Log In Sign Up

Dad arrested for owning a toy gun

Forum: Heated Debates


Welcome to the JustMommies Message Boards.

We pride ourselves on having the friendliest and most welcoming forums for moms and moms to be! Please take a moment and register for free so you can be a part of our growing community of mothers. If you have any problems registering please drop an email to [email protected].

Our community is moderated by our moderation team so you won't see spam or offensive messages posted on our forums. Each of our message boards is hosted by JustMommies hosts, whose names are listed at the top each board. We hope you find our message boards friendly, helpful, and fun to be on!

Like Tree20Likes

Reply Post New Topic
  Subscribe To Heated Debates LinkBack Topic Tools Search this Topic Display Modes
February 27th, 2012, 06:41 PM
angelsailor288's Avatar Platinum Supermommy
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Kingston, NY
Posts: 5,057
Insanity. I dont see whats wrong with drawing a gun or liking guns or anything.

Drawing a picture of someone killing someone with a gun? Yeah, then I might call CPS.

Thank you jaidynsmum for my siggy!

Reply With Quote
February 27th, 2012, 07:01 PM
Poncho06's Avatar Mega Super Mommy
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,080
I honestly can't think of one scenario where calling the police and protective services would be warranted for a child drawing a picture of their parent holding a gun.

As far as I know the school wouldn't have reason to have knowledge of his arrest record nor if there are restrictions on his ability to own a weapon so it really has no bearing on their initial decision to call anyone. This situation NEVER should have gone anywhere based upon a drawing and statements alone.

He should sue and win. Having a random stranger look under his ball sack for absolutely no wrong doing on his part had to have been a horrific experience. Couple that with the embarrassment for not only him but his children as well for being arrested picking them up from school.
plan4fate, fluffycheeks and K.A.T like this.

Reply With Quote
February 27th, 2012, 09:50 PM
Frackel's Avatar DOh!
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: In my house :p
Posts: 1,288
Ok, I'd like to blame this on pain meds, but since I'm out, I can't.
How in the hell do you justify what the school did, as appropriate in ANY manner?
Based off what the SCHOOL said they did(mind you, those comments didn't come from the family, so, you can load that bs right back where it came from, not everything in those articles came from the father, or even the family-did you actually read them?). They asked the girl what it was and she, quite plainly, told them what it was. She didn't go into some detail about watching her daddy shoot monsters and bad guys. She didn't tell them about any incident at all that she actually witnessed her father shooting a gun. She did exactly what you'd expect most kids to do(especially at 4) and said what she drew, in as few words as possible.

How they got that the family, kids, whatever, were in some kind of danger, the father most definitely owned an illegal weapon, child protective services needed calling as did police, and the family needed to be split up, is beyond me. That's just...you know, I can't even describe it.

When ds was in kindergarten he drew a picture in the first week or so of school, about something that happened over summer vacation. What he drew was a picture of me, carrying watermelons(we'd just had a bonfire the week before at mom's...yadda, yadda..) to the tables from the garden, and he was showing me where to put them. When asked what it was, he described one of his favorite scenes from a movie he had just watched. I know, odd for a barely 5 yr old to say he was drawing a picture of baby with her melons, but, yanno....he's a kid, and he really wasn't paying much attention, he had the attention span of a grain of rice. Thankfully the teachers aren't complete morons. They knew exactly what he meant, except for the baby part-which I did explain(his teacher thought it was hilarious though, I still do, lol). They didn't realize he was describing a scene from dirty dancing-a movie he was watching before school that day. Sigh.

I suppose they COULD have overreacted and assumed he was talking about porn. The melons still had stem ends attached, they looked an awful lot like nipples, and the boobs were huge too, fetish perfect I'm guessing. The pic basically looked like me completely topless, with him next to me, grinning the biggest smile he's ever drawn, a small crowd of other people, all grinning too by what looked more like a stage than an actual set of tables. Could have been misconstrued in all kinds of ways. I suppose they could have thought I was exposing my child to porn-which is, of course, illegal.
Thankfully, despite what I may think of them at times, they do occasionally use that bump three feet above their ***, and it's contents.

