules" and generally accepted principles. Let's stop breaking them. Ethics had better supersede "Big Medicine" or we are all in big big trouble. Without ethical prevention, nothing prevents the introduction of female circumcision or any other intrusive thing that comes along that looks like it might prevent disease.
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July 12th, 2006, 11:26 AM
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I have great respect for the people who come here and argue for or against circumcision without the LLD or the "ew gross, uncircumcised" reasoning. Those who circumcise after doing their research and coming to different conclusions than I (or, many major medical organizations and tons of other countries have come to) at least, in my eye, have their childs' best interests at heart (although I do believe they have concluded wrongly on the issue- at least their focus is on the child).

Those who circumcise for LLD or because of their own dislike of intact are another breed all together. And, what is thousands of times worse, I believe they are the majority in the USA. Looking at parenting sites, reading "mainstream" parenting mags, and talking to those around me has left me with mostly "I wanted him to look like his dad" or "I don't like the way they look" reasons.

Let's face the facts. In a country where many don't know who the president is, where nearly 30% think our population is over a billion (national geographic study), and where most think circumcision is what the world does....what else should we expect???



How do I reply when it comes to circumcision for looks? Simply put, most of the time I don't because my kids are usually with me and that's not a conversation I want them hearing. When I do get the chance to respond, I try to calmly point out all the benefits of intact, a reasoning of rights to the child, and the fact that most of the world is intact...in not so nice words
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