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July 24th, 2006, 03:27 PM
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Is it okay to lie if it helps your cause? Is it okay to mislead people if it leads them to god or prevents them from having an abortion? Like fake abortion pictures or inspiration stories that you know are not true.

What about sites like AIG? Is it okay for them to twist actual science into something that fits their agenda? When I was a kid I had a pastor who told me a very inspirational story and I remembered even after I became an atheist. I learned that it was a lie about 2 weeks ago, when I was doing some research I ran into the same story, turns out it was kind of a Christian Urban Legend, and even now I was upset that he just flat out lied to me. But at the time that story did give me some kind of hope.

So is it okay to lie, if it furthers what you believe to be a good cause?
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July 24th, 2006, 03:52 PM
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So is it okay to lie, if it furthers what you believe to be a good cause?[/b]
In theory, no.. because something based on deceit is wrong.. I try hard to tell the truth but I know I've told white lies before.. I can't think of an example, but I'm sure the next posters will think of one..
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July 24th, 2006, 03:54 PM
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I dont think so because if its a lie than its not really helping you at all, its helping you believe in something more based on something false . I dont know if what came out right lol
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July 24th, 2006, 03:56 PM
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I generally think lying is wrong in almost every case, unless it prevents a greater wrong (something will happen that is worse than the lie itself).

If I had lived in 1930's Germany and the Nazis had come by looking for someone, I would of course say "No, I haven't seen them" even if they were hiding under the floorboards or in the attic. I mean, hey, I believe in being in honest but would it make any sense to say "Well, since you asked I'm obligated to tell you the truth, even though we're all about to go to Auschwitz now."
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July 24th, 2006, 03:59 PM
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I don't think so, if your cause is legitimate and one finds reasons to support or oppose it then the truth should be strong enough to forward your cause. Besides, even if there is only one lie mixed in a mountain of truth, once the lie is revealed it can automatically discredit any other information, honest or false.
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July 24th, 2006, 04:20 PM
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I think it depends on the lie. Some times you have to lie, because the truth is to hazardous shall we say.

I have lied not to benefit myself, but to protect another person.

Yes lies are deceitful, but I think there are certain circumstances where lies should be told.

However, I dont think lying to sway someone into a decision that you think is best is right.[/b]
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July 24th, 2006, 10:56 PM
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I think it depends on the lie. Some times you have to lie, because the truth is to hazardous shall we say.

I have lied not to benefit myself, but to protect another person.

Yes lies are deceitful, but I think there are certain circumstances where lies should be told.

However, I dont think lying to sway someone into a decision that you think is best is right.[/b]
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July 26th, 2006, 11:21 AM
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No!, not with important issues like those mentioned.
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July 26th, 2006, 12:13 PM
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In general, I would say no - lying doesn't help anything.

However...we lie to children about Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy and the Easter bunny...

I realize that these do not fall into the category of more serious lies, but they are lies nonetheless, and I don't feel cheated or let down to know that my parents lied about their existence - believing in imaginary beings is part of being innocent.
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July 30th, 2006, 01:51 AM
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If I had lived in 1930's Germany and the Nazis had come by looking for someone, I would of course say "No, I haven't seen them" even if they were hiding under the floorboards or in the attic. I mean, hey, I believe in being in honest but would it make any sense to say "Well, since you asked I'm obligated to tell you the truth, even though we're all about to go to Auschwitz now."[/b]
I think is exactly the time you lie...but I don't think it is to further an agenda...so I am not certain it is the kind of lie the OP is meaning... But I do say - lying in that regard is always acceptable.

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I learned that it was a lie about 2 weeks ago, when I was doing some research I ran into the same story, turns out it was kind of a Christian Urban Legend, and even now I was upset that he just flat out lied to me. But at the time that story did give me some kind of hope.[/b]
How do you know that he lied? telling you a story that I believe to be true (even if it isn't) isn't lying to you - it is simply being mistaken. I highly doubt your pastor knowing lied or tried to manipulate your beliefs, but rather was taken in by that hoax as well.

I don't think people should make those things up - or use those things to further their cause - especially when presented as the truth. In the end it always seems to do more damage than good anyway.
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July 30th, 2006, 08:37 AM
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How do you know that he lied? telling you a story that I believe to be true (even if it isn't) isn't lying to you - it is simply being mistaken. I highly doubt your pastor knowing lied or tried to manipulate your beliefs, but rather was taken in by that hoax as well.[/b]
It wasnt that he said he believed it to be true, it was that he was one of the main players in the story. And when I found the stories online, I was POd but not all that surprised because this person was manipulative. He was not mistaken he was a liar.
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