I just don't understand for even a moment how anyone can justify any of the steps taken in this case. It really baffles me. How you can go from an innocent drawing of something a little girl probably looks up to her daddy for(scaring away the monsters and any potential bad guys) and turn it into such a circus, is just as unbelievable. I'm sure it's not the first time someone has overreacted like that, but it sure doesn't make it any easier to understand.
mindy scott likes this.
Reply With Quote
February 27th, 2012, 11:40 PM
MommaLexi's Avatar Adoptive and Foster Mommy
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: The Desert ;)
Posts: 587
Originally Posted by lesliek0211 View Post
I think that calling CAS and the police were over the top. They should have asked the dad and went from there. I tell London that I work with bad guys all the time and that we keep them in things like cages. She thinks I mean it's like a dog pen. I could totally see her going to school and saying mommy keeps bad guys in dog pens. Would they then think that I really put people in dog cages? Or that I put her in a cage when she's bad?
Being strip-searched is incredibly invasive and horrible, so I hope they sue and win, not to mention embarrassing. I hope they sue and win.
I don't care what his prior charge was from years ago. He paid his dues for that and should be able to move on from it.
I so want to be there when she tells someone "Mommy keeps bad people in cages." That would make my year to see those people's' faces!

FD ~ Squishy, 8mos old, Down Syndrome, Heart Disease (post open-heart surgery)
Reply With Quote
February 28th, 2012, 07:00 AM
*Leslie*'s Avatar Mega Super Mommy
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Ohio
Posts: 4,083
Send a message via AIM to *Leslie* Send a message via Yahoo to *Leslie*
Originally Posted by MommaLexi View Post
I so want to be there when she tells someone "Mommy keeps bad people in cages." That would make my year to see those people's' faces!
I know, right! I just hope the school has the common sense to ask me about it before they call people and I get strip searched. I don't want to be spreading my butt cheeks or holding up my under-boob for just anybody.
MommaLexi likes this.

<3 August 1st, 2013
<3 November 21st, 2013
<3 October, 19th 2014

Reply With Quote
February 28th, 2012, 07:21 AM
Tammyjh's Avatar Platinum Supermommy
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: North
Posts: 7,824
I guess the attitude I don't understand is this one
Jessie Sansone: Canadian man shocked by arrest after his daughter drew a picture of a gun at school | Mail Online
Alison Scott, executive director of Family and Children’s Services, told The Record: 'From a public safety point of view, any child drawing a picture of guns and saying there’s guns in a home would warrant some further conversation with the parents and child.'

Inspector Thaler added: 'We had every concern, based on this information, that children were in danger.'
So anyone who owns a gun should have their house searched? I have steak knives on my kitchen counter. Does that mean the police and CPS should be called?
Tammy, Mom to
Abby (19), Kacie (13), Chase (11), & Jacob (7)

"...They're supposed to make you miserable! That's why they're family!" ~ Bobby ~ Supernatural
Reply With Quote
February 28th, 2012, 10:14 AM
Frackel's Avatar DOh!
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: In my house :p
Posts: 1,288
They broke their own policy then. They didn't have a deeper conversation with either parent, or the child(or even the other children), before going all ape****.

Stupid people, I swear

My kids are outside right now playing with nerf guns, sticks, acorns and chalk(or at least they were about ten minutes ago when I checked on them, lol). I'm not real sure what they're playing, but it must be evil, and dangerous, I'm sure. Probably as bad as our nerf war this morning when they wouldn't leave me alone. Ds wanted to go outside at 6am, and I said no, he thought it warranted an attack and brought in reinforcements.
Reply With Quote

Topic Tools Search this Topic
Search this Topic:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:57 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0